Matt Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Right-wing blogger Guido Fawkes e-petition demands that "the Ministry of Justice… map out the necessary legislative steps which will be required to restore the death penalty for the murder of children and police officers when killed in the line of duty..." Should we re-instate a policy that would force us to conflict with the European Convention on Human Rights and recognise a distinction between types of victim in the criminal justice system? The Daily Mail is filling it's boots; this is from a paper whose stance is that the state can't be trusted to cure sick people, however it can be trusted to execute people? Crackers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Should we re-instate a policy that would force us to conflict with the European Convention on Human Rights I have little time for the Convention, but I am absolutely against the death penalty. 1. It doesn't act as a deterrent - people who commit crime rarely expect to be caught. 2. It isn't cheaper than life in prison - death row prisoners in the USA cost significantly more than lifers. 3. Even DNA evidence isn't perfect - the risk of a mistake reamins. 4. It doesn't reduce crime. South Africa has the death penalty and a high murder rate; Scandinavian countries don't have the death penalty and have low murder rates. 5. Why let evil murdering bastards find peace by killing them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 The recidivism rate of those treated by the noose is extremely low. Re: points 3 and 5, you can go either way with them. It implies that you are subjecting the wrongly convicted to a long life of misery. I dont agree generally with giving different sentences depending on the victim for comparable crimes but i do think that there are some people who are better off offed. It takes forever in the usa because that quits the lawyers just fine. And the european problem? I have a solution for that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Death penalty is utterly disgusting... No time for it.., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 I'm against it in principle and actually fail to see what the positives of it could be. Cost saving, i doubt it, would only put lawyers on the gravy train. We would probably have to pull out of the EU first anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 I'm against it in principle and actually fail to see what the positives of it could be. Cost saving, i doubt it, would only put lawyers on the gravy train. We would probably have to pull out of the EU first anyway. Did you not just answer your own question then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza699 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 5. Why let evil murdering bastards find peace by killing them? I couldnt agree with this point more , I'd rather rip the toe nails off a paedophile and poor salt on his feet than kill them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Did you not just answer your own question then? Leaving the EU? No - I could be out of a job it that happens and as bad as it may seem, its been quite good at stopping us from being at War with each other for the last 60 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Leaving the EU? No - I could be out of a job it that happens and as bad as it may seem, its been quite good at stopping us from being at War with each other for the last 60 years. However, the point I was making was that lots of other changes would likeley have to happen first and if there is no will for that to happen, its unlikely that this will be debated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 I'd be disgusted if Britain was to reinstate the death penalty. I'm 100% against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Ritchie Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Why is the life of one worth more than that of another? Is a police officers life worth more than a securicor man (if killed in the line of duty). Or Johnny shelfstacker who gets in the way of an armed robbery? I’m not into it. But then again I’m too cool for it all: You couldn’t hang with me, even if you were wearing a noose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 This is just the Daily Hate Mail making :censored: up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Seeing as our jails are alledgedly full.....this could be a good way of making a bit of space to lock up some other numpties!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Seeing as our jails are alledgedly full.....this could be a good way of making a bit of space to lock up some other numpties!!! 800 murders in a typical year in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 800 murders in a typical year in the UK. We could always "fast-track" them to the noose/guillotene/electric chair/big brother house.....Jury of 5 Daily Mail readers, 2 from the Sun, 1 Guardian and 1 representing Nutz.....guilty every time in under 5 minutes, straight outside to be done....more space for the next lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukka Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 (edited) I have little time for the Convention, but I am absolutely against the death penalty. 1. It doesn't act as a deterrent - people who commit crime rarely expect to be caught. 2. It isn't cheaper than life in prison - death row prisoners in the USA cost significantly more than lifers. 3. Even DNA evidence isn't perfect - the risk of a mistake reamins. 4. It doesn't reduce crime. South Africa has the death penalty and a high murder rate; Scandinavian countries don't have the death penalty and have low murder rates. 5. Why let evil murdering bastards find peace by killing them? CLAP CLAP CLAP - spot on Edited August 5, 2011 by pukka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 opinions4u just managed an opinion4me +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 There are many people who have murdered who i wouldnt want to be up for it, and many who have who i would. Some idiot who takes a life in a pub fight or who stabs a partner in a domestic rage - probably not. Someone who rapes and murders kids? Either insane or dead for me. Any planned murder really, but i would also consider those who commit crime as a lifestyle choice in the face of all opportunities and punishments given. That's what an, "outlaw," is, someone whose behaviour makes them tit to be defended by the law that they have no regard for. If someone gets caught 20 times robbing grannies and is happy to take a fine or jail spell when he gets unlucky, with due process i would have no problem with stringing him up for no. 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scratch2000uk Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 I thought if e-petitions get over 100,000 signatures, MP's will discuss them in parliament?. Leave the EU?. the sooner the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 two words "Stephan Kizco " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 The bent cops who fitted him up should have been hanged for stealing the larger part of his life. That wasnt a mistake, it was a crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 I thought if e-petitions get over 100,000 signatures, MP's will discuss them in parliament?. Debate it because 0.16% of the population signed it? Why? (I hope my maths is right.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 7, 2011 Author Share Posted August 7, 2011 I thought if e-petitions get over 100,000 signatures, MP's will discuss them in parliament?. Nope. It will be considered, and even then it'll be a token gesture given a very small amount of MP's time. Restore Justice claims: In 1964 when hanging was abolished the murder rate was 6.3 per million, in 2010 it was 13.5 per million. If the “life-for-a-life” deterrent remained, thousands of lives would have been saved over the decades since 1964. If the murder rate was the same as it was in 1964, 445 fewer lives would have been taken in 2010. The death penalty was an effective deterrent, abolition has cost 445 innocent lives in the last year alone. Which is one big logical fallacy, that statement is so off-target it's laughable. http://www.restorejustice.org.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 I agree, that statistic holds no water. It's as abstract and ridiculous as claiming that the existance of the EU stopped was in europe (sorry jim!). What is needed is a sober and considered decision about what to do with the very worst criminals in our country. I didnt think so in the past but in the last few years have come around to the conclusion that killing them is a better solution than locking them up forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 I agree, that statistic holds no water. It's as abstract and ridiculous as claiming that the existance of the EU stopped was in europe (sorry jim!). What is needed is a sober and considered decision about what to do with the very worst criminals in our country. I didnt think so in the past but in the last few years have come around to the conclusion that killing them is a better solution than locking them up forever. So it has no baring whatsoever LL? The original EU was the European Steal and Coal Community and its main aim was to stop war by controlling the resources which made war, steal and coal. Considering that was it's main aim, it does seem to have been quite successful. Yes other reasons may also apply but to call my claim rediculous, well that is rediculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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