Lee Sinnott Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Top marks to Gerrard. He's come back into the side and we've stopped leaking silly goals... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said: Top marks to Gerrard. He's come back into the side and we've stopped leaking silly goals... Fair comment.....but to accommodate his strengths and weaknesses have we also gone a bit deeper and also play the ball forward a bit earlier and longer than we were doing and are therefore less potent going forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dec666 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, Magister said: Fair comment.....but to accommodate his strengths and weaknesses have we also gone a bit deeper and also play the ball forward a bit earlier and longer than we were doing and are therefore less potent going forward I don't think there's much truth to that at all. We probably created the most clear cut chances I've seen us create for years in the previous home game. Why would Gerrard need to drop deeper than Clarke, I reckon he's actually faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Magister said: Fair comment.....but to accommodate his strengths and weaknesses have we also gone a bit deeper and also play the ball forward a bit earlier and longer than we were doing and are therefore less potent going forward That comment smacks of someone looking to blame him no matter what he does. We've missed chance after chance in the last 2 games while looking solid at the back. Gardner was missing from midfield in one of those games but we still attempted to play football. If we had beaten Wimbeldon 4-0 nobody could have complained and we were a goal line clearance away from 3 points today. To blame one central defender for lack of potency is ridiculous. Edited November 25, 2017 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, palmer1 said: That comment smacks of someone looking to blame him no matter what he does. We've missed chance after chance in the last 2 games while looking solid at the back. Gardner was missing from midfield in one of those games but we still attempted to play football. If we had beaten Wimbeldon 4-0 nobody could have complained and we were a goal line clearance away from 3 points today. To blame one central defender for lack of potency is ridiculous. .....but to credit one goalkeeper with increasing our potency isn't equally ridiculous ? ......of course it isn't . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) We are missing Clarkes goals and he's scored some important ones, defensively Gerrard has been sound and doesn't give the ball away needlessy but for me Clarke is better in both boxes, can't argue that we've tightened up with him in there but Wimbledon offered zero going forward and along with Rochdale and Gillingham are propping up the wrong end of the table so I will reserve judgment until he's been suitably tested. Edited November 25, 2017 by yarddog73 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 21 minutes ago, Magister said: .....but to credit one goalkeeper with increasing our potency isn't equally ridiculous ? ......of course it isn't . I'm not sure of the point you are making to the one person who said it was ridiculous to make such claims about Placide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 minute ago, palmer1 said: I'm not sure of the point you are making to the one person who said it was ridiculous to make such claims about Placide? The point I am making is that a goalkeeper , like a wicketkeeper, can absolutely influence a teams approach , pace of attacking and yes potency ......and so too can a centre half captain...........and in both cases the influence can be to increase or diminish certain aspects including attacking potency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Magister said: The point I am making is that a goalkeeper , like a wicketkeeper, can absolutely influence a teams approach , pace of attacking and yes potency ......and so too can a centre half captain...........and in both cases the influence can be to increase or diminish certain aspects including attacking potency You must work for the civil service, thats just riddles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, Magister said: The point I am making is that a goalkeeper , like a wicketkeeper, can absolutely influence a teams approach , pace of attacking and yes potency ......and so too can a centre half captain...........and in both cases the influence can be to increase or diminish certain aspects including attacking potency I'll go back to my original point then. The point you are trying to make is a poor one. We created chance after chance, Davies and Doyle were culprits for missing them midweek. Today Doyle again and Menig should have done better. We should have won both games comfortably. So how is that Gerrards fault? And just for the crack how did Placide not influence it in a better way? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 On 8/12/2017 at 6:52 PM, Laticfanatic1 said: Gerrard needs dropping until he's lost atleast 2 stone. Get young Stott in with Clarke yeah that would be a great idea putting a youngster with an attitude and work rate problem in the team that has great cohesion at the moment why do you think hes still out on loan at a non league club having left the previous one under a cloud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 15 minutes ago, peanuts said: yeah that would be a great idea putting a youngster with an attitude and work rate problem in the team that has great cohesion at the moment why do you think hes still out on loan at a non league club having left the previous one under a cloud Doing ok though ( assuming he played) .....They won1-0 away at league leaders today......we lost to the leaders of that league about this time last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, Magister said: Doing ok though ( assuming he played) .....They won1-0 away at league leaders today......we lost to the leaders of that league about this time last year Your browser needs updating... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Glad I brought this back up again, anyway. FFS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Your browser needs updating... Oops yes.......just shows how much the Chron is being missed by us old sods.......I am worried that now hatched matched and dispatched has gone how I will know if I have died Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 It's simple enough, we know Gerrard can do a good job as a stopper in a deep lying back 4. Decent option to have and I think that was tactical against Wimbledon given the conditions (Green and Fane both sat deep most of the game as well). Clarke has made unusual mistakes this season and shouldn't be undroppable but he is still better than Gerrard at absolutely every aspect of playing football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 3 hours ago, leeslover said: but he is still better than Gerrard at absolutely every aspect of playing football. Apart from actually playing football. Gerrard can pass a ball. Clarke can't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 10 hours ago, Lee Sinnott said: Apart from actually playing football. Gerrard can pass a ball. Clarke can't... Gerrard is better than Clarke on the ball except for left foot, right foot, head and cock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simoncorneyisgod Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Wouldn't be surprised to see Clarke go in January given how well the side are doing and with Edmundson pulling up tress at Fylde he could slot in as back up quite easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 On 25/11/2017 at 11:39 PM, leeslover said: It's simple enough, we know Gerrard can do a good job as a stopper in a deep lying back 4. Decent option to have and I think that was tactical against Wimbledon given the conditions (Green and Fane both sat deep most of the game as well). Clarke has made unusual mistakes this season and shouldn't be undroppable but he is still better than Gerrard at absolutely every aspect of playing football. On 26/11/2017 at 3:23 AM, Lee Sinnott said: Apart from actually playing football. Gerrard can pass a ball. Clarke can't... Interesting how with Gerrard back in we're keeping clean sheets but the goals have dried up. Maybe just a coincidence, maybe not... Are we a bit "looser" at the back with Clarke there meaning teams come at us more leaving themselves more open? And Clarke has a goal in him whereas Gerrard doesn't (not for us so far anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 hour ago, HarryBosch said: Interesting how with Gerrard back in we're keeping clean sheets but the goals have dried up. Maybe just a coincidence, maybe not... Are we a bit "looser" at the back with Clarke there meaning teams come at us more leaving themselves more open? And Clarke has a goal in him whereas Gerrard doesn't (not for us so far anyway). Gerrards gone 104 games without a goal which is remarkable for a big old lump who puts himself about, he last scored in November 2013 and went 60 odd games without before that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 7 hours ago, HarryBosch said: Interesting how with Gerrard back in we're keeping clean sheets but the goals have dried up. Maybe just a coincidence, maybe not... Sample size too small. Reassess in Jan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Well Gerrard is suspended on sat, so we might quickly see. It may be that Clarke takes advantage of the opportunity like Gerrard has. For me, they are a pair now, and we interchange to get an extra season or two, if needed, out of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 11 hours ago, singe said: Well Gerrard is suspended on sat, so we might quickly see. It may be that Clarke takes advantage of the opportunity like Gerrard has. For me, they are a pair now, and we interchange to get an extra season or two, if needed, out of them. Apparently he is not suspended as one of his bookings was in the Checkatrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simoncorneyisgod Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 On 25/11/2017 at 9:02 PM, Magister said: The point I am making is that a goalkeeper , like a wicketkeeper, can absolutely influence a teams approach , pace of attacking and yes potency ......and so too can a centre half captain...........and in both cases the influence can be to increase or diminish certain aspects including attacking potency Is there not a Cricket forum you can go on anywhere Magister? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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