oafc1955 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 We have no money for a permanent CB having already surpassed our limit per league rules, however we have two trialists in the reserves, three if you count Rachubka, and Danny Philliskirk coming in on non contract terms. How will it be possible to sign three new players before the end of the window........I reckon Baxter will be on his way very shortly!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvlatic Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I'm sure there will be a way around it - maybe give them deals but calling it non contract' will do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midsblue Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) Apparently our budget is slashed again this season but has our income stream reduced proportionately? There's always room for strengthening... whenever we need new faces SC always comes up trumps and I'm sure he has a contingency plan when the likes of Philliskirk could demonstrate a return on investment. Same goes for defenders; we wouldn't be trialling if there's no chance for recruiting. Baxter staying or going is irrelevant within reason as he's the catalyst for our teams performance. Edited August 21, 2013 by Midsblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Apparently our budget is slashed again this season but has our income stream reduced proportionately? There's always room for strengthening... whenever we need new faces SC always comes up trumps and I'm sure he has a contingency plan when the likes of Philliskirk could demonstrate a return on investment. Same goes for defenders; we wouldn't be trialling if there's no chance for recruiting. Baxter staying or going is irrelevant within reason as he's the catalyst for our teams performance. SC can't do :censored: if we're over the League set limit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hands on Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 LJ has to keep his options open and SC has said 2or 3 players if Baxter goes so why not have a look. Also it is a transfer window so that the pool of unattached players remain available after it closes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I think the OP is going off the possibly incorrect assumption that the trialists are without a club. It seems one of them might have been playing for Italy under-20s, he should have a club already. Similar to that, I expect some of our youngsters to go on loan, which frees up space in the budget for new arrivals, like how Simpson has gone to Northwich and Rabchuka played for the ressies yesterday. Baxter could be sold, but as others have pointed out, he was available for nothing in January and he chose to stay with us. Bringing in new arrivals doesn't mean Baxter is going, nor does it mean we need to sell Baxter to afford the new arrivals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted August 21, 2013 Author Share Posted August 21, 2013 Apparently our budget is slashed again this season but has our income stream reduced proportionately? There's always room for strengthening... whenever we need new faces SC always comes up trumps and I'm sure he has a contingency plan when the likes of Philliskirk could demonstrate a return on investment. Same goes for defenders; we wouldn't be trialling if there's no chance for recruiting. Baxter staying or going is irrelevant within reason as he's the catalyst for our teams performance. I'm not sure that he is anymore.....I think we could have a stronger squad with a better chance of success if money from a Baxter sale was reinvested in the team. The system LJ prefers is best suited to two central strikers......I don't think Baxter is an out and out striker or a central midfielder. He seems to perform best just behind the striker/strikers and in order to get the best out of him we would have to change the formation. As much as I love to watch him play he produces only in flashes and for me doesn't influence the pattern of play quite enough. He is certainly not consistent enough to build a team around. He is a crowd pleaser when on song and given the room to display his talent but he blows hot and cold and is sometimes way off the pace. A part of me would be gutted if he went but I wouldn't see it as quite the disaster painted by many on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) We have no money for a permanent CB having already surpassed our limit per league rules, however we have two trialists in the reserves, three if you count Rachubka, and Danny Philliskirk coming in on non contract terms. How will it be possible to sign three new players before the end of the window........I reckon Baxter will be on his way very shortly!!! He might not sign 3. Or, a Mido style play for free thing going on. Edited August 21, 2013 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 SC can't do :censored: if we're over the League set limit... He can 'try' to get us under the limit by increasing revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 whilst nothing in football shocks, Baxter's demeanor yesterday at the stiff's didn't smack of a guy about to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 He can 'try' to get us under the limit by increasing revenue. How is this limit calculated? How can you possibly know what turnover is until the accounts are published, and then it's historical, and nothing done now can change it for this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laticacid Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Agree with 55 , he seems to cause a lot of problems fitting him into a system, only wants the no 10 role , and quite often is ineffective . Rooney n cmac should be a decent pair , with 2 wingers and a solid 2 in centre mid . Won't be end of the world if he goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) How is this limit calculated? How can you possibly know what turnover is until the accounts are published, and then it's historical, and nothing done now can change it for this season. All is explained here; http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/FLExplainedDetail/0,,10794~2748246,00.html This also from a recent Bristol City news item; The club must work within the Football League's financial fair play rules next season, which state League One clubs must limit their wage and fee bill to 60% of their turnover. Edited August 21, 2013 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Agree with 55 , he seems to cause a lot of problems fitting him into a system, only wants the no 10 role , and quite often is ineffective . Rooney n cmac should be a decent pair , with 2 wingers and a solid 2 in centre mid . Won't be end of the world if he goes. It will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KYLEOAFC Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) Is player share exempt? I.e. if player share pays the wages of the player as a separate body I am sure that's a separate calculation as it isn't part of the club financially?? I assumed this is why it was set up. Anonymous large donation time to player share mr corney lol Edited August 21, 2013 by KYLEOAFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamjonesyyoafc Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I'm not sure that he is anymore.....I think we could have a stronger squad with a better chance of success if money from a Baxter sale was reinvested in the team. The system LJ prefers is best suited to two central strikers......I don't think Baxter is an out and out striker or a central midfielder. He seems to perform best just behind the striker/strikers and in order to get the best out of him we would have to change the formation. As much as I love to watch him play he produces only in flashes and for me doesn't influence the pattern of play quite enough. He is certainly not consistent enough to build a team around. He is a crowd pleaser when on song and given the room to display his talent but he blows hot and cold and is sometimes way off the pace. A part of me would be gutted if he went but I wouldn't see it as quite the disaster painted by many on this forum. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boys in Blue Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 We re due some cash for the Preston game being on sky so maybe some extra income can be spent as & when it comes in. Eg. Player sales/loans, cup runs or additional sponsorship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Am I right in thinking the limit doesn't apply while next season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) N/t Edited August 21, 2013 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boys in Blue Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I think it was agreed for this year. Not sure how punishment would be dished out. Could be retrospective like sometimes happens in rugby league, but it would be interesting to see what happens if a team got promoted & then they found out the they were over the 60%. Am sure someone on here would have the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanGrovesFanClub Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I'm sure there will be a way around it - maybe give them deals but calling it non contract' will do it? Yes, that's got to be it. We simply call it "non contract wages" and it doesn't count for the cap. Brilliant. Problem solved...............er. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oafc1895 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Yes, that's got to be it. We simply call it "non contract wages" and it doesn't count for the cap. Brilliant. Problem solved...............er. I think that they will have that covered as every club could do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TawnyOwl Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Are we spending to accumulate? It is 60% of our annual turnover as a retrospective view, as people have already said. If we play good attacking football and win matches we will attract more fans through the turnstiles at BP. Revenue goes up and we can afford a couple more players. Calculated risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Are we spending to accumulate? It is 60% of our annual turnover as a retrospective view, as people have already said. If we play good attacking football and win matches we will attract more fans through the turnstiles at BP. Revenue goes up and we can afford a couple more players. Calculated risk. Doubt it, you have to submit monthly forecasts, so it is monitored monthly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 for info http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/resources/wsc0001.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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