opinions4u Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Diane Abbott. Awful! Rudd. Poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frizzell54 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 As ever we are left deciding the least worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, kowenicki said: The last two big Jezza interviews with Peston and Nield should be compulsory viewing. Awful. Truly terrible. He's all over the place. On defence, domestic and international, he is a disaster. I guess you didnt see Nield interview Mrs Mayhem then! That was a car crash of an interview. Lets see both together on Monday night with Paxman-Jeremy will absolutely crush her-if Mrs Mayhem doesnt do another Uturn and bottle out! Edited May 28, 2017 by ChaddySmoker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 12 minutes ago, opinions4u said: Diane Abbott. Awful! Rudd. Poor. The Election was supposed to be about Brexit until Mrs Mayhem showed that she wasnt very stable at all. Now after Mancs it seems it is to be 'all about Security' and the Tories cannot seem to even win that argument despite it being Labours weak point. Could next week the press decide that the election become about any of the other aspects of Government --------------> We dont mind which-just choose any! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 38 minutes ago, kowenicki said: The last two big Jezza interviews with Peston and Nield should be compulsory viewing. Awful. Truly terrible. He's all over the place. On defence, domestic and international, he is a disaster. Bit like the polls at the minute then. All over the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 3 hours ago, frizzell54 said: As ever we are left deciding the least worse. It's like picking an oafc man of the match in the first half of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, nzlatic said: It's like picking an oafc man of the match in the first half of the season. Nah, there were always two class acts to choose from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 5 hours ago, ChaddySmoker said: I guess you didnt see Nield interview Mrs Mayhem then! That was a car crash of an interview. Lets see both together on Monday night with Paxman-Jeremy will absolutely crush her-if Mrs Mayhem doesnt do another Uturn and bottle out! I did actually. Not great but a million miles better than that intellectual lightweight. Jeremy will crush May? I seriously doubt that. He will do well in many viewers eyes though because he will portray utopia of giveaway policies.... that anyone with a brain and the IFS say is a fantasy. And please font don't talk about u turns like they are unique, Jez the trot has has done more than anyone, ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frizzell54 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 45 minutes ago, kowenicki said: I did actually. Not great but a million miles better than that intellectual lightweight. Jeremy will crush May? I seriously doubt that. He will do well in many viewers eyes though because he will portray utopia of giveaway policies.... that anyone with a brain and the IFS say is a fantasy. Alexander Fraser Tytler (1747-1813), ‘A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by dictatorship’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeroyboy Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Journalists and even some electorate running rings round politicians are usually supported by hindsight on decisions/policies backfiring. Perhaps they should be running the country. Someone never making a wrong decision doesn't exist. Someone who refuses to ever change tack or execute a u-turn is a liability - especially a politician. It's getting policy wrong that stuffs every government eventually. Off course history tells us it is usual to have a credible alternative to step into the breach. That's only one of the things the silent majority will be considering on polling day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 1 hour ago, mikeroyboy said: Journalists and even some electorate running rings round politicians are usually supported by hindsight on decisions/policies backfiring. Perhaps they should be running the country. Someone never making a wrong decision doesn't exist. Someone who refuses to ever change tack or execute a u-turn is a liability - especially a politician. It's getting policy wrong that stuffs every government eventually. Off course history tells us it is usual to have a credible alternative to step into the breach. That's only one of the things the silent majority will be considering on polling day. Agreed. And to add. U turning on policy is one thing, it's sensible politics in my view. U turning on deeply held beliefs...? I just can't trust that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, kowenicki said: I did actually. Not great but a million miles better than that intellectual lightweight. Jeremy will crush May? I seriously doubt that. He will do well in many viewers eyes though because he will portray utopia of giveaway policies.... that anyone with a brain and the IFS say is a fantasy. And please font don't talk about u turns like they are unique, Jez the trot has has done more than anyone, ever. Not great, thats like saying Rekord is not quite a really very good footballer. The Tory campaign is being relaunched-why? Because the election was to be about personality until it was realised that the lady in flat shoes doesnt have one. I hear that Boris is being moved centre stage. Oh thanks so very much for that! We didnt actually expect any more own goals. Edited May 28, 2017 by ChaddySmoker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ChaddySmoker said: Not great, thats like saying Rekord is not quite a really very good footballer. The Tory campaign is being relaunched-why? Because the election was to be about personality until it was realised that the lady in flat shoes doesnt have one. I hear that Boris is being moved centre stage. Oh thanks so very much for that! We didnt actually expect any more own goals. About personality? Not for me. About integrity and sticking to beliefs and what you think is right on the big picture. Not just saying any old uncosted populist shit to get elected. Just write eveyone a cheque for a couple of grand and have done with it. Edited May 28, 2017 by kowenicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 10 hours ago, kowenicki said: About personality? Not for me. About integrity and sticking to beliefs and what you think is right on the big picture. Not just saying any old uncosted populist shit to get elected. -------------------------------uncosted really? Integrity my ! By 10pm tonight there will be a clear difference-if she actually turns up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 39 minutes ago, ChaddySmoker said: Integrity my ! By 10pm tonight there will be a clear difference-if she actually turns up! Yes. Uncosted and naive. One example being corporation tax. They will not get more revenue by increasing corporation tax. No chance. They will probably get less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Chaddy. As a socialist you will obviously watch tonight and think, whatever happens or is said, that Corbyn wins the debate. You are pre wired to think that. You can't be objective. But don't think that because you believe that everyone else does. The left really do struggle to grasp this simple idea that people can see things differently and they have no monopoly on being correct. I guess all extremists are like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 1 hour ago, kowenicki said: Chaddy. As a socialist you will obviously watch tonight and think, whatever happens or is said, that Corbyn wins the debate. You are pre wired to think that. You can't be objective. But don't think that because you believe that everyone else does. The left really do struggle to grasp this simple idea that people can see things differently and they have no monopoly on being correct. I guess all extremists are like this So let me get this right. Since I am a socialist and a left winger that makes me an extremist???????? FFS and you accuse me of being biased and narrow minded. Corbyn cannot win the debate. Why? Because weak and wobbly Mrs Mayhem refuses to engage in anything resembling a debate. Is she going to try the same approach on Brexit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 26 minutes ago, ChaddySmoker said: So let me get this right. Since I am a socialist and a left winger that makes me an extremist???????? FFS and you accuse me of being biased and narrow minded. Corbyn cannot win the debate. Why? Because weak and wobbly Mrs Mayhem refuses to engage in anything resembling a debate. Is she going to try the same approach on Brexit? But you are biased and narrow minded... by definition as you are a socialist. Its not an insult unless you want to take it as such. That may not be extreme but it is an intransigent mindset. If you can't accept that then that's fine. Hypocritical though. Corbyn in a Brexit negotiation would be weak, he'd simply give in. He is a unilateralist after all. He has wanted to be out of Europe his entire political life (until a few weeks ago... integrity!). He has no experience, no gravitas and little education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 1 hour ago, ChaddySmoker said: So let me get this right. Since I am a socialist and a left winger that makes me an extremist???????? FFS and you accuse me of being biased and narrow minded. Corbyn cannot win the debate. Why? Because weak and wobbly Mrs Mayhem refuses to engage in anything resembling a debate. Is she going to try the same approach on Brexit? Just out of interest why ididnt Corbyn take part in the leaders debate with the 5 other parties last week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 24 minutes ago, Magister said: Just out of interest why ididnt Corbyn take part in the leaders debate with the 5 other parties last week? Cos May didn't. Like I said weak. Everyone knows a current PM has everything to lose in an election debate. Corbyn should have turned up and got stuck in, but in a debate with his peers he is poor. Left to speak to a journalist a bit better (due to their sympathy for his stance, most media journalists are left if centre), left to speak to joe public better still because they believe his lies and fantasies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 1 hour ago, kowenicki said: But you are biased and narrow minded... by definition as you are a socialist. Its not an insult unless you want to take it as such. That may not be extreme but it is an intransigent mindset. If you can't accept that then that's fine. Hypocritical though. FFS Do you really believe this shite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 24 minutes ago, ChaddySmoker said: FFS Do you really believe this shite? You are obviously voting labour this time yes? I wonder who you voted for in 1997, 2001 and 2005? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 8:38 AM, opinions4u said: I think attacks in places like Sweden, Germany and even France undermine Corbyn's arguments around "be nice to them and they won't attack us". He is consistent in his views. But I really can't see his pacifist tendencies being a good thing should it ever come to needing to push the button. Meanwhile the woman likely to be in charge with sorting out Brexit can't even sort out her own manifesto for an election which looked unloseable. I don't think it's at all accurate to describe Corbyn as a pacifist. He is outside the mainstream debate about the use of violence but he isn't against it per se. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 19 minutes ago, leeslover said: I don't think it's at all accurate to describe Corbyn as a pacifist. He is outside the mainstream debate about the use of violence but he isn't against it per se. He says he isn't because it's a very unpopular stance... but he is. This sums it up reasonably well. Good take on him being absolutely right about absolutely everything ever too. The man is so pious and pompous. I have no idea why the working man could ever relate to such an elitist. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/daily-catch-up-jeremy-corbyn-not-sure-if-hes-a-pacifist-but-never-wrong-a6753961.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 29 minutes ago, leeslover said: I don't think it's at all accurate to describe Corbyn as a pacifist. He is outside the mainstream debate about the use of violence but he isn't against it per se. Thats why I said "pacifist tendencies". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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