josh_latics Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 You are right though, both are better than any keeper we've had since, apart from IMHO Oxley, who wasn't ours. Strange, I thought Oxley was cack. We've had a procession of young keepers, Cisak, Bouz, Oxley, Coleman. Rachubka was older, and was much calmer, and much more assured, and kept a lot more clean sheets. He wasn't perfect, but his organisation was very underrated, and that comes with experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 How much distance do keepers cover in the penalty area during a game? Goalkeeping coach Anthony White reveals in the Chron, but I'm not convinced. http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/10/oldham-athletic-news/96399/the-futures-in-safe-hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC0AFC Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 4 mile? I'm not buying that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nonaenever Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 A 24 year old - hmmmm. I believe if you are good enough - you are old enough BUT do our goalkeepers' performances (and general levels of players' fitness at times) suggest that we are benefitting from this 'specialist role' with its (yet more) American theories? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOAFC Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Perhaps this is the reason for our keepers being so dodgy from crosses/corners - 'Goalkeepers now cover around four miles in the penalty area over the course of a game, and handling the ball is decreasing as work with the feet increases. Goalkeepers must cover balls angled in from all areas of the field' Teach them the basics first and then move onto other stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Bull:censored: baffles brains comes to mind, no doubt the keepers are well drilled but neither are streetwise for me and are not going to pick up many tips from a man who learnt to keep in a classroom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Bull:censored: baffles brains comes to mind, no doubt the keepers are well drilled but neither are streetwise for me and are not going to pick up many tips from a man who learnt to keep in a classroom. He didn't learn to be a keeper in the classroom. It's a lazy myth that a coach needs to have played the game to a particular level to be able to coach effectively. They're two completely different jobs. For instance, Petr Cech's coach (who you presume would know a thing or two) was never a professional & stopped playing at any level when he was 24 to coach instead. ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3387031/Petr-Cech-tells-former-coach-Christophe-Lollichon-s-use-small-balls-coloured-cards-ping-pong-robot-helped-Arsenal-keeper-No-1.html ) One of the current top goalkeeper coaches in England (both club & nationally) never played for a team above the level of Gateshead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 How much distance do keepers cover in the penalty area during a game? Goalkeeping coach Anthony White reveals in the Chron, but I'm not convinced. http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/10/oldham-athletic-news/96399/the-futures-in-safe-hands http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18997646 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18997646 That seems to equate to 3.5 miles and walking for 73% of the match. Edited January 28, 2016 by Diego_Sideburns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 That seems to equate to 3.5 miles. The upper tolerance took it to around 4 didn't it but even 3.5 is probably more than you'd expect & it may have gone up since then (especially since keepers like Lloris have joined the division) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I think that will be connected to their performance and attitude off the pitch, rather than on it. I know a member of the staff making that decision wanted one to stay but he was presumably out-voted by more senior members of the team. You are right though, both are better than any keeper we've had since, apart from IMHO Oxley, who wasn't ours. Both were better than Oxley an' all. For my money, Cisak was the better keeper with a crappy attitude. Bouzanis was decent at this level but not as good but had his head on better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 He didn't learn to be a keeper in the classroom. It's a lazy myth that a coach needs to have played the game to a particular level to be able to coach effectively. They're two completely different jobs. For instance, Petr Cech's coach (who you presume would know a thing or two) was never a professional & stopped playing at any level when he was 24 to coach instead. ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3387031/Petr-Cech-tells-former-coach-Christophe-Lollichon-s-use-small-balls-coloured-cards-ping-pong-robot-helped-Arsenal-keeper-No-1.html ) One of the current top goalkeeper coaches in England (both club & nationally) never played for a team above the level of Gateshead. I know an ex-Gateshead goalkeeper. He's a school caretaker now though, not coaching the likes of Petr Cech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 He didn't learn to be a keeper in the classroom. It's a lazy myth that a coach needs to have played the game to a particular level to be able to coach effectively. They're two completely different jobs. For instance, Petr Cech's coach (who you presume would know a thing or two) was never a professional & stopped playing at any level when he was 24 to coach instead. ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3387031/Petr-Cech-tells-former-coach-Christophe-Lollichon-s-use-small-balls-coloured-cards-ping-pong-robot-helped-Arsenal-keeper-No-1.html ) One of the current top goalkeeper coaches in England (both club & nationally) never played for a team above the level of Gateshead. You love coaches and coaching don't you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 You love coaches and coaching don't you and cones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusunga_Is_God Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Both were better than Oxley an' all. For my money, Cisak was the better keeper with a crappy attitude. Bouzanis was decent at this level but not as good but had his head on better. Not when Bouzanis would run the length of the pitch to celebrate every time we scored, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_blue Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 How much distance do keepers cover in the penalty area during a game? Goalkeeping coach Anthony White reveals in the Chron, but I'm not convinced. http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/10/oldham-athletic-news/96399/the-futures-in-safe-hands No chance!!!! Some of our outfield players don't do that much ha ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) That seems to equate to 3.5 miles and walking for 73% of the match. Does that include the substantial yardage picking the ball from the back of the net? Edited January 28, 2016 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Perhaps this is the reason for our keepers being so dodgy from crosses/corners - 'Goalkeepers now cover around four miles in the penalty area over the course of a game, and handling the ball is decreasing as work with the feet increases. Goalkeepers must cover balls angled in from all areas of the field' Teach them the basics first and then move onto other stuff. No wonder they keep dropping the ball, it must be a shock when a cross comes in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOAFC Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 There's no way Cornell covers 4 miles a game. He doesn't move off the line! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18997646 I wonder if, knowing they were hooked up and being measure, each player decided to go walkabout/get into oppositon box for corners and the last 10 mins much more.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Latics striker SatNav instructions.."You are now approaching the corridor of uncertainty, please reverse down blind alley". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nonaenever Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 One of the current top goalkeeper coaches in England (both club & nationally) never played for a team above the level of Gateshead. Well - that doesn't say a lot for goalkeeping coaches then. In the past, English keepers were renowned for being the best in the world (or always amongst the best) - you can't say that for any England keeper for a long time now - conclusion - modern coaches have led to a decline in England's national keepers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC0AFC Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Errrrrr Joe Hart, Jack Butland - two outstanding keepers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyt84 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Compare modern keepers to average keepers in the 80s and early 90s. Modern keepers are poor in my opinion especially when dealing with crosses. As a kid watching Hallworth and Gerrard you knew that most crosses in the box now would be caught but now keepers either stay on the line or punch crosses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 No chance!!!! Some of our outfield players don't do that much ha ha! Obviously the keeper moves around the penalty area in all directions. As an example of distance covered, from the goal line to the edge of the penalty area is 18yds. If a keeper went to the edge of that area and back 49 times during a match he would cover one mile. To cover nearly 4 miles, as stated by the goalkeeping coach, he would be traveling effectively there and back over 190 times in 90 minutes. Even Latics players haven't passed the ball back to the keeper that many times in a match this season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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