Realistics

[mcfluff1985]

8 minutes ago, Chaddyexile84 said:

 

At the time it wasn't a vote about Boris

 

The scruffy fat twat scarecrow made it that way to get an 80 seat majority with less than 50 % of the electorate and we laugh at North Korea

 

The mad bint and her cabinet have got the country on its knees in just three weeks and the mad bitch is there with only 33,000 votes 

 

Democracy is a myth at least without PR

 

Anyway.   

People chose not to vote Corbyn in. Is what it is. 

[GlossopLatic]

9 minutes ago, Monty Burns said:

l think boris totally fluked that majority cabinet in a complete epitomising of his whole lucky as fuck monoply playing pisstake of a life

 

He only got that because the alternative was Jeremy Corbyn. 

 

I mean most general elections are a choice of which is the least rubbish but the 2019 one stands out as being an absolute whopper.

 

But yeah he's spent his whole life in privilege getting away with basically going around shitting on people amd failing upwards. 

[mcfluff1985]

Just now, GlossopLatic said:

 

He only got that because the alternative was Jeremy Corbyn. 

 

I mean most general elections are a choice of which is the least rubbish but the 2019 one stands out as being an absolute whopper.

 

But yeah he's spent his whole life in privilege getting away with basically going around shitting on people. 

Be the same next time with Starmer who was trying to argue his 6 months energy price cap was better than Tories 2 year one on Sunday 

[GlossopLatic]

2 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said:

Be the same next time with Starmer who was trying to argue his 6 months energy price cap was better than Tories 2 year one on Sunday 

 

Stammer isn't perfect but he's a far better choice than Corbyn and certainly better than thick Lizzy who believes that if we all start shovelling £50 notes through bankers homes letter boxs in Mayfair then it will somehow "level up" the country.

[Chaddyexile84]

3 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said:

 

He only got that because the alternative was Jeremy Corbyn. 

 

I mean most general elections are a choice of which is the least rubbish but the 2019 one stands out as being an absolute whopper.

 

But yeah he's spent his whole life in privilege getting away with basically going around shitting on people amd failing upwards. 

 

Which is why it needs changing 

 

When electing new leaders and PMs they say we have a parliamentary system 

 

Then they change the manifesto and say they have a mandate I hate them all

[Monty Burns]

Just now, mcfluff1985 said:

Be the same next time with Starmer who was trying to argue his 6 months energy price cap was better than Tories 2 year one on Sunday 

starmer

 

literally got to be the only person on the planet so incapable of mounting any form of challenge to anything. he turns a tap the water stays where it is and Sir Sneer starts running instead.

[mcfluff1985]

Just now, GlossopLatic said:

 

Stammer isn't perfect but he's a far better choice than Corbyn and certainly better than thick Lizzy who believes that if we all start shovelling £50 notes through bankers homes letter boxs in Mayfair then it will somehow "level up" the country.

Starmer needs to articulate some form of plan. Come up with some real policies that working class people will buy into. Corbyn tried bribing people with free internet and an infinite money tree which I can only assume was costed by Diane Abbott. Starmer has banned any of his MPs supporting workers striking, that's not exactly going to enamour him to the working public 

[bigfatjoe1]

4 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said:

Be the same next time with Starmer who was trying to argue his 6 months energy price cap was better than Tories 2 year one on Sunday 

You mean the Tory caps that will actually still increase and which are being paid for by the tax payers rather than the companies who are making billions? They're reviewed every three months. There will be a cap over the two years, but it isn't what you suggest. Labour's plan goes much further.

[mcfluff1985]

10 minutes ago, bigfatjoe1 said:

You mean the Tory caps that will actually still increase and which are being paid for by the tax payers rather than the companies who are making billions? They're reviewed every three months. There will be a cap over the two years, but it isn't what you suggest. Labour's plan goes much further.

Whats the plan? Sunday he was saying 6 months then we will review it...

[oafcmetty]

1 hour ago, mcfluff1985 said:

Starmer has banned any of his MPs supporting workers striking, that's not exactly going to enamour him to the working public 

Not sure about that

[Ackey]

13 hours ago, mcfluff1985 said:

Starmer needs to articulate some form of plan. Come up with some real policies that working class people will buy into. 

He's done that. The conference may not have been to everyone's taste (including mine, in parts) but he's articulating a plan and is finally rotating back to speaking to the middle-ground. I'm a lefty-lefty, but that's idealised until there's any cohesive way of pulling middle ground to the left.  You can't just scream socialism at people and hope they like it. You have to actually lead them to it.

 

13 hours ago, mcfluff1985 said:

 Starmer has banned any of his MPs supporting workers striking, that's not exactly going to enamour him to the working public 

 

12 hours ago, oafcmetty said:

Not sure about that

This.  That's a complete straw man people seem willing to accept. He's centre-left and has worked to sideline the far left. That's not in doubt. I am left of him and wish he wouldn't have done some of it.  But ultimately he didn't ban that. What happened was someone went on national TV and made up policy on the spot - something they'd been told, explicitly and in writing, not to do. That person was punished for being a bellend, not for being on a picket line. A good leader sets boundaries, if not you have chaos. 

 

13 hours ago, Monty Burns said:

starmer

 

literally got to be the only person on the planet so incapable of mounting any form of challenge to anything. he turns a tap the water stays where it is and Sir Sneer starts running instead.

ElectionMapsUK have Labour +178... YouGov have them at 45% (+5 last time I looked)... I am sure they could do better and I fully appreciate predictions are arguably worthless - but if the GE went that way today it would be an unprecedented left-side swing. 

 

People on the left (and I very much include myself) tend to bicker over how left we should be. What really needs to happen is a unification of "this is better than that" - we can unpick the details and make better choices once we're not giving Bankers billions whilst people can't eat.  What we also need to do is be positive.  Empathy makes positiveness hard, as we're drawn to the "but what about them, too..." thinking. Conservatism makes that unity easier "we've got ours, that'll do..."

 

We can do this though. Assuming they've not scorch-earthed the entire thing to bits by the time the GE comes!

 

[yarddog73]

[Lags]

Every GE victory will have the middle ground backing. Starmer clearly knows this and any left minded person needs to accept it. The good thing is silly Lizzie is leaving the middle ground wide open with her ultra right wing pig minded mantra.

 

For the record in my business experience since Brexit, trade has been hit and so far it's a massive failure, unless you sell dingy's. 

[oafc 123]

1 hour ago, yarddog73 said:

Exactly they are all hypocritical wankers, everyone of them.  Bent fuckers.