Stevie_J Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) It's that time again folks! Two weeks to the start of the prediction league season and @lookersstandandy has done a great job of the build-up to the new campaign. For anyone who's played before, it's pretty much the same format as last season - the number of players will dictate how many divisions there are - potentially three for the first time. Entry is £10 for the season, to be paid via PayPal to stevie_j@owtb.co.uk (note the underscore - may be best to copy and paste the address and please leave your OWTB username in the PayPal message box) or PM me for account details for BACS transfer. Entry fees must be paid by kick-off of the first game of the season. Half of the fees will be used as a prize fund, and the remainder will go to PlayerShare/charity. The league will be split into divisions (a Premier League, based on last season's league positions and relegations/promotions), and the exact set up of rest will depend on the number of players who sign up, with places determined based on the following (in order of priority): position in last season's league; new players, on a first come, first served basis. Prizes will be the same in each division, i.e. the prize for winning the Premier League will be the same as the prize for winning Championship, that way everyone has the opportunity to pick up the same prize regardless of the division they are in. At end of this season there will be promotions, relegations and playoffs, as there was last season (the exact set up of which I'll confirm when we know the number of entrants). The Cup competition will run again too, with a similar set up to last season. As in previous seasons, there will be a thread for each Latics league fixture in the Prediction League forum. Players must post their predictions for the relevant fixture in the corresponding thread. I will post a list of signed-up players in a thread in the prediction league forum ( All of Latics' league games (but not cup games) will count in the Prediction League competition. The League I'll confirm the exact format as soon as possible after we know how many players we should have at least two divisions, possibly three. At the end of the season, the bottom three players in the Premier League will be relegated to the Championship. The top two players in the Championship will be promoted to the Premier League. The players finishing 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th in the Championship will playoff for the final promotion spot. The Playoffs The playoffs will work as follows: Players will be matched with the teams finishing in the same position as them in League Two. For example, if Notts County finish fourth in League Two and Plymouth finish seventh, then the players finishing third and sixth in the Prediction League Championship will playoff against each other over two legs by predicting the outcome of the Notts County v Plymouth playoff semi-final fixtures. The same will apply to fifth and sixth League Two teams, which will correspond to the four and fifth Prediction League players. The first leg predictions will be posted in a dedicated thread as usual. Second leg predictions will be sent to me by PM and I will post them hidden and display them after kick-off (otherwise the leader from the first leg could mimic their opponent's second leg predictions to guarantee a win). The winning players will then play off in a final, by predicting the outcome of the League Two playoff final, the winner of which will be promoted to the Premier League. Predictions for all playoff fixtures are for the 90 mins, not extra time or penalties. In the event that Latics make the playoffs, ALL players in the playoff positions will predict Latics's playoff semi-final games and not the other semi final. The final will be based on predictions for the playoff final, regardless of whether Latics make the final. For all playoff games involving Latics, first scorer prediction will be Latics first scorer (same as regular predictions). Where predicting on games not involving Latics, first scorer predictions will be for the first scorer of the game, regardless of the team. In the event of a draw in the final, the winner will be determined by the closest attendance prediction, then by total points scored in the playoffs, then by previous attendance predictions if still level. The Cup The prediction league will include a cup competition, starting in the new year. The exact format of the cup will be confirmed, once we have established the number of players, but the competition will start with a group stage, followed by a knockout stage, through to a final. Players will be drawn against each other and their scores for a particular fixture will dictate which player wins. In the event of a draw in the knockout games, there will be a replay. In the event of another draw, the predictor with the closest attendance prediction in the replay will progress. In the very unlikely event that they remain tied, we will draw lots. Prizes and Donations The total fees will be distributed as follows: Half to be used as a prize fund to be divided (based on having two divisions - TBC): 25% to the Premier League winner; 12.5% to the Premier League runner up; 25% to the Championship League winner; 12.5% to the Championship League runner-up; and 25% to the cup winner. Up until now the other half of the pot has always been split between Playershare and Dr Kershaw's Hospice. Towards the end of last season though, I was becoming concerned that we were not going to be able to pay the bills to keep this site live and I was faced with the prospect of having to dig into my own pockets again, just to keep it going until the end of the prediction league season, as I was wholly uncomfortable with holding prize money and not seeing it through. Anyway, I reluctantly took the decision that this season I would have to put the other half towards OWTB running costs and I appreciate and respect that may put some people off playing. Given the news this week, I'm going to change my mind again and split the pot, half to OWTB and the other half to the Roy Castle Lung Cancer Foundation, in memory of @opinions4u. Should anyone who has already entered wish to withdraw on the back of the the above change, just drop me a note and it'll be done, no questions asked. Predictions Players must predict the half-time score; the full-time score; first Latics goalscorer and the match attendance. e.g. Bury 0-1 Latics (HT 0-0) - Baxter - 3,331 Please keep the predictions in this format - it makes Bristolatic's life a lot easier when working on the league tables. Predictions must be submitted by 10 minutes before the stated kick-off time (for example, if a given fixture is schedule to kick off at 15:00 then a prediction with a time stamp of 14:51 or later on the day on the game will not count); this is because games do occasionally kick-off slightly early. Predictions can also be edited up until the same point. Any prediction edited after that will not count. Predictions must be posted in the correct thread - it sounds simple but people do occasionally get it wrong. In the event that a player posts more than one prediction for the same fixture, the first submitted prediction will be taken as that player's entry - it's worth keeping this in mind when fixtures are rearranged after a postponement! For the avoidance of doubt, players cannot predict Latics to score in their result prediction and 'no scorer' in their scorer prediction for the same fixture. Similarly, players cannot predict that Latics will not score and name a first scorer. Nor can players predict a half-time score which does not align with the full time score (e.g. Latics to be 1-0 up at half-time and Latics to lose 1-0). Each full prediction should be a possible outcome of the match. Any predictions submitted which are contrary to this rule will not be counted. Partial predictions are counted, insofar as they are complete, so long as they are a possible outcome of the game (no hedgebetting, as covered elsewhere in the rules). So if you forget to include a half-time score prediction, you can obviously not score any points for the HT score but you can still score points for the remainder of your prediction Scoring Scoring works as follows: Correct result (i.e. W,L or D) +2pts Correct no. of goals for Latics +1pt; Correct no. of goals for opposition +1pt; Correct full-time score +2pts; Correct half-time score +2pts; First scorer +3pts; Within 100 of attendance +3pts; Within 10 of attendance +5pts; Exact attendance +20pts; No 'first goalscorer' points will be awarded if there is no goalscorer (even if you predict no goalscorer). If the first Latics goal is awarded as an own goal, the first Latics goalscorer prediction will rollover to the next Latics goal in the game (if Latics score another goal). If you believe that there has been an error in scoring up predictions, please PM Bristolatic and/or me, rather than posting on the forums where it may be missed, and we will look into it. Please sign up, if you have a spare tenner. The more players we have, the more interesting it gets in terms of prizes, a cup competition, etc., it helps with OWTB running costs and the more opinions4u's chosen charity stands to benefit. Any problems/questions, give me a shout here, by PM or email. Cheers. Massive thanks as always to @Bristolatic for the substantial effort he puts into this. He does the lion's share of the work, producing the league tables, without which it just wouldn't work. ----- Edit 06/08/18: 57 players = £570 Prize pot (50%) = £285 Donation to Roy Castle Lung Cancer Foundation (25%) = £142.50 Donation to OWTB running costs (25%) = £142.50 Prize allocation: Premier League Winner: £52.50 Premier League Runner-up: £25.00 Championship Winner: £52.50 Championship Runner-up: £25.00 League One Winner: £52.50 League One Runner-up: £25.00 Cup Winner: £52.50 Edited August 6, 2018 by Stevie_J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) If we can get the same numbers or more as last season, there will be three divisions, lining up something like this: Premier League a259 astottie DavidCollinge disjointed Ex_pat GravityGrave Hometownclub JoeP jorvik_latic lookersstandandy milnrow latics nzlatic oafcmetty rosa rudemedic SAV singe stevesidg Championship aidan_latics Ak’s Benja BP1960 Bristolatic JohnnyPimp josh_latics Latics_Fanatic LaticsPete @NewBlue Oafc1895 pjkent @Stainrod Stevie_J @underdog @yarddog73 League One @ajw65 @dave_ragg1984 GlossopLatic Handsy HarryBosch @LaticsChris Lawman @LightDN123 @LT_SMASH @MAC0AFC @RobOAFC Runningman @Scapegoat @simplythemostimportantkick @warwickshire latics youngen Each division will be adjusted to account for players who don't re-enter (moving other players up based on last season's league position). New players will be added to the bottom division; we already have daniel, dannyboy5555, Dave_Og, Macca, Maximus1267, Kusunga_Is_God, al_bro, mcfluff1985, maddog, Mick26, oafcprozac, L1onheartNew, Nohairdontcare, Latics and England, Lee Sinnott, south east latic and Ryan. The Championship and League One divisions will be evenly spread by number of players. Those in bold and not @'ed are paid-up and confirmed players. Edited August 3, 2018 by Stevie_J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 astottie needs a wake up call so I can complete the Premier League spreadsheets. If I knew how to do this @ thingy in blue, I'd look so much more professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorvik_latic Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 @Bristolatic Just type @ and start typing their username - it'll come up to select. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 2 hours ago, jorvik_latic said: @Bristolatic Just type @ and start typing their username - it'll come up to select. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorvik_latic Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Stevie_J said: Cheeky sod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 4 hours ago, jorvik_latic said: @Bristolatic Just type @ and start typing their username - it'll come up to select. Cheers @jorvik_latic I don't know why I didn't think of that. See, Steve's right. Us oldies need all the help we can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 With astottie confirmed, the Premier League line-up is now confirmed for the new season. Quite a few regulars still to confirm. Nice to see a few new faces and a few returning after a sabbatical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 On 31/07/2018 at 10:27 PM, Stevie_J said: With astottie confirmed, the Premier League line-up is now confirmed for the new season. Quite a few regulars still to confirm. Nice to see a few new faces and a few returning after a sabbatical. Still no sign of Cheats-R-Us, then, aka 24hrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidan_latics Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 On 20/07/2018 at 5:39 PM, Stevie_J said: The Playoffs The playoffs will work as follows: Players will be matched with the teams finishing in the same position as them in League Two. For example, if Notts County finish third in League Two and Plymouth finish sixth, then the players finishing third and sixth in the Prediction League Championship will playoff against each other over two legs by predicting the outcome of the Notts County v Plymouth playoff semi-final fixtures. The same will apply to fourth and fifth positions for the corresponding League Two teams/ Prediction League players. Just an observation, but I'd imagine the playoff format will need to be tweaked, considering the team who finishes third will be promoted automatically, and seventh place will make the playoffs. Could the prediction league playoffs perhaps follow the League Two set-up, so that three automatically go up, plus one via the playoffs (with four relegations from each division also)? I'm in no way suggesting this to increase my odds of gaining rightful promotion back to the pinnacle of the top flight.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, aidan_latics said: ....back to the pinnacle of the top flight.... Back to? Go on, regale us of those heady days when you were in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidan_latics Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said: Back to? Go on, regale us of those heady days when you were in it? Every season since Aidan_Latics FC were founded they'd been a top flight club (it matters not that there were only one flight at the time), until the bureaucracy reconfigured the system for personal gain. And for the "heady days", you only have to hark back to last season's underdog cup run where silverware was in touching distance until... well, the rest is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted August 2, 2018 Author Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Bristolatic said: Still no sign of Cheats-R-Us, then, aka 24hrs. https://twitter.com/OWTB_Prediction/status/1024767069437485061 https://twitter.com/OWTB_Prediction/status/1024767069437485061 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted August 2, 2018 Author Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 hour ago, aidan_latics said: Just an observation, but I'd imagine the playoff format will need to be tweaked, considering the team who finishes third will be promoted automatically, and seventh place will make the playoffs. Could the prediction league playoffs perhaps follow the League Two set-up, so that three automatically go up, plus one via the playoffs (with four relegations from each division also)? I'm in no way suggesting this to increase my odds of gaining rightful promotion back to the pinnacle of the top flight.... Good spot. I'm still adjusting to life in League Two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 2 hours ago, aidan_latics said: Just an observation, but I'd imagine the playoff format will need to be tweaked, considering the team who finishes third will be promoted automatically, and seventh place will make the playoffs. Could the prediction league playoffs perhaps follow the League Two set-up, so that three automatically go up, plus one via the playoffs (with four relegations from each division also)? I'm in no way suggesting this to increase my odds of gaining rightful promotion back to the pinnacle of the top flight.... Ah yes. Although Latics are in League 2, the Prediction League has League 1, so I'm not sure which promotion/relegation system we're using. I can feel a Board meeting coming on. Stevie_J and I need to have a chat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 50 players signed up, which means we have three divisions this season. We'd have to get to 66 players to introduce a League Two... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Stevie_J said: 50 players signed up, which means we have three divisions this season. We'd have to get to 66 players to introduce a League Two... We should be able to rope in another 16, shouldn't we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 On 8/2/2018 at 8:40 AM, Bristolatic said: Still no sign of Cheats-R-Us, then, aka 24hrs. I never had him down as the salty type. I am shooketh. To the core. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 I'm embarrassed for him, @24hoursfromtulsehill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 I am ready to take my first humble step into the world of predictions. Money sent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted August 4, 2018 Author Share Posted August 4, 2018 1 hour ago, leeslover said: I am ready to take my first humble step into the world of predictions. Money sent. I’ll hold up my end of the bargain later today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 57 players = £570 Prize pot (50%) = £285 Donation to Roy Castle Lung Cancer Foundation (25%) = £142.50 Donation to OWTB running costs (25%) = £142.50 Prize allocation: Premier League Winner: £52.50 Premier League Runner-up: £25.00 Championship Winner: £52.50 Championship Runner-up: £25.00 League One Winner: £52.50 League One Runner-up: £25.00 Cup Winner: £52.50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted May 7, 2019 Author Share Posted May 7, 2019 All prize money has been paid out this morning. Should it not show up, please give me a shout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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