HarryBosch Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 1 hour ago, NewBlue said: You'd have thought Shez hadn't got a clue about the game with that midfield. As soon as I saw Banks and Gardner's names together I knew it was gonna be a shitshow. Baffling decision to play with two midfielders who can't tackle. But that was the least over run we've been against what should be the best side (& midfield) in the league....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvlatic Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, HarryBosch said: But that was the least over run we've been against what should be the best side (& midfield) in the league....? Least over run yes but the sacrifice was 1 up top with no support! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 (edited) When Gardner put a foot on it and we kept the ball on a couple of ocassions (literally two I think ) we looked alright I thought and carved out, or nealry carved out. a chance. When we hit it (or hurriedly got rid of it) long we were shite. Shite balls with players shite at getting on the end of such shite balls. Edited August 20, 2017 by HarryBosch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 22 minutes ago, HarryBosch said: But that was the least over run we've been against what should be the best side (& midfield) in the league....? Least overrun? They tore us apart like we weren't there for the first half an hour until they relented Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rteoafc Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 7 hours ago, welshgaz said: Shez has to shoulder a large chunk of the blame with some baffling tactical decisions so far this season. How you can line up in any game of football without a ball winner is crazy but to do against a very good side like Wigan even more so. His failure to sign a left back is a big problem too. Fane and Gardner would of given us a glimmer of hope and prevented their midfield runners coasting in without being tracked in the first half. Agree with all of this apart from signing a left back. We've got someone who can do that job more than adequately when he's not being played out of position in centre mid and, given the need to strengthen elsewhere there's enough cover through Stott and Wilson. Midfield is the huge problem; sort that out to get control of the ball and some decent service forward and we (hopefully) can get some goals from McLaughlan, Tope, Davies and Duffus (I'm resigned to Holloway never reaching double figures). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 12 minutes ago, rteoafc said: Midfield is the huge problem; sort that out to get control of the ball and some decent service forward and we (hopefully) can get some goals from McLaughlan, Tope, Davies and Duffus (I'm resigned to Holloway never reaching double figures). Lack of chances created is the problem. Midfield is part of that problem but so are the wingers - McLaughlin has been our least worst player but is still creating very little - and so is the lack of movement & intent from the strikers, not to mention Clarke aimlessly hoofing it forward all the time...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 36 minutes ago, HarryBosch said: When Gardner put a foot on it and we kept the ball on a couple of ocassions (literally two I think ) we looked alright I thought and carved out, or nealry carved out. a chance. When we hit it (or hurriedly got rid of it) long we were shite. Shite balls with players shite at getting on the end of such shite balls. And therein lies the problem and the solution!!! Gardner did what we all expected him to on hid debut (and in my opinion, better than I expected).......he passed long, he passed short, he tackled, he headed, he carried the ball, he defended and he made mistakes...............half of which we have expected from Banks but for over a season has failed dismally (as did Winchester before him). We need to settle on a system and get people into fit that system: Big Joe decided on two grafters who could play in the middle.......two out of Milligan, Henry, Bernard and Redfearn with two wingers in Adams and Holden. Graeme Sharp tried to emulate the Everton midfield at it's prime and, again in my opinion, worked because the players knew what was expected.........Halle (Stephens), Brennan (Sheedy), Henry and Snodin (Reid and Bracewell}. For too many seasons now, we've put up with players who can do a job in various positions.......which is why I find some of Sheridan signings baffling. I don't, for one minute, think the problem is purely down to money but more to trust......otherwise why bring back Davies.......a player with no form of scoring over the last two seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 3 hours ago, HarryBosch said: You don't think it means what a few mad Yanks pretended it meant for a short period of time do you? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 (edited) There was a moment in yesterday's game that summed up not just Ollie Banks but the whole team for me this season... Banks was challenging the last man for Wigan who had fallen. If Banks had taken the ball from the grounded defender he would have had opportunity to run through on on goal. Instead he was outmuscled from the ground with the defender coming away with the ball leaving Banks on his knees then chasing slowly ten yards in his wake... If this had occurred at the other end it would undoubtedly have ended with a shot at goal. We are not aggressive enough... Edited August 20, 2017 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, palmer1 said: There was a moment in yesterday's game that summed up not just Ollie Banks but the whole team for me this season... Banks was challenging the last man for Wigan who had fallen. If Banks had taken the ball from the grounded defender he would have had opportunity to run through on on goal. Instead he was outmuscled from the ground with the defender coming away with the ball leaving Banks on his knees then chasing slowly ten yards in his wake... If this had occurred at the other end it would undoubtedly have ended with a shot at goal. We are not aggressive enough... Forget "aggressive enough" .....try good enough instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Magister said: Forget "aggressive enough" .....try good enough instead These players have proved in the 2nd half if last season that are good enough as a group to compete and be comfortable in this league. This season we no longer press, we don't seem to tackle and we aren't getting in our opponents faces enough. We let teams dictate and play, we stand off. Yesterday at times they bullied us. We are a soft touch! Very worryingly Clarke & Gerrard have to be included in that description also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, Magister said: Forget "aggressive enough" .....try good enough instead I'd settle for competent enough if I'm honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary1906 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 11 hours ago, HarryBosch said: Most importantly though he knows what to do and will turn it round once his brinkmanship with Corney comes to an end. A manager playing brinkmanship with his chairman usually only has one outcome in the long run ........... taxi for Shez!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 8 hours ago, palmer1 said: These players have proved in the 2nd half if last season that are good enough as a group to compete and be comfortable in this league. This season we no longer press, we don't seem to tackle and we aren't getting in our opponents faces enough. We let teams dictate and play, we stand off. Yesterday at times they bullied us. We are a soft touch! Very worryingly Clarke & Gerrard have to be included in that description also. These players scored 11 goals in the last 15 games of last season, the last 6 away games yielded 2 points and one goal....and now from that team we have lost our 3 most effective plays, the keeper, the top scorer and the one which saved us and masked our inadequacy..the pitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midsblue Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Was signing Clarke & Gerrard on long-term a gamble too far and they're both unable to play together this season being a few months older and both slow anyway? Experience is crucial so perhaps bring in a more mobile defender in a back three or alternate the two of them in a back four?! Lets see what this week brings in respect of recruitment.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, Magister said: These players scored 11 goals in the last 15 games of last season, the last 6 away games yielded 2 points and one goal....and now from that team we have lost our 3 most effective plays, the keeper, the top scorer and the one which saved us and masked our inadequacy..the pitch Interesting selective stats. In the last 15 games of the season we got 22 points. Mid table form over a season. 6 of those came away from home. Lower table (but not relegation) form over a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 5 hours ago, Gary1906 said: A manager playing brinkmanship with his chairman usually only has one outcome in the long run ........... taxi for Shez!!! Corney wouldn't dare because the pace for him to go would really pick up if Shez walked or was pushed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary1906 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 15 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: Corney wouldn't dare because the pace for him to go would really pick up if Shez walked or was pushed. I'm not necessarily saying that Corney would sack him but if Shez is 'banging heads' with him, wanting more funds when there aren't any, then he'll probably walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Gary1906 said: I'm not necessarily saying that Corney would sack him but if Shez is 'banging heads' with him, wanting more funds when there aren't any, then he'll probably walk. Walk to where? Oldham is his only option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 20 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Walk to where? Oldham is his only option. Its no wonder he always sounds depressed if that's the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 42 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: Corney wouldn't dare because the pace for him to go would really pick up if Shez walked or was pushed. Not sure anyone has the enthusiasm anymore to pick up the pace for him to go, to be honest. Shez is on a two year deal, isn't he? Can't see Shez resigning yet as he'd miss out on a pay-off and Corney wouldn't sack him, because he'd have to pay him off... ...so we might as well stop all this talk of Shez leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, JoeP said: Not sure anyone has the enthusiasm anymore to pick up the pace for him to go, to be honest. Shez is on a two year deal, isn't he? Can't see Shez resigning yet as he'd miss out on a pay-off and Corney wouldn't sack him, because he'd have to pay him off... ...so we might as well stop all this talk of Shez leaving. I agree apathy has well and truly set in at every level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 40 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: I agree apathy has well and truly set in at every level. I don't care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tGWB Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 12 hours ago, mikejh45 said: And therein lies the problem and the solution!!! Gardner did what we all expected him to on hid debut (and in my opinion, better than I expected).......he passed long, he passed short, he tackled, he headed, he carried the ball, he defended and he made mistakes...............half of which we have expected from Banks but for over a season has failed dismally (as did Winchester before him). We need to settle on a system and get people into fit that system: Big Joe decided on two grafters who could play in the middle.......two out of Milligan, Henry, Bernard and Redfearn with two wingers in Adams and Holden. Graeme Sharp tried to emulate the Everton midfield at it's prime and, again in my opinion, worked because the players knew what was expected.........Halle (Stephens), Brennan (Sheedy), Henry and Snodin (Reid and Bracewell}. For too many seasons now, we've put up with players who can do a job in various positions.......which is why I find some of Sheridan signings baffling. I don't, for one minute, think the problem is purely down to money but more to trust......otherwise why bring back Davies.......a player with no form of scoring over the last two seasons. Agree with mikejh45 We need a system (the Oldham Way) which should start as a minimum of being hard to beat at Boundary Park You don't have to be a 'Football Genius' to work out that Home form is the only way to keep our current fan base and hopefully attract back some of our drifting supporters The Club should then find it easier to find players who simply are the natural type of player who will fit into 'the Oldham Way' and hate losing Teams should dread playing against us at Boundary Park because we refuse to be beaten Long journey this but we have to start somewhere because we are going nowhere currently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hands on Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I did text a friend with the idea that the only way you can explain what is happening is that Shez wants the sack. We shall see when we have gone nine without winning because that is the direction we are going in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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