Bristolatic Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 hour ago, leeslover said: If only there was one who could do both... Tarkowski? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozman Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I think the bottom line is that, whilst there are a few debatable selections, the majority of that squad picks itself. The lack of depth in England is really brought in to focus by this list I saw earlier of some of the players France have left out. Benzema Payet Martial Lacazette Laporte Coman Gignac Rabiot Ben Yedder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, Bristolatic said: Tarkowski? Never lost a header and perhaps a better passer than anyone in that squad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 39 minutes ago, leeslover said: Never lost a header and perhaps a better passer than anyone in that squad Exactly. If Stones was worth £50M, what's Tarky worth? And, for me, Jones is an average Championship player. As bozman and others have said, it shows how little we have to pick from these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 7 hours ago, deyres42 said: Surely that is more down to the money though, plenty went to Italy in the 80s/early 90s when the lure of the lira was strong. Plenty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 4 hours ago, oafc_lover said: Gone are the days of the proper English centre back now I think. All people want now is one that can pass out from the back. Wingers are extinct so no need for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 6 hours ago, Dave_Og said: Plenty? I can think of more than a handful so that constitutes plenty in my humble opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 hour ago, deyres42 said: I can think of more than a handful so that constitutes plenty in my humble opinion. Platt, Gazza. Who else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Blissett. Anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Full list on Wikipedia but there was Mark Hateley, Ray Wilkins, Paul Ince etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Maybe things are turning; Lookman, Sancho... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Heck C-Beck Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 I don't think the squad is as bad as people are making out. Sterling and Walker have had a good season at the run away champions and Delph and Stones have played their part too. Henderson is captain of one of the European Cup finalists. Plus you have some good players from United and Tottenham in there too, especially Kane. I doubt we will win it but we have enough quality to give any team a good game. It is pleasing to see some younger players in the squad and no Joe Hart is always a bonus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngen Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, Oh Heck C-Beck said: I don't think the squad is as bad as people are making out. Sterling and Walker have had a good season at the run away champions and Delph and Stones have played their part too. Henderson is captain of one of the European Cup finalists. Plus you have some good players from United and Tottenham in there too, especially Kane. I doubt we will win it but we have enough quality to give any team a good game. It is pleasing to see some younger players in the squad and no Joe Hart is always a bonus! I agree with this, although it would have been nicer to see the likes of Cahill and Ashley Young left out for the likes of Tarkowski and Sessegnon/Bertrand and just made sure we got the young lads some tournament experience who will be in and around the squad in 2/4 years. No way are we expected to win this, and then the pressure would have been massively off, and they could have surprised us. Overall though, its not that ridiculous a squad with the crap that we do have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Can't say I agree with this idea of throwing the kids in I'm not sure the Likes of Phil Foden Sessegnon and Solanke would benefit from just going and not playing they will be ready in time don't worry and I'm sure they will get their chance. Can't say taking Theo Walcott to the WC in 2006 did him much good really. We are what we are which is a side that if it punched its weight could get to the quarter finals. One thing that hasn't been mentioned we are taking 6 full backs Trippier, Alexander Arnold, Walker, Young, Delph, and Rose. You would think if thats the case we must be looking at playing 3 at the back with wing backs pushed on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 minute ago, GlossopLatic said: Can't say I agree with this idea of throwing the kids in I'm not sure the Likes of Phil Foden Sessegnon and Solanke would benefit from just going and not playing they will be ready in time don't worry and I'm sure they will get their chance. Can't say taking Theo Walcott to the WC in 2006 did him much good really. We are what we are which is a side that if it punched its weight could get to the quarter finals. One thing that hasn't been mentioned we are taking 6 full backs Trippier, Alexander Arnold, Walker, Young, Delph, and Rose. You would think if thats the case we must be looking at playing 3 at the back with wing backs pushed on. Aye, I reckon he fancies Walker's pace in a back three. Delph and Young are somewhat flexible as well with regards to position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 hour ago, youngen said: I agree with this, although it would have been nicer to see the likes of Cahill and Ashley Young left out for the likes of Tarkowski and Sessegnon/Bertrand and just made sure we got the young lads some tournament experience who will be in and around the squad in 2/4 years. No way are we expected to win this, and then the pressure would have been massively off, and they could have surprised us. Overall though, its not that ridiculous a squad with the crap that we do have. Bertrand is 28.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 (edited) Watching two centre backs in the cup final. Both are in the England squad. Cahill looking somewhere near his best, Jones looking... somewhere near his best too? Edited May 19, 2018 by TheBigDog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Phil Jones doing everything he can in the FA Cup final to prove selecting the donkey was a mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 And what has happened to Rashford? Confidence is shot to bits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossleyblue Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 36 minutes ago, Buckshawlatic said: Phil Jones doing everything he can in the FA Cup final to prove selecting the donkey was a mistake Correct - the clogger is only in the squad because of who he plays for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, mossleyblue said: Correct - the clogger is only in the squad because of who he plays for. You almost hope that he picks up an injury in the upcoming friendlies ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Problem with Jones, is that he's not improved one iota in the 7(?) years he's been at OT. He was average at best then, and now he's <insert description here>. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Bristolatic said: Problem with Jones, is that he's not improved one iota in the 7(?) years he's been at OT. He was average at best then, now he looks like Beaker from the Muppet Show. FTFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Bristolatic said: Problem with Jones, is that he's not improved one iota in the 7(?) years he's been at OT. He was average at best then, and now he's <insert description here>. Oddly enough Fergie said in 2013 that he could turn out to be the best player Man Utd ever had..... Looks like he retired at the right time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 17 hours ago, TheBigDog said: And what has happened to Rashford? Confidence is shot to bits. You have to blame Mourinho for his lack of confidence. Rashford's favoured position is hybrid left winger/inside left so he can cut in and shoot with his right........as against Liverpool. What did the thick Portuguese fellah do......drop him to accommodate Sanchez and then bit part plays him on the right followed by heavy criticism when team doesn't score. The same also applies to Shaw who I think is a better attacking wing back than Young who flies down the wing and stops when a defender confronts him only to pass it back or sideways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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