oafc0000 Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 I agree with the BNP about not wanting the country to turn into a Muslim state (which it will under the current Labour government). What do you mean by a "Muslim state" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 I have never and will never understand the logic behind a protest vote... X pisses me off so I am going to vote for a bunch of vile racist scum bags called Y because I want to give X a bloody nose and a couple of their polices did not mention "kicking them all out"... Its like the dumbest of dumb... Did you vote- if you didn't you have no right to complain. In places like Austrailia where no voting is against the law I would imagine there are a fair few protest votes i.e. vote for who you hate least. Come the next general election that's who I'm going to be voting for and its not going to be the BNP but I'm not sure where I'm going to stick my x until I read EVERY parties' policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowl Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 What do you mean by a "Muslim state" ? the country being controlled by Islamic religious law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) The BNP to a lot of people seem to be the best of a bad bunch. So you have Labour who promote socialist values... You have Torys who promote capitalist values You have the Libs who promote liberal values.. You have the greens who promote environmental values.. and you have the BNP who preach racist fuel hatred and would like to "kick them all out" And the BNP are the best of a bad bunch?? There is a thing called perception and reality... Many people like you operate in the world of perception. I think its up to the main parties to help you see this and fail. I also think its YOUR responsibility to start looking beyond the world of perception and stop expecting it all to served on a plate. Fancy telling me exactly why you think your being failed and how you would like things to be changed ? Edited October 23, 2009 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 What do you mean by a "Muslim state" ? Don't you see? Gordon Brown, Jack Straw and Alistair Darling won't rest until Shariyah law is in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Becketts Anchor Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 or maybe you support Israels abuse of innocent palestinians. Unless I'm very much mistaken, Griffin claimed last night that his was the only party to support Israel's right to defend itself by using it's Western-supplied army against kids throwing stones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Did you vote- if you didn't you have no right to complain. In places like Austrailia where no voting is against the law I would imagine there are a fair few protest votes i.e. vote for who you hate least. Come the next general election that's who I'm going to be voting for and its not going to be the BNP but I'm not sure where I'm going to stick my x until I read EVERY parties' policies. Which part of my post gave the impression I don't vote ? I have voted Labour since I was old enough. Not sure where my next vote will go...I know exactly which each party stand for and I do not think the same can be said for a lot of people. And that is no ones fault but their own... I know for a fact if everyone voted in this country then the BNP would be nowhere. The only got two European seats due to the collapse of the main parties vote and proportional representation. The actual number of votes recorded for them had not gone up from previous years, in fact I think it had fallen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 I'm sorry Stevie but there are a few people who don't care about the BNPs race "policies" bearing in mind they've changed 10 times recently and that was just last night and wouldn't class themselves as racist who voted for the BNP. I mentioned when he got elected that I was seriously tempted to vote for him because of a personal issue I have with the Manchester Evening News (I didn't vote for anyone as it happened- I wasn't in Manchester) and their stupid illegal campaign against him- I seriously doubt I would have voted for the BNP if I had voted but I will admit I was tempted to. I don't like the BNPs main race policy but some of there other minor policies I can see some validity in. (For example the Greens are against Immunisation- not something that's going to win votes from me). I'm not a big fan of any of the main political parties- for varied reasons. With the current political crisis- the expenses, the lying, the moaning and now the cutting of public sector wages but increasing their own people are finding it very hard to vote for any of the main political parties so that leaves the likes of UKIP, BNP, Greens and the rest to scrabble for those vote- the BNP will pick some protest votes up and in areas where there is a definate bit of racial tension the BNP will pick up more voted than the others- hence why they got 2 seats in Northern England. It's not really about whether people class themselves as racist though, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 The 'I don't agree with their race policies but...' argument doesn't wash. It doesn't matter what other policies they have...just read their policies on their website. I looked at it for about five minutes before and the three I found just from a cursory glance... 1. They will abolish the Human Rights Act 2. They will abolish anti-discrimination laws 3. Their foreign policy will be to build strong relations with Asian nations so they can take 'people back where they came from' (not a direct quote as I can't remember it, but worryingly close to it) What's worrying is that some people think that this is something they can ignore because of the failings of political parties elsewhere. Sometimes the wellbeing of your fellow human being should take precedence. Shame on anybody who thinks otherwise. Sod the BNP's 'other policies', they are a racist organisation set on finding a back way into power to achieve their genuine underlying ambitions. Have you read Labour's new Equality Bill- championed by that cow Harriet Harman- essentially it is going to make positive selection legal (if every thing is the same you can choose the person who is poorly proportionally represented in terms of ethnicity, gender sexuality etc. on your staff) you are not going to be allowed to positively discriminate. Personally I quite like it as despite being a white male I'm proportionally under represented in my chosen profession- probably not the purpose it was designed for but I bet someone uses it that way. Abolishing the Human Rights act though is wrong- my point was they aren't the only party who are looking to change discrimination law- except the others have vastly different changes in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Unless I'm very much mistaken, Griffin claimed last night that his was the only party to support Israel's right to defend itself by using it's Western-supplied army against kids throwing stones. Let's not get onto something else, but please don't tell me you're ignorant enough to think that was the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 the country being controlled by Islamic religious law. and how do you see that coming about exactly ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 It's not really about whether people class themselves as racist though, is it? I am all sure they all have black friends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Becketts Anchor Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) Let's not get onto something else, but please don't tell me you're ignorant enough to think that was the case. No, that was just a bit of fun. But to use a modern, heavily armed force (and let's not forget the phosphorous bombs) against what is essentially a massive refugee camp is unforgivable. Unless you're Nick Griffin, or the Israeli government. Hell, even the Americans were getting embarrased. Edited October 23, 2009 by Luke Becketts Anchor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowl Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 So you have Labour who promote socialist values... You have Torys who promote capitalist values You have the Libs who promote liberal values.. You have the greens who promote environmental values.. and you have the BNP who preach racist fuel hatred and would like to "kick them all out" And the BNP are the best of a bad bunch?? There is a thing called perception and reality... Many people like you operate in the world of perception. I think its up to the main parties to help you see this and fail. I also think its YOUR responsibility to start looking beyond the world of perception and stop expecting it all to served on a plate. Fancy telling me exactly why you think your being failed and how you would like things to be changed ? One Example- When Gavin Hopely got beaten to death in Glodwick (2003) simply for being white - it got swept under the carpet because the authorities didn’t want public outcry. To my knowledge no one was actually convicted of his murder. Where were the main political parties then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) No, that was just a bit of fun. But to use a modern, heavily armed force (and let's not forget the phosphorous bombs) against what is essentially a massive refuge camp is unforgivable. Unless you're Nick Griffin, or the Israeli government. Hell, even the Americans were getting embarrased. Lets keep off the Israeli thing guys... Its a massive debate in its own right... Edited October 23, 2009 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowl Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 and how do you see that coming about exactly ? Because White people get accused of being Racist and Nazi’s when they try and stick up for their own rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 One Example- When Gavin Hopely got beaten to death in Glodwick (2003) simply for being white - it got swept under the carpet because the authorities didn’t want public outcry. To my knowledge no one was actually convicted of his murder. Where were the main political parties then? And what would the BNP have done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 In places like Austrailia where no voting is against the law I would imagine there are a fair few protest votes Non-sequitur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Because White people get accused of being Racist and Nazi’s when they try and stick up for their own rights. And that's going to create an Islamic state? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Which part of my post gave the impression I don't vote ? I have voted Labour since I was old enough. Not sure where my next vote will go...I know exactly which each party stand for and I do not think the same can be said for a lot of people. And that is no ones fault but their own... I know for a fact if everyone voted in this country then the BNP would be nowhere. The only got two European seats due to the collapse of the main parties vote and proportional representation. The actual number of votes recorded for them had not gone up from previous years, in fact I think it had fallen. I wasn't sure if you voted or not- my point was that you are anti protest votes but they have their place IMHO. Can you name me the green's top 5 policies, or how about the Liberal party? Or what about the BNP once you get rid of the racism what do they stand for? I don't know and its not like I don't follow politics at all. I would have to look them up and come election time make my decision on where to put my cross. I know which party I would like to vote for but for a personal reason concerning one of their senior members I won't vote for them until he resigns as an MP. If everyone had to vote I agree I do think the BNP would struggle but a pro-muslim party might get a seat which wouldn't necessaruly be a good thing. What is better in your opinion not voting or a protest vote? (I'm just curious) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Becketts Anchor Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 One Example- When Gavin Hopely got beaten to death in Glodwick (2003) simply for being white - it got swept under the carpet because the authorities didn’t want public outcry. To my knowledge no one was actually convicted of his murder. Where were the main political parties then? So, the failure to solve what was possibly a racist murder is a good reason to vote for the BNP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 One Example- When Gavin Hopely got beaten to death in Glodwick (2003) simply for being white - it got swept under the carpet because the authorities didn’t want public outcry. To my knowledge no one was actually convicted of his murder. Where were the main political parties then? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2838221.stm Yeah, well and truly swept under the carpet... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/2946152.stm Seven convicted in total... NEXT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 So, the failure to solve what was possibly a racist murder is a good reason to vote for the BNP? It gets better when you find it was reported by the BBC and seven people where convicted... I hope bowl starts taking a look at his own view points a little closer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 It's not really about whether people class themselves as racist though, is it? No but I got the distinct impression that just by voting for the BNP that person is a racist in your eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowl Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 And what would the BNP have done? I'm not saying the BNP would of done anything. I'm just pointing out to oafc0000 why I think the country is being failed - because White people have not got the same rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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