HarryBosch Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Cornell was superb yesterday. Why has this not been mentioned by many, is it because he's not 'one of our own'? He conceded 4 goals......??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) Yes okay, have a look at the stats and get back to me. Do they have stats for communication & distribution for a keeper? Have you seen any stats on the keepers regarding anythin except for the goals conceded? He deserved to be dropped and rightly was! Even you can't argue that, unless you have inside knowledge of course... Both keepers are very much of a muchness anyway. Very similar so I don't see the problem. Edited October 11, 2015 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 The RRE looked busy on tv. This is the main positive of home games this season. It feels like we have a proper home end again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 This is the main positive of home games this season. It feels like we have a proper home end again. Only until nex..... What??....Oh...nothing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamoafc Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I think one thing the GK position is telling us is in truth is both keepers at the moment aren't ready to be number 1's. Coleman is poor when dealing with anything that comes in from a cross and the last few games he played teams crowded him out because they knew he was very poor at it. I would really love to know what the train at latics because I can't remember the last keeper to come on his line and collect a cross! He isn't a good communicator and his kicking is woeful. Cornell kicking is poor, talking isn't good but doesn't get bullied around crosses but saying that needs to come off his line a lot more. Think a decent experienced keeper now would help these two a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I think one thing the GK position is telling us is in truth is both keepers at the moment aren't ready to be number 1's. Coleman is poor when dealing with anything that comes in from a cross and the last few games he played teams crowded him out because they knew he was very poor at it. I would really love to know what the train at latics because I can't remember the last keeper to come on his line and collect a cross! He isn't a good communicator and his kicking is woeful. Cornell kicking is poor, talking isn't good but doesn't get bullied around crosses but saying that needs to come off his line a lot more. Think a decent experienced keeper now would help these two a lot. Some of the old goalkeeping tricks have gone, I remember no one would come anywhere near Peter McDonnell on set pieces or they risked a high knee in the goolies if challenging crosses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hometownclub Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Some of the old goalkeeping tricks have gone, I remember no one would come anywhere near Peter McDonnell on set pieces or they risked a high knee in the goolies if challenging crosses. Yes, I remember that, he always did it, opposition players used to give him a wide birth when he came for crosses, I don't know how he it got away with it looking back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) Yes, I remember that, he always did it, opposition players used to give him a wide birth when he came for crosses, I don't know how he it got away with it looking back. Harry Dowd also had an effective technique of collecting crosses with both elbows out wide, again players, including his own, would steer well clear of him on crosses. Both the keepers were naturals IMO and probably uncoached. The best at diving at feet was Chris Ogden, players got out of his way or risk being tossed 6ft in the air, he was a master of how he did it though and dont think he gave away pens. Edited October 12, 2015 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics_Fanatic Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Coleman conceded 9 in 4. 5 of which in one game without making any real saves of note in that period. Is it enough to be dropped for Cornell - I think so. Coleman did pull off some great saves in his games this season... Both keepers are on a similar level, I personally prefer Coleman, but i'd rather we got the defence sorted than started dicking about with the keepers again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Coleman did pull off some great saves in his games this season... Both keepers are on a similar level, I personally prefer Coleman, but i'd rather we got the defence sorted than started dicking about with the keepers again. He certainly has made some great saves but none if any real note after Fleetwood when he was superb. His form did drop after that though which is bound to happen, he is just a kid. As I said previously, both are much of a muchness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 If Coleman was dropped for shipping 5 we might well see Cornell dropped for shipping 4. And rightly so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channel M Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Darren Kelly said we have the best midfield in the division. David Dunn said we've got the two best goalkeepers in the division. We just need to get the best defence & attack and then we'll be champions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 Cornell has conceded 15 in 7 appearances from 38 shots on target. Coleman has conceded 10 in 6 appearances from 39 shots on target. Other than the Peterborough game Coleman was generally solid for me, he was particularly good against Shrewsbury and Fleetwood at home early on when we were under the cosh, I also remember him pulling off a couple of decent saves at Walsall and Colchester to save us a point, there probably isn't much between the two of them but based purely on stats Coleman can't be far away from a recall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 The grass isn't always greener. This could replace 'Keep the Faith' as the club motto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hometownclub Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Darren Kelly said we have the best midfield in the division. David Dunn said we've got the two best goalkeepers in the division. They were both wrong, Infact I would have to seriously doubt the judgement of anybody who made those statements and actually believed them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Cornell has conceded 15 in 7 appearances from 38 shots on target. Coleman has conceded 10 in 6 appearances from 39 shots on target. Other than the Peterborough game Coleman was generally solid for me, he was particularly good against Shrewsbury and Fleetwood at home early on when we were under the cosh, I also remember him pulling off a couple of decent saves at Walsall and Colchester to save us a point, there probably isn't much between the two of them but based purely on stats Coleman can't be far away from a recall. Agreed - fully expect Coleman to start against Sheffield United. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1onheartNew Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 We have 34 games to get 70 points which added to the 11 we already have should be more than enough for the play-offs. Sorry, I missed the sarcasm in the thread title... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1onheartNew Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) Yes, I remember that, he always did it, opposition players used to give him a wide birth when he came for crosses, I don't know how he it got away with it looking back. It was the beard. Scared the crap out of the refs. #fearthebeard Edited October 12, 2015 by L1onheartNew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1onheartNew Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 To be fair, we haven't had two keepers equally at the top of their games and equally as good as each other since Hallworth and Rhodes. I doubt that we will ever see competition for a keeper's jersey at such a high level at BP again. They raised each other's game week in, week out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 It was the beard. Scared the crap out of the refs. #fearthebeard True, you wouldn't argue with him, he certainly had presence, unlike many keepers today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 To be fair, we haven't had two keepers equally at the top of their games and equally as good as each other since Hallworth and Rhodes. I doubt that we will ever see competition for a keeper's jersey at such a high level at BP again. They raised each other's game week in, week out. Thought Hallworth was the better, how is it he missed out on the league cup final? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 If the three points for a win system hadn't been introduced, we'd have been level on points with the 13th placed club & only 4 points off the play-offs. See. You're all worrying too much. Nobheads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Thought Hallworth was the better, how is it he missed out on the league cup final? They were both great keepers and Rhodes was outstanding in the final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy55555 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 To be fair, we haven't had two keepers equally at the top of their games and equally as good as each other since Hallworth and Rhodes. I doubt that we will ever see competition for a keeper's jersey at such a high level at BP again. They raised each other's game week in, week out. Rhodes kicking was absymal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1onheartNew Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Rhodes kicking was absymal Agreed. Probably why Royle instructed him to throw it out...I have never seen a keeper able to pitch the ball with his arm further than he could kick it.His shot stopping ability was second to none though. Quite simply the best I have seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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