palmer1 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Simon Corney has spoken previously about how we at Oldham like to give young managers a chance. Some say it's the cheap option +it obviously is) He seems set on this approach as his last 4 managers (plus one temporary for more than a few games) have never managed before but how successful has this approach been in the last few years? Paul Dickov (sacked) currently out of work Lee Johnson (sold) currently sit below Oldham Darren Kelly (sacked after 6 games & recently sacked by Halifax Dean Holden still here helping to over see the :censored:e presented for the last 12 months Prior to this this we had John Sheridan (now at Newport) Arguably the most successful manager under Corney. But Owen helped put pay to this by helping signing Hughes & things eventually went to the dogs! Owen struck again during Johnson's reign with you know who. We had experience managers in Talbot & Penny both of whom are no longer working in league management. What have any of them produced for Oldham? Not one of them have gone on to better things. Shez had a trip to Wembley & a league 2 promotion but never stepped up a level David Dunn (interim boss, got the job full time on the back of 0 wins) He doesn't talk a good game, he doesn't set up to entertain, we don't score goals, we hardly create chances. Is he going to turn it round? After 12 games I can't see it at all not on his own.. Every one of those managers also had an inexperienced assistant. Dunn has 2, No old heads to offer advice,Could this be the answer? No point in sacking Dunn for another player looking to get a job just as they retire... We have had experience managers in Talbot & Penny both of whom are no longer working in league management. Experience doesnt guraentee success but you have to give yourself the best chance. Something within the recruitment process has to change & very soon & ffs leave Barry out of it & away from parole hearings! Edited November 25, 2015 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Maybe the UEFA criteria should include demonstration of practical skills, maybe at non-league level. Edited November 25, 2015 by Dave_Og Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Maybe the UEFA criteria should include demonstration of practical skills, maybe at non-league level. I'm pretty sure it does. Hence why we had Frank sinclair here for a time. In fact, theres a thought..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted November 25, 2015 Author Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) He still coaches our u16s I think.... Edited November 25, 2015 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Looking through the managers in the top two divisons, only 12 of the 44 started out in League One (or equivalent) and below. Excluding the dinosaurs who have worked their way up a long while back (Allardyce, Pardew, Pulis) and the caretaker (Warnock) leaves 8. Martinez, Grayson, Jackett, Evans, Cotterill and Lambert all got into the Championship by winning promotion from League One. Which leaves only Rowett and Slade as managers in the top flight who have secured 'better jobs' in a higher division. And only Rowett as a novice manager who would have met Corney's selection criteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Looking through the managers in the top two divisons, only 12 of the 44 started out in League One (or equivalent) and below. Excluding the dinosaurs who have worked their way up a long while back (Allardyce, Pardew, Pulis) and the caretaker (Warnock) leaves 8. Martinez, Grayson, Jackett, Evans, Cotterill and Lambert all got into the Championship by winning promotion from League One. Which leaves only Rowett and Slade as managers in the top flight who have secured 'better jobs' in a higher division. And only Rowett as a novice manager who would have met Corney's selection criteria. Interesting analysis. Clearly there is no template for a manager. But there has to be one for doing a better job than we have! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scapegoat Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 In recent years Dowie (albeit funded heavily compared to others in the post) is probably another of our successful managers. Started off with an experienced hand nearby as assistant to Wadsworth. Made the point on another thread - I could live with DD as an appointment if we put an experienced hand beside him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 In recent years Dowie (albeit funded heavily compared to others in the post) is probably another of our successful managers. Started off with an experienced hand nearby as assistant to Wadsworth. Made the point on another thread - I could live with DD as an appointment if we put an experienced hand beside him. I seem to remember Dowie brought in some physically strong players, is that the answer in this division? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted November 25, 2015 Author Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) I seem to remember Dowie brought in some physically strong players, is that the answer in this division? We seem to be physically dominated quite often so it couldnt hurt. Many of the oppo dwarf our players & I think its the main reason not many of our youngsters are progressing, they are all tiny. Edited November 25, 2015 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I seem to remember Dowie brought in some physically strong players, is that the answer in this division? I'm sure Joe Royle said a few years ago that the way to get out of this division was to fill your team with big lads who have some pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I'm sure Joe Royle said a few years ago that the way to get out of this division was to fill your team with big lads who have some pace. He also said Ryan Brooke was the best natural finisher we had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted November 25, 2015 Author Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) He probably was then... Brooke was in superb pre season form & was on course to start the season as first choice striker until that :censored: Preston keeper played the man instead of the ball breaking Brookes leg. He never recovered... Edited November 25, 2015 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 He probably was then... Brooke was in superb pre season form & was on course to start the season as first choice striker until that :censored: Preston keeper played the man instead of the ball breaking Brookes leg. He never recovered... He scored 2 for high flying Curzon Ashton last match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 He scored 2 for high flying Curzon Ashton last match. Watched him this season and he is playing well albeit in level 6 football, still has an eye for goal and could play at an higher level in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 No point in sacking Dunn for another player looking to get a job just as they retire... There is if you consider that none of the other retiring players have been as bad as Dunn has so far...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 You wouldn't want to come here as a rookie manager, fanbase expects you to have all the answers from the moment you walk in the door... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 You wouldn't want to come here as a rookie manager, fanbase expects you to have all the answers from the moment you walk in the door... Really? Dickov and Johnson ultimately did nothing in their first seasons (or beyond) and had plenty of teething problems - the difference was (even though it didn't work straight away, if ever) we could see what they were trying to do, liked it & bought into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry1203 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Justin Edinborough, JF Hasselbaink, Karl Robinson. All relatively new to management and have proved a success. Difference is, they are all backed with a bigger budget. Not defending Dunn as I think he can do better with these players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Really? Dickov and Johnson ultimately did nothing in their first seasons (or beyond) and had plenty of teething problems - the difference was (even though it didn't work straight away, if ever) we could see what they were trying to do, liked it & bought into it. I was being cheeky but I think they benefitted somewhat from starting with low expectations, Dunn hasn't had that luxury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I was being cheeky but I think they benefitted somewhat from starting with low expectations, Dunn hasn't had that luxury. I don't think there's been high expectations of Dunn. Stop playing insipid football and win a home game or two. It's hardly a tall order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I don't think there's been high expectations of Dunn. Stop playing insipid football and win a home game or two. It's hardly a tall order. I mean in terms of people thinking the squad is much better than the results show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 In recent years Dowie (albeit funded heavily compared to others in the post) is probably another of our successful managers. Started off with an experienced hand nearby as assistant to Wadsworth. Made the point on another thread - I could live with DD as an appointment if we put an experienced hand beside him. Why can't we just have an experienced hand full stop! Why employ two to do the same job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Our three most successful post war managers were rookies. Different times but it's the man not necessarily the experience I believe. Hardwick, Frizzell, Royle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I'm pretty sure it does. Hence why we had Frank sinclair here for a time. In fact, theres a thought..... Struggle to see how players who go straight into management can have done meaningful coaching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted November 25, 2015 Author Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Our three most successful post war managers were rookies. Different times but it's the man not necessarily the experience I believe. Hardwick, Frizzell, Royle Again absolutely right... Maybe it's the fact that none of those had to take a football by numbers course to earn a little badge that allows them all to play the same formation. All 3 of those mentioned had their own ideas based off their own experiences. Edited November 25, 2015 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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