Flemboy Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 21 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said: The last 4 performances have been utter horse shit and not a good audition for him to be the permanent manager... Indeed they have but still undefeated and he has our club to heart most fans like him as well as the players and if he gets anything like the backing Unsworth had then I'm for giving him the job . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 8 hours ago, Lee Sinnott said: The last 4 performances have been utter horse shit and not a good audition for him to be the permanent manager... I’m not sure another manager coming in at this stage would make much difference to be honest, so a deal for ST until the end of the season makes a lot of sense. It will be the cheapest option and the money saved would probably provide us with a budget to bring in some better players. Based on our performances we can then make a long term decision in May. He’s had them playing better and managed a decent points return, however, I think it’s fairly obvious now that several of our best 11 are clearly not good enough. As my mate would say…” You can only piss with the dick you’ve got.” 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemel latic Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 33 minutes ago, oafc1955 said: I’m not sure another manager coming in at this stage would make much difference to be honest, so a deal for ST until the end of the season makes a lot of sense. It will be the cheapest option and the money saved would probably provide us with a budget to bring in some better players. Based on our performances we can then make a long term decision in May. He’s had them playing better and managed a decent points return, however, I think it’s fairly obvious now that several of our best 11 are clearly not good enough. As my mate would say…” You can only piss with the dick you’ve got.” I struggle with this view tbh. If a new manager coming in wouldn't make much difference then you've appointed the wrong manager. If managers don't make much difference why is such importance placed on the appointment? I agree with Lee Sinnott, we need a new man, new ideas, renewed enthusiasm to sweep away the malaise of the Unsworth era. If they do give it to ST and Redders (which I'm starting to think they might) I obviously hope they do a blinding job and smash it out of the park. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, Hemel latic said: If a new manager coming in wouldn't make much difference then you've appointed the wrong manager. I just don’t think anyone could get much more out of our currently unbalanced squad. We need 4 players minimum and if a new guy comes in it would mean more expense and maybe there wouldn’t be the same scope to bring them in. Rather than gambling on a new manager who could not offer any guarantees and who would want at least a 2 year deal IMO I just think it’s the sensible option in our current situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, oafc1955 said: I just don’t think anyone could get much more out of our currently unbalanced squad. We need 4 players minimum and if a new guy comes in it would mean more expense and maybe there wouldn’t be the same scope to bring them in. Rather than gambling on a new manager who could not offer any guarantees and who would want at least a 2 year deal IMO I just think it’s the sensible option in our current situation. But it's going to be very difficult to sign four starting players at this time of the season. If we do then they'll be on good money with decent contract lengths and if it doesn't work out this season then we'll be looking for another new manager who'll be wanting his own players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, oafc1955 said: I’m not sure another manager coming in at this stage would make much difference to be honest, so a deal for ST until the end of the season makes a lot of sense. It will be the cheapest option and the money saved would probably provide us with a budget to bring in some better players. Based on our performances we can then make a long term decision in May. He’s had them playing better and managed a decent points return, however, I think it’s fairly obvious now that several of our best 11 are clearly not good enough. As my mate would say…” You can only piss with the dick you’ve got.” The "dick we've got" is better than being outplayed by Wealdstone, Dagenham, Kidderminster and Maidenhead... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 I am struggling to see why we need 4 new players. Or why we have such an unbalanced squad no one could get us playing. We're lacking creativity in midfield and a fit right back. We're only unbalanced if the manager wants to play a certain way and we don't have bodies in the right positions to do that. For me, one of the key things a new manager needs to be able to do is to show how he can get a tune out of this squad without the need to overhaul half the team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_R Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 10 hours ago, Lee Sinnott said: The last 4 performances have been utter horse shit and not a good audition for him to be the permanent manager... Exactly. Everyone demanded change, nothing much has changed, now we need to leave it as it is. Ive nothing against Thompson but think a lot of his popularity is down to the fact that he’s not David Unsworth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, nzlatic said: I am struggling to see why we need 4 new players. Or why we have such an unbalanced squad no one could get us playing. We're lacking creativity in midfield and a fit right back. We're only unbalanced if the manager wants to play a certain way and we don't have bodies in the right positions to do that. For me, one of the key things a new manager needs to be able to do is to show how he can get a tune out of this squad without the need to overhaul half the team. One fit left back. One fit right back. (I refuse to include Sutton, as centre halves playing right isn’t the stuff of promotion sides) Green - not consistent enough. A creative midfielder. There’s 4 right there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, League one forever said: One fit left back. One fit right back. (I refuse to include Sutton, as centre halves playing right isn’t the stuff of promotion sides) Green - not consistent enough. A creative midfielder. There’s 4 right there. But are we really in a position to have two specialist players for every position given that means for the time being a squad of first team players of around 30? Dickenson has played left back, Shelton has played right back, Hope has played right side of midfield, we're yet to see what Lundstram can delver with a prolonged run in the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, League one forever said: One fit left back. One fit right back. (I refuse to include Sutton, as centre halves playing right isn’t the stuff of promotion sides) Green - not consistent enough. A creative midfielder. There’s 4 right there. So 1 of the 4 players ST says we need to be competitive is a substitute left back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, nzlatic said: So 1 of the 4 players ST says we need to be competitive is a substitute left back? Yes. Are you happy with one fit left back?? Or is Kitching the only player that plays unopposed/without challenge all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Hemel latic said: I struggle with this view tbh. If a new manager coming in wouldn't make much difference then you've appointed the wrong manager. If managers don't make much difference why is such importance placed on the appointment? I agree with Lee Sinnott, we need a new man, new ideas, renewed enthusiasm to sweep away the malaise of the Unsworth era. If they do give it to ST and Redders (which I'm starting to think they might) I obviously hope they do a blinding job and smash it out of the park. How much do you expect the manager to do? Because he can't wave a magic and and turn sheron or Shelton into peak John Sheridan. They will need ideally 3-4 players but realistically 2 definite starters will probably be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Just now, League one forever said: Yes. Are you happy with one fit left back?? Or is Kitching the only player that plays unopposed/without challenge all season. I may be wrong but Kitching could be one booking from a ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: But are we really in a position to have two specialist players for every position given that means for the time being a squad of first team players of around 30? Dickenson has played left back, Shelton has played right back, Hope has played right side of midfield, we're yet to see what Lundstram can delver with a prolonged run in the team. Dave- the recruitment and retention has been really poor in places, we all acknowledge that. But the reality is there is a massive difference between a body that ‘can do a job’ and a highly effective player in that given position. We have 4 positions where the selection is just ok. Right back. left wing right wing Centre mid. Until they are sorted with a Kitching, Hobson, Norwood sort of level we aren’t going up. That will take time, but that’s what’s is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, League one forever said: Yes. Are you happy with one fit left back?? Or is Kitching the only player that plays unopposed/without challenge all season. The idea of having equal competitors fighting it out over every position is a nice but expensive idea. And I'm not sure it's necessary at this level. If Kitching misses a game from injury or suspension we have Dickenson and Couto who can step in. If he has a long term injury or something like that we can always look at the loan market. By that logic, we need 2 creative midfielders, not 1. If Unsworth had said that one of the things we need to be competitive is a back up left back he'd have been chased out of the building with pitchforks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, League one forever said: Dave- the recruitment and retention has been really poor in places, we all acknowledge that. But the reality is there is a massive difference between a body that ‘can do a job’ and a highly effective player in that given position. We have 4 positions where the selection is just ok. Right back. left wing right wing Centre mid. Until they are sorted with a Kitching, Hobson, Norwood sort of level we aren’t going up. That will take time, but that’s what’s is needed. Well, that's reality. To give ST a contract for 8 months and the budget for four first choice players would be bonkers in my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Just now, nzlatic said: The idea of having equal competitors fighting it out over every position is a nice but expensive idea. And I'm not sure it's necessary at this level. If Kitching misses a game from injury or suspension we have Dickenson and Couto who can step in. If he has a long term injury or something like that we can always look at the loan market. By that logic, we need 2 creative midfielders, not 1. If Unsworth had said that one of the things we need to be competitive is a back up left back he'd have been chased out of the building with pitchforks. It’s expensive when you extend tollit after 4 months, give Hope another year when he never plays. Extend Sheron for being nothing more than steady. Sign 2 centre halves to add to the three on the books and four strikers to add to the two on the books. At the start of the season. Two Keepers. No right back. One left back. 5 Centre halves. One right winger 5 Centre mids One left sided player 6 strikers. That is piss poor. All we heard in the summer was a reduced squad with more quality, if we had recruited better 24 players was absolutely possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Dave_Og said: Well, that's reality. To give ST a contract for 8 months and the budget for four first choice players would be bonkers in my view. I highly doubt he’d take such a short contract with no help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 And why do they have to be four permanent by the way. Two quality loans for now. Try and add a couple in Jan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Just now, Dave_Og said: But it's going to be very difficult to sign four starting players at this time of the season. If we do then they'll be on good money with decent contract lengths and if it doesn't work out this season then we'll be looking for another new manager who'll be wanting his own players I thought the idea of proper recruitment would mean any new manager should in the main be able to work with the squad he inherits! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, disjointed said: I may be wrong but Kitching could be one booking from a ban. It’s ok- we can recall Benny from Ashton United. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, League one forever said: It’s ok- we can recall Benny from Ashton United. . Interesting you use Couto in this example rather than Dickenson who's played left back in the EFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, oafc1955 said: I thought the idea of proper recruitment would mean any new manager should in the main be able to work with the squad he inherits! Maybe so, but... I really don't think we need four new players though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, nzlatic said: Interesting you use Couto in this example rather than Dickenson who's played left back in the EFL. He’s the only fit left sided attacking player, or are you playing him in two positions now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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