andy_b_100 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 No one really knows what happens for the other 40 hours of Unsworths week. Just the 90 or 180 mins on the pitch and Saturday was the benchmark not Tuesday. Unsworth does appear on face value to not be able to adapt to certain situations and occasionallt contradicts himself in the media. We all read the same stuff coming from Everton, we all saw last seasons inability before christmas and improvements after it. Three games in it looks a bit bleak but calling for the managers head and insinuating nepatism is just extreme. Where I think we fall despite his pitch performance Hogan is the least vocal captian I can remenber, he is the one who should be pushing the back line 10 yards up and yelling at the midfield when sideways passing. We have been unlucky with injuries, hopefully we will be up for the fight on Saturday for the world to see. I can easily see why people are disgruntled with the manager and certain players ..... Im tired of sacking managers, I just want to watch football, debate the result, drink and go to bed...... we are going to lose games ... were going to win games and I would love us to get promoted but it isnt the be all and end all for this season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteG Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 hour ago, andy_b_100 said: No one really knows what happens for the other 40 hours of Unsworths week. Just the 90 or 180 mins on the pitch and Saturday was the benchmark not Tuesday. Unsworth does appear on face value to not be able to adapt to certain situations and occasionallt contradicts himself in the media. We all read the same stuff coming from Everton, we all saw last seasons inability before christmas and improvements after it. Three games in it looks a bit bleak but calling for the managers head and insinuating nepatism is just extreme. Where I think we fall despite his pitch performance Hogan is the least vocal captian I can remenber, he is the one who should be pushing the back line 10 yards up and yelling at the midfield when sideways passing. We have been unlucky with injuries, hopefully we will be up for the fight on Saturday for the world to see. I can easily see why people are disgruntled with the manager and certain players ..... Im tired of sacking managers, I just want to watch football, debate the result, drink and go to bed...... we are going to lose games ... were going to win games and I would love us to get promoted but it isnt the be all and end all for this season. You make some vey valid points, but the one i don't agree with is the last one. "I just want to watch football, debate the result, drink and go to bed" this has been the problem with this club for far too long, we are too easily pleased, a couple of games a season where we look half decent, the odd cup shock is all we have had for pretty much 30 years and we've got so used to being shit we are happy to just exist. It's got to change, we need to demand success and given where we are right now I don't think it's being unrealistic. Let's be honest, we are by far away the biggest club in this division, everything is in place to succeed but i'll tell you now, the longer we are down here, the harder it will be to get out. I keep hearing it took x, y and z this many years to go up, i'm not interesting in them, Notts County for example were in the play-offs every year, Grimsby did it at the 1st attempt despite having a takeover late in the summer and being in a bit of a mess. The minimum we should expect this season, is the play-offs and if we are not in the top 7 at the end of September he should be fired. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 minute ago, PeteG said: You make some vey valid points, but the one i don't agree with is the last one. "I just want to watch football, debate the result, drink and go to bed" this has been the problem with this club for far too long, we are too easily pleased, a couple of games a season where we look half decent, the odd cup shock is all we have had for pretty much 30 years and we've got so used to being shit we are happy to just exist. It's got to change, we need to demand success and given where we are right now I don't think it's being unrealistic. Let's be honest, we are by far away the biggest club in this division, everything is in place to succeed but i'll tell you now, the longer we are down here, the harder it will be to get out. I keep hearing it took x, y and z this many years to go up, i'm not interesting in them, Notts County for example were in the play-offs every year, Grimsby did it at the 1st attempt despite having a takeover late in the summer and being in a bit of a mess. The minimum we should expect this season, is the play-offs and if we are not in the top 7 at the end of September he should be fired. Agree with you here Pete. The excuse that this club as almost going bust and it will take longer to turn around is not a valid excuse to me. Right now, he has the players and facilities for us to be top 7 at the very minimum, my expectation is we are in the top 3. If Unsy can’t deliver that, then he should go asap. End of September is being generous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteG Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 26 minutes ago, LightDN123 said: Agree with you here Pete. The excuse that this club as almost going bust and it will take longer to turn around is not a valid excuse to me. Right now, he has the players and facilities for us to be top 7 at the very minimum, my expectation is we are in the top 3. If Unsy can’t deliver that, then he should go asap. End of September is being generous. I also think end of September is being generous and if we pick up 0pts in the next 2 games then the top 7 by end of September is highly unlikely so he should be gone. I'm prepared to give him 2 games and expect 3pts from them as a minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_b_100 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Whilst I dont disagree with either of you, we are three games into a season so another 43 to go and who says we wont be there at the end. I expect to be there or there abouts and we have yet to see our strogest team out there. The las year has been one long unsworth in/out debate ,,, Nutall is shite....... Sheron/Shelton ... Norman gete beat by every long range shot. Clamour for Gardner ... creativity there is always something WRONG. We all have eyes and unfortunately whatever target individuals give the club and board will decide on the appropriate action and Im happy with that. The gallows humour I loved about football has proctically been replaced by the boos and scapegoating.... There is obvious passion for the club ... just channel it positively towards the 'team' 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 It’s a tough one for me - on the one hand he does have three players out injured and two potentially important players (Freeman and Dickenson) who need to be managed back to full match fitness. On the other hand, he still seems to struggle with his tactics and with changing things mid game. He also doesn’t take any responsibility for our/his failings. He said when he arrived that he needed better players - Recruitment has provided him with Norwood, Lundsttram, Hobson, Raglan, Ward, Willoughby, Dickenson, Freeman in the close season. Adding to Kitching, Nuttall, Reid, Shelton who came in under him last season - and have stayed… That’s TWELVE in less than a year. I’m prepared to give him time, but the clock is ticking… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, andy_b_100 said: Whilst I dont disagree with either of you, we are three games into a season so another 43 to go and who says we wont be there at the end. I expect to be there or there abouts and we have yet to see our strogest team out there. The las year has been one long unsworth in/out debate ,,, Nutall is shite....... Sheron/Shelton ... Norman gete beat by every long range shot. Clamour for Gardner ... creativity there is always something WRONG. We all have eyes and unfortunately whatever target individuals give the club and board will decide on the appropriate action and Im happy with that. The gallows humour I loved about football has proctically been replaced by the boos and scapegoating.... There is obvious passion for the club ... just channel it positively towards the 'team' Football's a funny old game, we could beat Chesterfield 3-0 and many on here will then say we are going to win the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 56 minutes ago, PeteG said: You make some vey valid points, but the one i don't agree with is the last one. "I just want to watch football, debate the result, drink and go to bed" this has been the problem with this club for far too long, we are too easily pleased, a couple of games a season where we look half decent, the odd cup shock is all we have had for pretty much 30 years and we've got so used to being shit we are happy to just exist. It's got to change, we need to demand success and given where we are right now I don't think it's being unrealistic. Let's be honest, we are by far away the biggest club in this division, everything is in place to succeed but i'll tell you now, the longer we are down here, the harder it will be to get out. I keep hearing it took x, y and z this many years to go up, i'm not interesting in them, Notts County for example were in the play-offs every year, Grimsby did it at the 1st attempt despite having a takeover late in the summer and being in a bit of a mess. The minimum we should expect this season, is the play-offs and if we are not in the top 7 at the end of September he should be fired. Surely you need a sustained run of results first before you can start demanding anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Football's a funny old game, we could beat Chesterfield 3-0 and many on here will then say we are going to win the league. I was going to have fiver on a three nil victory - but I can only find 12-1 - expected longer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southwaleslatic Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 We are having a sustained run , losing 2 out of 3 is pretty sustained ? Unsworth was a reasonable defender in his time , so you would think that sorting defence out would be pretty straightforward but we've shipped 7 goals in 3 games . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteG Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Surely you need a sustained run of results first before you can start demanding anything? No, we are the biggest club in the league with at least the 2nd highest budget. We should be demanding to be a top 3 side in this division. Anything less is not acceptable. Unsworth has no excuses, everything is there for him to succeed. He's been here for almost 12 months and we look no more like a team ready to push for promotion than when he took over. He's on borrowed time unless he starts winning games on a regular basis with immediate effect. Why should we be settling for less? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, PeteG said: No, we are the biggest club in the league with at least the 2nd highest budget. We should be demanding to be a top 3 side in this division. Anything less is not acceptable. Unsworth has no excuses, everything is there for him to succeed. He's been here for almost 12 months and we look no more like a team ready to push for promotion than when he took over. He's on borrowed time unless he starts winning games on a regular basis with immediate effect. Why should we be settling for less? Are people losing their marbles here? We've played three games not 30, all without his gun midfielder. If we are still 17th come October time then of course it is game over for him. Budgets help but you've still got to get the right ones in and they've got to perform, you said yourself we are not exactly breaking the bank for most of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Tic Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 58 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: It’s a tough one for me - on the one hand he does have three players out injured and two potentially important players (Freeman and Dickenson) who need to be managed back to full match fitness. On the other hand, he still seems to struggle with his tactics and with changing things mid game. He also doesn’t take any responsibility for our/his failings. He said when he arrived that he needed better players - Recruitment has provided him with Norwood, Lundsttram, Hobson, Raglan, Ward, Willoughby, Dickenson, Freeman in the close season. Adding to Kitching, Nuttall, Reid, Shelton who came in under him last season - and have stayed… That’s TWELVE in less than a year. I’m prepared to give him time, but the clock is ticking… This exactly for me, The three out injured could potentially make that difference to turn us into a consistent winning team when added with the others and it’s annoying that they’re out before kicking a ball in anger. Everything else is in place, pitch, finances, fans coming in numbers, the lot. We have at the very least got to be aiming for top seven this time around . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Are people losing their marbles here? We've played three games not 30, all without his gun midfielder. If we are still 17th come October time then of course it is game over for him. Budgets help but you've still got to get the right ones in and they've got to perform, you said yourself we are not exactly breaking the bank for most of them. We can’t wait until October though. We just putting this season down as an L then ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteG Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Are people losing their marbles here? We've played three games not 30, all without his gun midfielder. If we are still 17th come October time then of course it is game over for him. Budgets help but you've still got to get the right ones in and they've got to perform, you said yourself we are not exactly breaking the bank for most of them. Not breaking the bank compared to Wrexham but there is no doubt we are in the top 2 in terms of budget. All teams deal with injuries and suspensions, it's part of the game. We should be able to deal with it better than most. No more excuses, he needs to win games starting Saturday. If we had won the first 3 then lost at Chesterfield then that's ok. He's put himself in this position, he couldn't really have asked for a better 3 games to start with. At what point would you consider pulling the trigger? If we only pick up 1pt or 0pts from the next 2 we will be in the relegation places and in danger of the season being over before it's barely started. How long do we wait? You want to give a new manager a chance of turning it around and still making a promotion push. Stockport did it. Edited August 17, 2023 by PeteG Edit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, LightDN123 said: We can’t wait until October though. We just putting this season down as an L then ? We might win the next 3 games and be in the top 5, is he suddenly doing a good job then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, PeteG said: Not breaking the bank compared to Wrexham but there is no doubt we are in the top 2 in terms of budget. All teams deal with injuries and suspensions, it's part of the game. We should be able to deal with it better than most. No more excuses, he needs to win games starting Saturday. If we had won the first 3 then lost at Chesterfield then that's ok. He's put himself in this position, he couldn't really have asked for a better 3 games to start with. At what point would you consider pulling the trigger? If we only pick up 1pt or 0pts from the next 2 we will be in the relegation places and in danger of the season being over before it's barely started. How long do we wait? You want to give a new manager a chance of turning it around and still making a promotion push. Stockport did it. There are no relegation places in August, 2 wins could literally catapult you 10 places up the league. If the squad and budget are so good then you can probably give him longer if anything as the next manager can just plug in and start winning straight away given it is so easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, deyres42 said: We might win the next 3 games and be in the top 5, is he suddenly doing a good job then? I’ve already said, my expectation is play offs as a minimum, but I believe we should be in the top 3. So currently, we are 17th and he’s doing a terrible job. If we win 3 on the bounce, and we are in top 7. Then yes much improved and he will be doing a good job. You can say all you like about it only being 3 games. The facts are we got dicked by Southend, we put in an impressive performance against a team that is tipped for relegation, and followed that up with a disappointing display against Halifax. 3 points from 9. Is that good enough measured against my expectations? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Just now, LightDN123 said: I’ve already said, my expectation is play offs as a minimum, but I believe we should be in the top 3. So currently, we are 17th and he’s doing a terrible job. If we win 3 on the bounce, and we are in top 7. Then yes much improved and he will be doing a good job. You can say all you like about it only being 3 games. The facts are we got dicked by Southend, we put in an impressive performance against a team that is tipped for relegation, and followed that up with a disappointing display against Halifax. 3 points from 9. Is that good enough measured against my expectations? No. If the manager is so bad then why are you expecting anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_R Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Different views here and I agree with parts of them all. Overall I’ve not been too impressed with Unsworth, and his record as a whole is average, despite being given everything he could want. I’ve no idea whether Lundstram and Ward will improve us as I’ve hardly seen them. Shelton came with glowing reports from Hartlepool and if he’d been out injured after his first couple of games we’d be preying for him back soon, but he’s been crap. I also agree we should be aiming for the top and none of this top seven bollocks. To be fair I’ve not heard Unsworth mention the play offs, only promotion. He doesn’t help himself with some of the crap he comes out with most of the time, but I’m not for binning him off yet. Three games is far too soon, and he needs to be given the chance to bed all the new signings in once they’re fully fit. Once the table settles down we’ll have a better idea of where we are, and I honestly can’t see us not being somewhere near the top. It’ll be harder for him to not be up there than to challenge given the backing he’s had and the standard of the opposition, so I doubt his job is under threat anyway. He’s the Latics manager so I’ll back him, but he need to buck his ideas up and I can see why plenty of others won’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, deyres42 said: If the manager is so bad then why are you expecting anything? What a stupid response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 hour ago, southwaleslatic said: We are having a sustained run , losing 2 out of 3 is pretty sustained ? Unsworth was a reasonable defender in his time , so you would think that sorting defence out would be pretty straightforward but we've shipped 7 goals in 3 games . no - that couldn't be described remotely as sustained! A new 'high'' in short termism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, LightDN123 said: What a stupid response. As stupid as expecting something to work well even though one of the main parts is faulty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 minute ago, deyres42 said: As stupid as expecting something to work well even though one of the main parts is faulty? I couldn’t be more clear I want him gone. What you are saying literally makes no sense. Are you asking me to lower my expectations because DU is the manager ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, LightDN123 said: I couldn’t be more clear I want him gone. What you are saying literally makes no sense. Are you asking me to lower my expectations because DU is the manager ? That's the natural conclusion if he is as bad as you say he is yeah. Otherwise you are just howling into the wind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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