Fruitygoo Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) Was just gonna agree with above...i was only makeing a point that he 'dug his own grave' by promising one thing and doing another. We have't arranged the phone in and hes accepted the chance.. not convinced thats the right decision. I dont want any tactical details personally but im a firm believer of doing as you say! Edited August 22, 2015 by Fruitygoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Was just gonna agree with above...i was only makeing a point that he 'dug his own grave' by promising one thing and doing another. We have't arranged the phone in and hes accepted the chance.. not convinced thats the right decision. I dont want any tactical details personally but im a firm believer of doing as you say! I also believe in doing as you say - but I'm not a football manager - I believe Louis Van Gaal claimed an attacking "philosophy" on taking over United - their 2 goals so far suggests otherwise - football managers always say one thing then when it comes down to it on match day a lot take the cautious approach even more so these days. The maverick approach of Royal just doesn't exist anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) Why play your best winger up front? I just do not get it. Kelly apparently watched a lot of our games last season yet he can't see that Forte is a winger and not a striker. That makes me worried. Best players in best positions. How hard is that? Playing one up front is not a problem - many a team have successfully competed like that - but replacing a hold up striker with somebody who is at his best running at defenders was never going to work. Philliskirk would be ideal as a hold up man. FORTE IS A WINGER Edited August 22, 2015 by NewBlue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 against what turned out to be very decent opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 3599 home fans this week compared to 3902 home fans last week Yes it was first home game of the season and it's Bury away next week, but we're unbeaten thus far and won our home game last week Fans didn't like what they saw against Fleetwood. Came out deflated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 A tactic which 90% of English football teams use. 90% of English football teams sing the same songs - that's :censored: too..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 3599 home fans this week compared to 3902 home fans last week Yes it was first home game of the season and it's Bury away next week, but we're unbeaten thus far and won our home game last week Fans didn't like what they saw against Fleetwood. Came out deflated. Maybe some are just pissed off with being treated like idiots, no food, no drink, paying £10 for U12's when it was a fiver last season, lied to about the stand, just a selection of moans and groans I heard at the game today. As a side note Tranmere pulled in 4800 today, think our commercial department need to get their act together. We must be one of the few Football League teams with declining home attenances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Maybe some are just pissed off with being treated like idiots, no food, no drink, paying £10 for U12's when it was a fiver last season, lied to about the stand, just a selection of moans and groans I heard at the game today. As a side note Tranmere pulled in 4800 today, think our commercial department need to get their act together. We must be one of the few Football League teams with declining home attenances. I doubt we're one of few with declining crowds. But yes, it is rubbish. Tranmere somehow managed to increase season ticket sales. As for Latics, £22 is an awful lot for what you get. I could've gone today. It was 50/50 for me on whether I would go to Latics or go to a non-league game. I chose the other option. The two things that decide how much I enjoy the day were dire last week. Atmosphere was dead, game was :censored:. I very rarely miss a home game when I'm able to attend but I had no urge to go to BP today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada_latic Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) Wondered how long that one would take... That was my main concern about this management appointment. The fact that the novice manager would be tapping into the experience of his assistant manager. Who's only tactic is one up front. I was not a fan of the Darren Kelly appointment, but I was more concerned with Dean Holden, being his number 2. Edited August 22, 2015 by Canada_latic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I doubt we're one of few with declining crowds. But yes, it is rubbish. Tranmere somehow managed to increase season ticket sales. As for Latics, £22 is an awful lot for what you get. I could've gone today. It was 50/50 for me on whether I would go to Latics or go to a non-league game. I chose the other option. The two things that decide how much I enjoy the day were dire last week. Atmosphere was dead, game was :censored:. I very rarely miss a home game when I'm able to attend but I had no urge to go to BP today. It was :censored: again today on those same 2 counts! Absolute garbage and they were the better team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) I doubt we're one of few with declining crowds. But yes, it is rubbish. Tranmere somehow managed to increase season ticket sales. As for Latics, £22 is an awful lot for what you get. Can you name another team whose home attendances have more than halved in the last ten years? And still falling. Edited August 22, 2015 by yarddog73 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 The last manager who allowed us to play with freedom was Shez since when look at our home record........we've barely managed a goal a game since and averaged barely a 30% win ratio since 2009.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddogs Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 No one will say anything negative to Kelly on the phone in same as when Corney was on after Johnson left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 It's a results business has kelly got our club a result in every game so far? Yes. Then there you go. He's doing his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) Can you name another team whose home attendances have more than halved in the last ten years? And still falling. There's not many. In fairness that's not what you said in the original post, but I see where you're coming from. Like said, it's a case of demoralising 3-sided ground, consistently depressing goalless football and a painful atmosphere At this stage you could play any sort of attacking football and the crowds wouldn't come back. The club doesn't help itself in several ways but success is the only way to bring back the lapsed. That said, no success and less than a goal a game is just going to push more fans away, as the last few years have proven. You can put positive spins on it - unbeaten and such - but end of the day we're 12th in the table and it's not exciting yet and that's not going to get fans to return. Edited August 22, 2015 by NewBlue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) Last time we played Shrewsbury at home, the crowd was smaller than yesterday. Even though admission was cheaper. We've increased season ticket sales this season compared to last season. Under 12s can get in the Family Stand for a fiver. Or have a season ticket there for £10. While some of the moans about the formation and style of play are justified, as are comparisons to John Sheridan's style of play (when the wage bill was probably far bigger than now) the above three statements are absolutes. They are real. Despite suggestions on the previous page to the contrary. If we are to criticise the club let's at least focus on facts. Edited August 23, 2015 by opinions4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 That was my main concern about this management appointment. The fact that the novice manager would be tapping into the experience of his assistant manager. Who's only tactic is one up front. I was not a fan of the Darren Kelly appointment, but I was more concerned with Dean Holden, being his number 2. DH was and still is my reservation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimeblue Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 DH was and still is my reservation. That email must've been really sweet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) That email must've been really sweet! I say it as I see it. I dont like the coaches tactics and the manager will have to change things in my view. Edited August 23, 2015 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Last time we played Shrewsbury at home, the crowd was smaller than yesterday. Even though admission was cheaper. We've increased season ticket sales this season compared to last season. Under 12s can get in the Family Stand for a fiver. Or have a season ticket there for £10. While some of the moans about the formation and style of play are justified, as are comparisons to John Sheridan's style of play (when the wage bill was probably far bigger than now) the above three statements are absolutes. They are real. Despite suggestions on the previous page to the contrary. If we are to criticise the club let's at least focus on facts. I didnt suggest them as facts, I quoted them as other peoples moans, the fact of the matter is my friend had to pay £10 for a 9 year old to watch as he likes to sit in the singing section, why should kids on one side of a barrier have to pay £10 a game or £50 a season and in the same stand with the same facilities £5 a game or £10 a season if they sit in a certain section? If you think everythings fine and dandy I'm cool with that but on the ground in the RRE its far from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Hold on, the manager was the one making the promises not the fans! Promises? He was asked what style of play we could expect from him and answered the question. Would you rather he'd said "I'm not saying because if it doesn't come off, or I have to change it due to injuries etc.. I'll get slated"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 The last manager who allowed us to play with freedom was Shez since when look at our home record........we've barely managed a goal a game since and averaged barely a 30% win ratio since 2009.... I took my nephew yesterday. His first game was when we beat Hereford 4-0 under Shez. 4-0 at home seemed no big deal back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukka Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I took my nephew yesterday. His first game was when we beat Hereford 4-0 under Shez. 4-0 at home seemed no big deal back then. Can you believe over two games that year, we still lost against them!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_latics Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 If Dunn plays, it has to be one up top, or a diamond. He hasn't got the legs to play as the central 2 in a 4-4-2. I don't think 4-2-3-1 is a bad shape for us, but we were full of square pegs yesterday. Croft and Jones as "wingers" isn't attacking. They'll work hard, and protect the full backs, but going forward is very meh. Jones is wasted there, especially when we have potentially the best left winger in the league trying to run the line up top on his own. DK got it wrong today, and his substitutions weren't fab. Forte was shagged, there's no way he should have played the full 90, and Dunn should have been off 10 minutes earlier. Dieng did well though, would be happy with a back four of Dieng Wilson Burn Mills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 If Dunn plays, it has to be one up top, or a diamond. He hasn't got the legs to play as the central 2 in a 4-4-2. I don't think 4-2-3-1 is a bad shape for us, but we were full of square pegs yesterday. Croft and Jones as "wingers" isn't attacking. They'll work hard, and protect the full backs, but going forward is very meh. Jones is wasted there, especially when we have potentially the best left winger in the league trying to run the line up top on his own. DK got it wrong today, and his substitutions weren't fab. Forte was shagged, there's no way he should have played the full 90, and Dunn should have been off 10 minutes earlier. Dieng did well though, would be happy with a back four of Dieng Wilson Burn Mills. I don't mind Dunn as the central one in the 3 of the 4-2-3-1, but the other two have to run their bollocks off - rather have Croft with Forte than Jones - Jones and Kelly as the 2 deeper mids could be quite good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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