leeslover Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Why do we assume that it's easier to manage at a higher division? All things equal a striker who was good in a mid table Championship team should do well at our level but I don't know if it works for managers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) Why do we assume that it's easier to manage at a higher division? All things equal a striker who was good in a mid table Championship team should do well at our level but I don't know if it works for managers It's harder isn't it, as the other teams managers and players are better....? Or is it all relative? One thing's for certain - it's easier managing a team when you're given 5 years than only 1 or 2 years. And Yates still didn't achieve anything with Cheltenham. Edited April 17, 2015 by HarryBosch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I disagree Harry.... Sharp, Ritchie, Dowie, Sheridan, Dickov had all been successful players.... but we're managerial unknowns and I'm talking about managerial reputations, so none of these count. Penney had been successful at Donny.... but was now lower down the league structure at Darlington. Talbot had failed at West Brom and was lower down the league structure at Rushden & Diamonds. Warnock has bee successful with Scarborough and Notts County.... but found himself lower down the league structure at Plymouth. He resurrected his reputation after he had left us for Bury don't forget. Arguably, only Moore came with a reputation still in-tact.... and he was hounded out. Defintately agree with that. There were outcries for every one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 http://www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.com/latest-news/conference-premier-step-one/12314/alan-devonshire-parts-company-with-braintree-town/ This guy has done well at Braintree and has been approached by a club. Worked with limited resources and, I believe, he was a decent player back in his day. He may have some decent contacts... You have to say keeping Braintree up is an achievement, but nonetheless it feels like he had treaded water, they were already promoted. He's not achieved anything. But yet, you could imagine them plumetting now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Why do we assume that it's easier to manage at a higher division? All things equal a striker who was good in a mid table Championship team should do well at our level but I don't know if it works for managers It's no more or less easy to drive from Lands End to John O'Groats in a BMW or a Fiesta..... but one is more comfortable.... and the people at the other end will make a judgement on you dependent on which car you arrive in.....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 You have to say keeping Braintree up is an achievement, but nonetheless it feels like he had treaded water, they were already promoted. He's not achieved anything. But yet, you could imagine them plumetting now. The manager who took them up has been at Stortford for the last three and a halfseasons. He left because of a dispute about how much he could claim on mileage (allegedly). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Who? Warburton is independently wealthy as a former City trader.... Rosler won't be short of a few bob from his playing caereer and his pay off from Wigan... Adkins will still be counting his compo from Saints and Reading.... and isn't he a qualified Physio anyway... so won't be short of employment opportunities elsewhere... Dave Jones, Billy Davies won't be struggling to keep the lecky on either.... Out of work managers / would be managers who need income to survive.... will be coaches currently / rookies, failed elsewhere or lower league specialists....! Not so, even millionaires want to add to what they have got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 It's harder isn't it, as the other teams managers and players are better....? Or is it all relative? One thing's for certain - it's easier managing a team when you're given 5 years than only 1 or 2 years. And Yates still didn't achieve anything with Cheltenham. I meant harder but I'm not sure it is. The number of times you hear, "Even Mourinho couldn't," as if managing Real Madrid means he could easily get Shrewsbury promoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Not so, even millionaires want to add to what they have got. Not if it means working 10 hour days 6 days a week for £40k a year they don't......! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Not if it means working 10 hour days 6 days a week for £40k a year they don't......! Give me a million..I'd do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 It's no more or less easy to drive from Lands End to John O'Groats in a BMW or a Fiesta..... but one is more comfortable.... and the people at the other end will make a judgement on you dependent on which car you arrive in.....! We really do need to pin a Worst Ever Analogies thread on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I meant harder but I'm not sure it is. The number of times you hear, "Even Mourinho couldn't," as if managing Real Madrid means he could easily get Shrewsbury promoted. He'd get this side promoted. He's one of only a handful of managers worldwide you could say that about though. 90%+ of managerial success is down to luck and/or timing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Not if it means working 10 hour days 6 days a week for £40k a year they don't......! I'd imagine Gary Johnson is a millionaire, or not far off. Lee too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStationLatic Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 The chronicle published an article saying corney was going to quit after the ched debacle. Because Corney told the Chronicle he was going to quit after the Ched debacle... But changed his mind, via the club website, 12 or so hours later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I have a feeling Holden will get a 2 year deal after the weekend. No offence to Dean because he's a likeable chap but I fear it would be disastrous for season ticket sales...... I sincerely hope I'm wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburbri Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Because Corney told the Chronicle he was going to quit after the Ched debacle... But changed his mind, via the club website, 12 or so hours later. No it was the chron spouting off and getting it wrong like they usually do and corney and the club told us a hour later they were wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Why do we assume that it's easier to manage at a higher division? All things equal a striker who was good in a mid table Championship team should do well at our level but I don't know if it works for managers In an interview on Sky about who should get manager of the season, one of their pundits said that he thought Mourinho and Dyche wouldn't be able to do each others jobs. In that the Burnley manager would struggle to lead Chelsea to a title and Mourinho to keep Burnley up. That managers, up to a certain level, are not necessarily good or bad but are rather more or less suited to a particular job. You might be able to rank managers' attributes eg. those who can organise and lead a team to safety, like Pulis, but you can't just say 'he's a better manager than him' because management is a bit of a lottery in some ways and is more about how you fit a club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I'd imagine Gary Johnson is a millionaire, or not far off. Lee too. In equity terms maybe.... but not £1m+ sat in the bank doing sod all but earning interest to contribute to daily life......! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 We really do need to pin a Worst Ever Analogies thread on here Lol. I quite liked it.....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 No it was the chron spouting off and getting it wrong like they usually do and corney and the club told us a hour later they were wrong. No, it was an on record conversation. I know, I asked. I am a Corney supporter, he was entitled to feel bitter. He should have held back, but that is what you get. I'd take that any day. Storm in a teacup, both the Chron and the Club were right. All diffused. Heat of the moment stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) In an interview on Sky about who should get manager of the season, one of their pundits said that he thought Mourinho and Dyche wouldn't be able to do each others jobs. In that the Burnley manager would struggle to lead Chelsea to a title and Mourinho to keep Burnley up. That managers, up to a certain level, are not necessarily good or bad but are rather more or less suited to a particular job. You might be able to rank managers' attributes eg. those who can organise and lead a team to safety, like Pulis, but you can't just say 'he's a better manager than him' because management is a bit of a lottery in some ways and is more about how you fit a club. I agree. It works as a player, It works as an employee. It works for you and I. In all walks of live. It's a shame we can't get a few strikers that just fit with our club. Edited April 17, 2015 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStationLatic Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Agree with that too. Which is why when you look at Yates, he's the most logical fit for us. Experience on relatively low finance, experience of cup runs, experience of non-league and an eye for getting players and developing them. And the above point applies to players too and the connection with staff/tactics - like us with Kelly, Harkins and JCH to a degree, and the other way with 26-goal linked-with-Celtic Adam Rooney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markspark92 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Corney should offer Neil Redfearn the job, it's looking unlikely he's going to be at Leeds next season with his contract expiring, he's also had his assistant taken away from him by the clown of an owner and 6 first teamers have been told they can't play today, if we offered him the role here he could have full control of team affairs/transfers worth a punt ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Corney should offer Neil Redfearn the job, it's looking unlikely he's going to be at Leeds next season with his contract expiring, he's also had his assistant taken away from him by the clown of an owner and 6 first teamers have been told they can't play today, if we offered him the role here he could have full control of team affairs/transfers worth a punt ? He should. But until he's sacked he'll have to pay compensation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hands on Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 So the pitch for season ticket sales is not a new manager but moving fans from the Chaddy and creating a family and community section in the RRE. We lose our manager and over a hundred people apply. They know we are just a little club in the shadow of Manchester. They know about FFP and that there will be no money, or hardly any, to spend and their annual compensation will be much less than a premiership players weekly salary. Who were these people for us to end up with apparently where we are now? We know we won't keep anyone that is good and will keep anyone that fails just a bit too long so what is the difficulty? Is it that they want to sell the season tickets before telling us who they want? Announcement due 22nd May. Am I cynical, am I mad, will I still buy a season ticket in the shiny new North Stand - the OEC? Yes, Yes and Yes again. We are football supporters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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