BP1960 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 If we can pay a player 100k a year (and no doubt Evans would have been higher) then we should be able to pay a manager that too. Rosler's stock isn't particularly high, not an unrealistic target in theory IMO. My only beef with Yates is that if he is the man no then why wasn't he in February? Can only think it would be a contractual issue. And they are out of work so will need some income. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 If we can pay a player 100k a year (and no doubt Evans would have been higher) then we should be able to pay a manager that too. Rosler's stock isn't particularly high, not an unrealistic target in theory IMO. My only beef with Yates is that if he is the man no then why wasn't he in February? Can only think it would be a contractual issue. If we pay a manager over £100k pa, then that's less budget for players..... The question would therefore be, what would you rather have.... The current squad less Liam Kelly.... in order to have Rosler as manager..... or the current squad as is, plus Yates as manager? I get the impression that following past mistakes, Penney being the most obvious, Corney et al like to take their time to get to know an appointment via more than 1 formal interview and few informal meetings / chats..... Yates was sacked by Cheltenham therefore there would be no contractual barrier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 And they are out of work so will need some income. Who? Warburton is independently wealthy as a former City trader.... Rosler won't be short of a few bob from his playing caereer and his pay off from Wigan... Adkins will still be counting his compo from Saints and Reading.... and isn't he a qualified Physio anyway... so won't be short of employment opportunities elsewhere... Dave Jones, Billy Davies won't be struggling to keep the lecky on either.... Out of work managers / would be managers who need income to survive.... will be coaches currently / rookies, failed elsewhere or lower league specialists....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Who? Warburton is independently wealthy as a former City trader.... Rosler won't be short of a few bob from his playing caereer and his pay off from Wigan... Adkins will still be counting his compo from Saints and Reading.... and isn't he a qualified Physio anyway... so won't be short of employment opportunities elsewhere... Dave Jones, Billy Davies won't be struggling to keep the lecky on either.... Out of work managers / would be managers who need income to survive.... will be coaches currently / rookies, failed elsewhere or lower league specialists....! Rosler might be waiting a while if he is holding out for something much higher up the food chain, if he comes and has a good 18 months with us then his stock becomes high again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Rosler might be waiting a while if he is holding out for something much higher up the food chain, if he comes and has a good 18 months with us then his stock becomes high again. Agreed. I'd be delighted if we got him. I was hopeful after learning of his appearance beside Alan Hardy at the weekend.... alas however, it appears as though it is highly unlikely. Matt Chambers article yesterday confirms what I thought most realistic... and the last near half a century of managerial appointments proves in black an white.... we won't get and don't get managers with a positive reputation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I agree.... and my point is..... Rosler (Brentford) has been there..... and now wants better..... Warburton (Ditto)..... Adkins (Scunthorpe)..... Dowie (Latics)..... Billy Davies (Motherwell, the SPL is potless)..... Dave Jones (Stockport)..... We have to be realistic..... these managers want better facilities, less hassle and more money that we can't / would be willing to pay..... They'll all want more money, who wouldn't..... The other stuff I wouldn't be too sure about. If a manager is desperate for a job, wants "back in", and a lot of them will be, they'll pretty much take whatever comes along. Even if it's just a means to getting a better job down the line. Look at Gary Johnson - he'll work anywhere in the South it seems.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted April 17, 2015 Author Share Posted April 17, 2015 http://www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.com/latest-news/conference-premier-step-one/12314/alan-devonshire-parts-company-with-braintree-town/ This guy has done well at Braintree and has been approached by a club. Worked with limited resources and, I believe, he was a decent player back in his day. He may have some decent contacts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Agreed. I'd be delighted if we got him. I was hopeful after learning of his appearance beside Alan Hardy at the weekend.... alas however, it appears as though it is highly unlikely. Matt Chambers article yesterday confirms what I thought most realistic... and the last near half a century of managerial appointments proves in black an white.... we won't get and don't get managers with a positive reputation. Who have we ever appointed who didn't have a positive reputation? Even Penney had been successful previously. As had Moore, Talbot, Warnock. Wadsworth had a good reputation. Dowie was well respected despite it being his first job. As was Sheridan. We were ecstatic with Ritchie. Dickov and Johnson's credentials were about as good as they could be for a first job.... Who'd have thought Sharp would be such a flop. Someone like Yates would be the first appointment in my lifetime who didn't have a positive reputation, despite the efforts of some on here to contrive to give him one..... But maybe that's the answer - we've tried every other option, let's give it to some loser who couldn't even get up from League 2 in five years of trying..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 If a manager is desperate for a job, wants "back in", and a lot of them will be, they'll pretty much take whatever comes along. Look at Gary Johnson - he'll work anywhere in the South it seems.... ....only if they think it won't harm their reputation.... our size and relative budget in League 1 makes it harder for them to succeed.... so they will be wary. True enough on Gary Johnson.... but realistically his shot at the big time has come and gone with the Bristol City job.... therefore one suspects he's settled with his unarguable reputation of being a successful lower league manager.... whatever happens to him at Cheltenham, that will remain intact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 http://www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.com/latest-news/conference-premier-step-one/12314/alan-devonshire-parts-company-with-braintree-town/ This guy has done well at Braintree and has been approached by a club. Worked with limited resources and, I believe, he was a decent player back in his day. He may have some decent contacts... He was a great player. He's knocking on though and you have to wonder why he's never had a job at a League Club in all this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishblue Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Obviously speculating but If Yates is the next manager why the hell didn't we just appoint him when LJ left. I don't understand the thinking behind leaving it till close season. unless we had someone lined up to take over when their contract expired at the end of this season. At the time we were still in with a great shout of the play offs, nothing has changed with respect to his (Yates) employment status, or the players being sold or contracts being changed. So why just let the season drift into nothing. I am not having a go at Dean under the circumstances I don't think he has done to bad, and could any manager have done any better with the horrific injury list we had, and the tough fixtures against teams who still had lots to play for. The players seemed to like him I think the goal celebrations and high fives amongst the coaches and players seem to back up that. I just feel that if we had employed someone earlier (whoever it would have been) it would have given the new man 2-3 months to look at the squad, put his own stamp on his own training and coaching techniques and regime, had a good look at the coaching and backroom staff and then done what he felt was right in the close season to push us on again. Instead we have drifted to the end of season nothing to play for, for the last half a dozen games as usual. Poor leadership and poor business sense in my opinion from the board and S.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 ....only if they think it won't harm their reputation.... our size and relative budget in League 1 makes it harder for them to succeed.... so they will be wary. A 32 year old in his first job just did reasonably well and moved up the food chain on the back of it. Then again, maybe that's part of the problem - imagine being an experienced manager and not doing as well as your 32 year old, first job predecessor did...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Who have we ever appointed who didn't have a positive reputation? Even Penney had been successful previously. As had Moore, Talbot, Warnock. Wadsworth had a good reputation. Dowie was well respected despite it being his first job. As was Sheridan. We were ecstatic with Ritchie. Dickov and Johnson's credentials were about as good as they could be for a first job.... Who'd have thought Sharp would be such a flop. Someone like Yates would be the first appointment in my lifetime who didn't have a positive reputation, despite the efforts of some on here to contrive to give him one..... But maybe that's the answer - we've tried every other option, let's give it to some loser who couldn't even get up from League 2 in five years of trying..... I disagree Harry.... Sharp, Ritchie, Dowie, Sheridan, Dickov had all been successful players.... but we're managerial unknowns and I'm talking about managerial reputations, so none of these count. Penney had been successful at Donny.... but was now lower down the league structure at Darlington. Talbot had failed at West Brom and was lower down the league structure at Rushden & Diamonds. Warnock has bee successful with Scarborough and Notts County.... but found himself lower down the league structure at Plymouth. He resurrected his reputation after he had left us for Bury don't forget. Arguably, only Moore came with a reputation still in-tact.... and he was hounded out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 ....only if they think it won't harm their reputation.... our size and relative budget in League 1 makes it harder for them to succeed.... so they will be wary. Does it though? Only relegation would be seen as failure. Anything bottom half is par for the course and anything top half could be seen as a success. Surely anyone reasonable would back themselves to get us top half? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Obviously speculating but If Yates is the next manager why the hell didn't we just appoint him when LJ left. Poor leadership and poor business sense in my opinion from the board and S.C. As per my post above cornishblue... "I get the impression that following past mistakes, Penney being the most obvious, Corney et al like to take their time to get to know an appointment via more than 1 formal interview and few informal meetings / chats....." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I disagree Harry.... Sharp, Ritchie, Dowie, Sheridan, Dickov had all been successful players.... but we're managerial unknowns and I'm talking about managerial reputations, so none of these count. Penney had been successful at Donny.... but was now lower down the league structure at Darlington. Talbot had failed at West Brom and was lower down the league structure at Rushden & Diamonds. Warnock has bee successful with Scarborough and Notts County.... but found himself lower down the league structure at Plymouth. He resurrected his reputation after he had left us for Bury don't forget. Arguably, only Moore came with a reputation still in-tact.... and he was hounded out. Hmmm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 A 32 year old in his first job just did reasonably well and moved up the food chain on the back of it. Then again, maybe that's part of the problem - imagine being an experienced manager and not doing as well as your 32 year old, first job predecessor did...... ...that's my point Harry.... rookie's [with little other option] can't pick and choose.... ...someone who has worked before and who's managerial reputation is still 'positive', will likely see it as too risky.....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Does it though? Only relegation would be seen as failure. Anything bottom half is par for the course and anything top half could be seen as a success. Surely anyone reasonable would back themselves to get us top half? I think I agree.... but does someone like an Adkins for instance [no matter how much be backs himself] want the risk of being near the bottom and possibly going down owing to things out of his control, such as a couple of bad injuries.... if he hangs on another 6 months, will Bolton offer him their job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I think I agree.... but does someone like an Adkins for instance [no matter how much be backs himself] want the risk of being near the bottom and possibly going down owing to things out of his control, such as a couple of bad injuries.... if he hangs on another 6 months, will Bolton offer him their job? Out of the list "names" there's only rosler I think is realistic. Adkins, Davies etc won't want or need it. But I think Rosler is achievable if we put our best salesman on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) Out of the list "names" there's only rosler I think is realistic. Adkins, Davies etc won't want or need it. But I think Rosler is achievable if we put our best salesman on it. Agreed. I assume that's what Hardy was doing on Saturday..... and who knows, maybe Rosler [who appears to be touring League 1 games currently] is mulling it over.... but it will come down to a combination of how much we're willing to pay him / he's willing to accept. How dirty he's prepared to get his hands - also remember he had a health scare in the not too recent past. How he weighs up his chance of success / not harming his reputation vs a 'better' job becoming available in the summer. I assume the timing of the Matt Chambers article suggests it looks unlikey, or else the club would still have been tight lipped. The fact that we've been fed the Holden vs Yates vs Ashworth story, means that's what we've got...! Edited April 17, 2015 by lookersstandandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Agreed. I assume that's what Hardy was doing on Saturday..... and who knows, maybe Rosler [who appears to be touring League 1 games currently] is mulling it over.... but it will come down to a combination of how much we're willing to pay him / he's willing to accept. How dirty he's prepared to get his hands - also remember he had a health scare in the not too recent past. How he weighs up his chance of success / not harming his reputation vs a 'better' job becoming available in the summer. I assume the timing of the Matt Chambers article suggests it looks unlikey, or else the club would still have been tight lipped. The fact that we've been fed the Holden vs Yates vs Ashworth story, means that's what we've got...! Unless such names have been released in order to smoke out some better names......??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simoncorneyisgod Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) Guys....there's only 92 FL jobs available.....92, you only have to look at the betting markets when jobs are available to see how many good quality managers are out of a job never mind the rest! Those that are happy to hang around and wait for the 'right' opportunity maybe doesn't have the self confidence to back their own ability and wants all the frilly bits (large back room staff, great facilities, transfer kitty) to support them......Alan Curbishley springs immediately to mind - not done a lot but expects a top end Prem Job. Kind of reminds me of a seasoned pro who is happy to sit in the reserves rather than go on loan. What do I want? someone who will get the best of out every £ he spends through man management....if that's Yates then so be it Edited April 17, 2015 by Simoncorneyisgod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Went to bed last night with all this talk about Warburton buy-out, Rosler is as manager etc. (where are these posters with this "source" now?) Day full of meetings so no chance to check news Got back, logged on and it's a three-way tussle between these three... totally and utterly underwhelmed Over 72 applicants and this it?! Clearly no manager budget of note so why all this talk of Dowie, Scholes etc by the club? Will always support the club but this is a massive opportunity missed if we don't get someone motivational and aspirational for this current crop of players All this talk, it was pie in the sky. You could not seriosuly beleive it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishblue Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I understand that bringing a so called big name doesn't guarantee success but at least it would show intent to other clubs and fans in the same league, and even potential new signings, but most of all it would bring a positive atmosphere, excite the fans and maybe put a few hundred more bums on seats for the foreseeable future anyway. However like it has been suggested on here already I don't think Matt Chambers wouldn't have been given permission to write or publish yesterdays article if there wasn't a lot of truth in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburbri Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 The chronicle published an article saying corney was going to quit after the ched debacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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