tGWB Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Makes sense. But then if it's right it would be first time that's been the case for anything connected with the club for a long while tbh Dave when you think what the North Stand was originally intended to be, which was to generate revenue for the club on non match days as well as games, its up there as one of the clubs biggest disappointments I dont begrudge anyone making a living through their skills and labour but I cant help feeling the success of the OEC will be stifled by the state the club is in and where it seems to be heading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 14 minutes ago, tGWB said: It reads as simple as; Blitz Gazal and Kocerhan have resigned as Directors of the Oldham Event Centre, likely a small loss making business Blitz and Gazal own the North Stand Brooke Dennis and Whitehead see the OEC has having potential, have likely struck a deal on purchasing the business assets and will pay rent to Brassbank Natural progression as Brooke and Whitehead were managing the OEC day to day anyway werent they If its bigger than that am sure it will be announced in the local press soon Yes. They’ve finally done what they said was imminent (and the first step to purchasing the stand) about two years ago. Reading some of this now is quite amusing (not really). https://d3d4football.com/fan-led-group-unveil-their-plans-for-oldham-athletic/ https://boundaryparkpurchase.home.blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 13 minutes ago, tGWB said: I dont begrudge anyone making a living through their skills and labour but I cant help feeling the success of the OEC will be stifled by the state the club is in and where it seems to be heading Do you begrudge Blitz making money from it? The two things can’t be separated can they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticsmarra Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 hour ago, kowenicki said: Agreed. The characters involved shouldn’t fill anyone with even an ounce of confidence. Why dont you volunteer to help them I am sure you could give them a lift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tGWB Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 13 minutes ago, kowenicki said: Do you begrudge Blitz making money from it? The two things can’t be separated can they? Blitz & Co came to move our Home and make £bundles by building a retail park, hotel etc on the land They messed that bit of their plan up They then built the North Stand which could have turned our club around with non match day revenue streams They messed that up Theyre sat at the other side of the world with a depreciating asset in Oldham, one the UKs poorest towns with little hope of recovering their investment and with an unreliable tenant as in our clubs owner. They even messed that up Theyre not making any money but tbf might well have made a few quid on the houses around the stadium but its most certainly not enough to offset the grief of being involved with Latics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, laticsmarra said: Why dont you volunteer to help them I am sure you could give them a lift Why would he volunteer to help Blitz or the FLG both separate entities to the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, laticsmarra said: Why dont you volunteer to help them I am sure you could give them a lift What a weird thing to say. I think you misunderstand me. I don’t particularly want it to do well. Why would I? I have no interest in the OEC and no interest in funding Blitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Chaddyexile84 said: Why would he volunteer to help Blitz or the FLG both separate entities to the club? Bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, tGWB said: Blitz & Co came to move our Home and make £bundles by building a retail park, hotel etc on the land They messed that bit of their plan up They then built the North Stand which could have turned our club around with non match day revenue streams They messed that up Theyre sat at the other side of the world with a depreciating asset in Oldham, one the UKs poorest towns with little hope of recovering their investment and with an unreliable tenant as in our clubs owner. They even messed that up Theyre not making any money but tbf might well have made a few quid on the houses around the stadium but its most certainly not enough to offset the grief of being involved with Latics You haven’t really answered my question. OEC are tenants and therefore presumably paying rent to Blitz (if they aren’t then that’s even more suspicious). So why would I support a private company trying to make money and paying rent to Blitz. That’s arguably even more worthy of a boycott than the football in my opinion… at least I have an interest in the team. Nah. I can’t support the OEC as it supports Blitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticsmarra Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 14 minutes ago, laticsmarra said: Why dont you volunteer to help them I am sure you could give them a lift I dont think it helps anyone by questioning the abilities of "the characters involved". It is time to all pull together and try to pull all the strings together in securing a better future for the club as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, laticsmarra said: I dont think it helps anyone by questioning the abilities of "the characters involved". It is time to all pull together and try to pull all the strings together in securing a better future for the club as a whole. Eh? Why do I want to pull together with people running a private hospitality business inside the stand? It’s a private enterprise that has nothing to do with the club. It’s just a tenant of Blitz paying him rent. Should I rally round and support the Gym owners too? You’ll need to explain what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tGWB Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, kowenicki said: You haven’t really answered my question. OEC are tenants and therefore presumably paying rent to Blitz (if they aren’t then that’s even more suspicious). So why would I support a private company trying to make money and paying rent to Blitz. That’s arguably even more worthy of a boycott than the football in my opinion… at least I have an interest in the team. Nah. I can’t support the OEC as it supports Blitz. I didnt intentionally avoid your question I have only been in the North Stand 3 times A Trust meeting, a FLG meeting and an Andy Ritchie / Darren Sheridan evening Thought the place was fairly basic with columns smack bang in the middle of the ‘conference’ area Anyway to answer your question I see Blitz, Gazal and the OEC as one and the same, so if my personal boycott of Home games changed, I wont be utilising the North Stand facilities Saying that, if either parties make a positive contribution to the wellbeing of our club, I will reconsider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 hour ago, kowenicki said: Agreed. The characters involved shouldn’t fill anyone with even an ounce of confidence. What do you know about the characters that make you say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said: What do you know about the characters that make you say that? Just what I can read (history on companies house of two of them is poor at best) and have observed during the FLG debacle and the sucking up to Blitz on a podcast. I might be wrong. I might be being unfair. Just doesn’t smell right to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, kowenicki said: Just what I can read (history on companies house of two of them is poor at best) and have observed during the FLG debacle and the sucking up to Blitz on a podcast. I might be wrong. I might be being unfair. Just doesn’t smell right to me. Really? You seem quite certain given you don’t know them then? I don’t know them well either, but couldn’t be certain either way. I do however suspect they care about Oldham Athletic, which is more than you can say for Mssrs Blitz, Lemsagam A & Lemsagam M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Before jumping to the inevitable negative conclusions perhaps we should consider it could be the start of something much bigger. Even though at face value it could be classed as slightest concerning IMO it is definitely favourable to AL getting his grubby hands on it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said: Really? You seem quite certain given you don’t know them then? I don’t know them well either, but couldn’t be certain either way. I do however suspect they care about Oldham Athletic, which is more than you can say for Mssrs Blitz, Lemsagam A & Lemsagam M. They are quite matey with Blitz though… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, oafc1955 said: Before jumping to the inevitable negative conclusions perhaps we should consider it could be the start of something much bigger. Even though at face value it could be classed as slightest concerning IMO it is definitely favourable to AL getting his grubby hands on it!! I don’t think he wants the OEC company, why would he. He wants the stand. They would then be tenants of his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Just now, kowenicki said: They are quite matey with Blitz though… …yeah, on face value it looks that way…. But it could also be a means to an end….? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said: …yeah, on face value it looks that way…. But it could also be a means to an end….? Well, if they have access to the £7m* good luck to them. I genuinely wish them well for the good of the club. *which, when discussed at the presentation was communicated as… “Mr Whitehead stressed was at a significant discount due to his relationship with Mr Gazal and Mr Blitz“. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 24 minutes ago, kowenicki said: Just what I can read (history on companies house of two of them is poor at best) and have observed during the FLG debacle and the sucking up to Blitz on a podcast. I might be wrong. I might be being unfair. Just doesn’t smell right to me. I find that really disappointing for someone I see as generally quite sharp and rational. It's really not much of a basis to make such a definitive judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 They can’t be that tied in with Blitz if he was willing to bin them off for talks with Abdallah can they? Unless I’ve understood that situation wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 50 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: I find that really disappointing for someone I see as generally quite sharp and rational. It's really not much of a basis to make such a definitive judgement. If we had a perspective new buyer with their business track record you wouldn’t be leaping for joy. Be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 34 minutes ago, nzlatic said: They can’t be that tied in with Blitz if he was willing to bin them off for talks with Abdallah can they? Unless I’ve understood that situation wrong. I was just quoting Whitehead. He said they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 51 minutes ago, kowenicki said: Well, if they have access to the £7m* good luck to them. I genuinely wish them well for the good of the club. *which, when discussed at the presentation was communicated as… “Mr Whitehead stressed was at a significant discount due to his relationship with Mr Gazal and Mr Blitz“. As you know, I’ve always taken issue with the valuation. When I spoke to Swindon for the podcast, the County Ground valuation was £2.2m, for a similar footprint. The only difference was they didn’t have a new building on theirs with retail space and conference facilities. Even if Blitz wants his build cost back, it doesn’t come to £7m. However, one hopes that price is no longer what he’s asking for. Didn’t he agree in principle to sell it to Abdallah for £6m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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