BP1960 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Wardie said: Who does he bring in though? This is a vicious circle at the moment of increasing training hours, which will have an affect until fitness levels increase, waiting for injured players to return which reduce the playing options and the players not fucking listening to the coach, which reduces the prospect of a positive outcome. I like Unsworth, I think he will be a good long-term manager and the coaching set-up appears to be pretty good for this level of football. All we need now are the players to go with it. Sadly, we have an overshadowing legacy of the previous owners, manager and player morale which going to take a lot of effort and time to shift. Oh, and probably some money, too. There's a young lad called Harry Vaughan, similar player in stature and style of play to Scunthorpe's Rob Asper who caused us no end of problems. Does anyone know why managers are reluctant to play him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 hour ago, LightDN123 said: Stobbs should never ever play for us again now. That pass for the second goal is beyond a joke. Should be dropped for life and be a brick layer or whatever he wants to do outside of football. I'm probably in a minority but I thought the Stoke defender was more culpable for that goal than Stobbs. And don't even get me started on that pissing goalkeeper... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 33 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said: I'm probably in a minority but I thought the Stoke defender was more culpable for that goal than Stobbs. And don't even get me started on that pissing goalkeeper... Getting beyond a joke now with him, there's a perfectly competent goalkeeper sat on the bench, either use him or come to an agreement and release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick26 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Lee Sinnott said: I'm probably in a minority but I thought the Stoke defender was more culpable for that goal than Stobbs. And don't even get me started on that pissing goalkeeper... Minority of one . Agree about the keeper though. Make that two @yarddog73 agrees! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 20 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Getting beyond a joke now with him, there's a perfectly competent goalkeeper sat on the bench, either use him or come to an agreement and release. He was shit when he played for us Rob, has he suddenly improved for the change of manager?, granted they are both pretty poor but I'm not having it that the keeper was at fault for anything last night, Sheron the first - Okagbue the second, saying that I suspect you probably didn't even attend. I know it's something yourself and Patrick have been pushing for sometime but our problems really don't start or end with the goalkeeper even though both will likely be gone come the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 11 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: He was shit when he played for us Rob, has he suddenly improved for the change of manager?, granted they are both pretty poor but I'm not having it that the keeper was at fault for anything last night, Sheron the first - Okagbue the second, saying that I suspect you probably didn't even attend. I know it's something yourself and Patrick have been pushing for sometime but our problems really don't start or end with the goalkeeper even though both will likely be gone come the end of the season. It's a law amongst our fan base that players become better the longer they don't play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 23 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: He was shit when he played for us Rob, has he suddenly improved for the change of manager?, granted they are both pretty poor but I'm not having it that the keeper was at fault for anything last night, Sheron the first - Okagbue the second, saying that I suspect you probably didn't even attend. I know it's something yourself and Patrick have been pushing for sometime but our problems really don't start or end with the goalkeeper even though both will likely be gone come the end of the season. People say that the keeper issue isn't our biggest problem but I completely disagree. We are letting soft goals in every single game and quite a lot of them should be saved by the goalkeeper... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, Chaddyexile84 said: It's a law amongst our fan base that players become better the longer they don't play Not for me. It's just that Magnus Norman becomes worse every time he does play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Lee Sinnott said: Not for me. It's just that Magnus Norman becomes worse every time he does play... He's better than the other fella. Certainly not our biggest problem. The second goal last night was pure comedy gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 32 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: He was shit when he played for us Rob, has he suddenly improved for the change of manager?, granted they are both pretty poor but I'm not having it that the keeper was at fault for anything last night, Sheron the first - Okagbue the second, saying that I suspect you probably didn't even attend. I know it's something yourself and Patrick have been pushing for sometime but our problems really don't start or end with the goalkeeper even though both will likely be gone come the end of the season. My fag paper maths tell me we've kept 3 clean sheets in the last 30 games or so, Looters kept 8/9 over a similar timeframe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlion Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Lags said: The second goal last night was pure comedy gold Started by a shite pass from Jacko. The first, the ball bobbled up over Sheron's foot. Maybe he was being a bit lazy/distracted ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said: People say that the keeper issue isn't our biggest problem but I completely disagree. We are letting soft goals in every single game and quite a lot of them should be saved by the goalkeeper... Nah we give the ball away in key areas, Leutwiler saves neither of those last night it is basic defensive errors killing us seasoned players like Clarke and dare I say it Gardner have been at it all season, mistakes happen but ours are schoolboy, we don't just give the ball away we provide gifts which are invariably put away, if you actually analysed our goals conceded how many of them were keeper errors? I'm happy for you to point me towards them, this notion that changing the man between the sticks will suddenly see the defence improve is almost laughable, you can't legislate for errors like those last night they were embarrassing, if we'd of had Pickford in goal he couldn't of kept them out with what he'd have in front of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 14 minutes ago, deyres42 said: My fag paper maths tell me we've kept 3 clean sheets in the last 30 games or so, Looters kept 8/9 over a similar timeframe... And let 54 goals in in 28 games.... or 54 in 20 if you take away the clean sheets. Statistics eh. Nearly 2 a game and he's the answer?, think you've forgotten just how shit he was for us. Now I'm not claiming Norman is the answer but personally I feel he is more solid particularly dealing with crosees and throw ins which seem to be the preferred tactic of National League teams, Norman for me doesn't deserve singling out but that's just my opinion, there would be at least half a dozen I'd be more interested in replacing before him from last night, it's easy to blame the keeper when a teams not performing I honestly don't think he is anywhere near our biggest problem and actually feel won us some points earlier in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: And let 54 goals in in 28 games.... or 54 in 20 if you take away the clean sheets. Statistics eh. Nearly 2 a game and he's the answer?, think you've forgotten just how shit he was for us. Now I'm not claiming Norman is the answer but personally I feel he is more solid particularly dealing with crosees and throw ins which seem to be the preferred tactic of National League teams, Norman for me doesn't deserve singling out but that's just my opinion, there would be at least half a dozen I'd be more interested in replacing before him from last night, it's easy to blame the keeper when a teams not performing I honestly don't think he is anywhere near our biggest problem and actually feel won us some points earlier in the season. And if you take out a couple of freak scorelines then his record looks different again. Unpopular opinion but we might even have stayed up if he'd played instead of dud Rogers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flemboy Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 31 minutes ago, redlion said: Started by a shite pass from Jacko. The first, the ball bobbled up over Sheron's foot. Maybe he was being a bit lazy/distracted ? That's exactly how I saw it as well. Both daft goals to give away which is getting a habit and that's why I feel opponent's forwards are up front waiting to pounce knowing the poor passing is bound to pay dividends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 4 hours ago, Dave_Og said: That was one soft penalty I'm pleased that all our players appealed for it. Last season they wouldn't have bothered.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 40 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Unpopular opinion but we might even have stayed up if he'd played instead of dud Rogers... Another Big call, I can’t be alone in thinking how much we need your acumen at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 53 minutes ago, deyres42 said: And if you take out a couple of freak scorelines then his record looks different again. Unpopular opinion but we might even have stayed up if we'd have kept Benachour and not appointed Sheridan... FTFY Robert... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said: FTFY Robert... That's bollocks - Benacheur would have just relegated us sooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Lee Sinnott said: Not for me. It's just that Magnus Norman becomes worse every time he does play... As does most of the team to be fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 hour ago, redlion said: Started by a shite pass from Jacko. The first, the ball bobbled up over Sheron's foot. Maybe he was being a bit lazy/distracted ? I saw the same with the first, I thought Sheron was pretty unlucky with it. Their 2nd goal was calamitous defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Chaddyexile84 said: That's bollocks - Benacheur would have just relegated us sooner That's just nonsense, Benachour with the backing of the Lemsagams would have us at the top of League Two (maybe even League One) if Sheridan didn't single-handedly take us down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, the_mighty_bosh said: That's just nonsense, Benachour with the backing of the Lemsagams would have us at the top of League Two (maybe even League One) if Sheridan didn't single-handedly take us down. I very, very nearly bit there Fair play my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 30 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said: FTFY Robert... You won't find me disagreeing with you there Patrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Lee Sinnott said: FTFY Robert... Weirdly I think you have a point but I’m also of the view that if we’d appointed Sheridan earlier we would have had a better chance of staying up. A Shez team doesn’t get thumped at Harrogate and doesn’t play for a 0-0 draw against both Hartlepool and Barrow. Not sure where the turning point is, think possibly around Carlisle at home. As I don’t think Selim wins at Scunny, probably another 0-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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