BP1960 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, JoeP said: Got a problem with the journalist there, I reckon. Given there was no fans in the ground, I'm not sure who the people were who "raised a few eyebrows..". Many fans will have watched on ifollow I suspect and reacted on social media after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 19 hours ago, SweeperKeeper said: Hamer, Jameson, Piergianni, Garrity, Grant: non-league standard, and that's where they'll take us. 18 hours ago, TheBigDog said: Not sure why you have put Piergianni in there? I thought that he played well again tonight. Oh hello... Piergianni in the Team of the Week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Maybury said that the way they play (pressing) is too much for some of them at the moment, hence the changes. Rowe ran around a lot and did what the manager wanted on Saturday, but he doesn't need to do that. Let him play his own game, and he can play every game. I didn't see a lot of pressing last night, just the usual passing the ball to he opposition. Dearnley's goal was class. The way he dragged it round and completely beat the defender, then had time to pick his spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, al_bro said: Maybury said that the way they play (pressing) is too much for some of them at the moment, hence the changes. Rowe ran around a lot and did what the manager wanted on Saturday, but he doesn't need to do that. Let him play his own game, and he can play every game. I didn't see a lot of pressing last night, just the usual passing the ball to he opposition. Dearnley's goal was class. The way he dragged it round and completely beat the defender, then had time to pick his spot. Can only wonder why the coaches want to play in a style that is to much for the players in their squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 14 hours ago, al_bro said: Maybury said that the way they play (pressing) is too much for some of them at the moment... 13 hours ago, Dave_Og said: Can only wonder why the coaches want to play in a style that is to much for the players in their squad. For me, the key words in Maybury’s comments quoted by @al_bro above are: ‘at the moment’ - which suggests to me that a pressing game is the way the coaching staff want to play but that some of the players are not yet fit enough to be playing this style twice a week. The tactics employed in football will change as new approaches are used by coaches and found to bring a competitive advantage. These new styles of play are then adopted, as we have seen, throughout the league structure. Playing out from the back is a good example - not many teams were playing this way a couple of seasons back but football evolves. However, as you rightly question @Dave_Og, sometimes players are not suited to playing a specific style of play. And the aforementioned ‘playing out from the back’ is simply not the way to go for some more limited defenders. That’s when a tactic should be discontinued. Fitness however can can be improved and maybe that’s why coaches persist with a pressing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 46 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: For me, the key words in Maybury’s comments quoted by @al_bro above are: ‘at the moment’ - which suggests to me that a pressing game is the way the coaching staff want to play but that some of the players are not yet fit enough to be playing this style twice a week. The tactics employed in football will change as new approaches are used by coaches and found to bring a competitive advantage. These new styles of play are then adopted, as we have seen, throughout the league structure. Playing out from the back is a good example - not many teams were playing this way a couple of seasons back but football evolves. However, as you rightly question @Dave_Og, sometimes players are not suited to playing a specific style of play. And the aforementioned ‘playing out from the back’ is simply not the way to go for some more limited defenders. That’s when a tactic should be discontinued. Fitness however can can be improved and maybe that’s why coaches persist with a pressing game. City have spent millions on a keeper and defenders who can play out from the back. Our lot can barely string a pass together, playing out from the back is just inviting pressure we cant deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, latics22 said: City have spent millions on a keeper and defenders who can play out from the back. Our lot can barely string a pass together, playing out from the back is just inviting pressure we cant deal with. So let’s kick it 70 yards to them , cut out 4 of our players from the game , negate any chance of creating anything ourselves, hope for a lucky knock on .......we kick off at 3.00 on a Saturday afternoon not 10.30 on a Sunday morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 It's a simple game made complicated by coaches wanting players to do things they aren't capable of. In 1966 had Alf Ramsy tried to make his players pass the ball around like Brazilains we wouldn"t have won World Cup. Chuck the trendy coaching manuals in the nearest canal and get back to playing to the strengths of the players you have. Bahamboula is an example, he's an off the cuff player who runs centrally directly at defenders, don't shove him wide and starve him of the ball as we saw against Carlisle, yes he will lose the ball occasionally, but if players are covering to pick up the pieces that's the way to go. Similarly, feed the ball to Rowe, Dearnley and McAleny around the penalty area not wide, the all good finishers so play to their strengths. This team isn't capable of keep ball so go direct and forget the sideways backwards passing of the Premier league. I await the response of purists now who will tell me Latics must follow the latest elite club coaching trends as its successful for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, BP1960 said: It's a simple game made complicated by coaches wanting players to do things they aren't capable of. In 1966 had Alf Ramsy tried to make his players pass the ball around like Brazilains we wouldn"t have won World Cup. Chuck the trendy coaching manuals in the nearest canal and get back to playing to the strengths of the players you have. Bahamboula is an example, he's an off the cuff player who runs centrally directly at defenders, don't shove him wide and starve him of the ball as we saw against Carlisle, yes he will lose the ball occasionally, but if players are covering to pick up the pieces that's the way to go. Similarly, feed the ball to Rowe, Dearnley and McAleny around the penalty area not wide, the all good finishers so play to their strengths. This team isn't capable of keep ball so go direct and forget “ feed the ball to Rowe Dearnley and McAleny”......how exactly is a team “ who aren’t capable of keep ball“ and who should “ go direct “ going to do that? .....I remember the dinosaurs of 1966 mocking trendy wingless wonders tactics..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 20 minutes ago, Behind Closed Doors said: So let’s kick it 70 yards to them , cut out 4 of our players from the game , negate any chance of creating anything ourselves, hope for a lucky knock on .......we kick off at 3.00 on a Saturday afternoon not 10.30 on a Sunday morning. Direct football isn't long ball kick and rush, didn't Big Joe carve a successful team out of team who didn't pass sideways and backwards? No one wants us to play hoofball, but we do have a lot of direct runners the squad so make full use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, BP1960 said: It's a simple game made complicated by coaches wanting players to do things they aren't capable of. In 1966 had Alf Ramsy tried to make his players pass the ball around like Brazilains we wouldn"t have won World Cup. Chuck the trendy coaching manuals in the nearest canal and get back to playing to the strengths of the players you have. Bahamboula is an example, he's an off the cuff player who runs centrally directly at defenders, don't shove him wide and starve him of the ball as we saw against Carlisle, yes he will lose the ball occasionally, but if players are covering to pick up the pieces that's the way to go. Similarly, feed the ball to Rowe, Dearnley and McAleny around the penalty area not wide, the all good finishers so play to their strengths. This team isn't capable of keep ball so go direct and forget the sideways backwards passing of the Premier league. I await the response of purists now who will tell me Latics must follow the latest elite club coaching trends as its successful for them. 'Go direct' lose the header to a defender and lose possession??? We are already doing that. Just keep the ball away from Pidge, everybody else can pass the ball like normal players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Direct football isn't long ball kick and rush, didn't Big Joe carve a successful team out of team who didn't pass sideways and backwards? No one wants us to play hoofball, but we do have a lot of direct runners the squad so make full use them. Who are the direct runners ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 Ahh, I get you. So how do we get the ball to WamBaham wo passing it? Pick it up and run with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Monty Burns said: 'Go direct' lose the header to a defender and lose possession??? We are already doing that. Just keep the ball away from Pidge, everybody else can pass the ball like normal players. Oh dear....I am on the same page as Monty! This might not end well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Behind Closed Doors said: Who are the direct runners ? Bahamboula and Dearnley I'd say. I get what BP means, but he is over simplifying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Just now, Behind Closed Doors said: “ feed the ball to Rowe Dearnley and McAleny”......how exactly is a team “ who aren’t capable of keep ball“ and who should “ go direct “ going to do that? .....I remember the dinosaurs of 1966 mocking trendy wingless wonders It's a myth fans mocked the wingless wonders, I was a young dinosaur back then and was glad Ramsey played to the strengths of the players at his disposal, if he'd had wingers like the Brazilians you can bet he'd have played them, but he hadn't so adapted accordingly. I say again play in a style which suits the players and not alien to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Behind Closed Doors said: Oh dear....I am on the same page as Monty! This might not end well It's jus bc you have woken up in a positive mood, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Behind Closed Doors said: Who are the direct runners ? Bahamboula, Dearnley and McAleny, just give them the ball to feet and let them do the business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 We all agree, in principle. Keep the ball on the floor, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 The game has changed massively and 3 significant reasons are the quality of the playing surfaces....meaning you can pass with confidence anywhere on the field the removal of the back pass to the keeper....meaning you can press high up the field without the other team having an easy out a dead ball kick does not have to leave the penalty and the opposition cannot enter it until the ball is played .....where else on the pitch can you guarantee one of your players having the ball with 12 yards of space. games evolve, ...not so long ago a cricketer getting out reverse sweeping would find himself patrolling the third man boundary in a second team game at Castleton Moor.....it is now a go to shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 I reck BCD's account has been hacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, BP1960 said: It's a myth fans mocked the wingless wonders, I was a young dinosaur back then and was glad Ramsey played to the strengths of the players at his disposal, if he'd had wingers like the Brazilians you can bet he'd have played them, but he hadn't so adapted accordingly. I say again play in a style which suits the players and not alien to them. I don’t think passing and moving should be alien to players whose job it is to be full time footballers ...and in particularly the likes of Dearnly Whelan McAleny Jamboti CBJ Bahamboula who were brought up in elite academies will have done little else Now Pidge is a different matter though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 I don’t understand why we can’t just have a front three of McAleny Rowe and Dearnley. Rather than pissing around with Dunn, Blackwood and Grant. Get them there up top, french lad behind them. Whelan and Leeds lad/Garrity/ Ntambwe. Then anyone other than Hamer in the back 4. Good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 I 3 minutes ago, Behind Closed Doors said: The game has changed massively and 3 significant reasons are the quality of the playing surfaces....meaning you can pass with confidence anywhere on the field the removal of the back pass to the keeper....meaning you can press high up the field without the other team having an easy out a dead ball kick does not have to leave the penalty and the opposition cannot enter it until the ball is played .....where else on the pitch can you guarantee one of your players having the ball with 12 yards of space. games evolve, ...not so long ago a cricketer getting out reverse sweeping would find himself patrolling the third man boundary in a second team game at Castleton Moor.....it is now a go to shot I don't see the superior quality of the current BP surface improving the passing of our players, I've seen better distribution on the dust bowls and mud heaps we had before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Clarke alongside Wheater would be a great CB partnership. The experienced head alongside a promising youngster which is a successful method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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