oafcprozac Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Oh and Rubes is banned for Walsall. Sorry Shez said you'd be lucky to still be in a job by Chrimbo, and you've made the decisions that have put you in an untenable situation, time to fall on your sword. YET AGAIN leaving us with no plan b up front, shut the door on the way out. Take yer mates with yer. Gregan playing (who did ok) was a joke HTF can you drop a guy for 89 minutes? LIdds should have started, played well on Satdy and would have given us more balance. Allott? FFS, he had a good season last year but he's playing like the steaming pile of elephant dung he was last time he was here. Why not have the balls to involve young Eaves, at least name him on the bench. He's big and strong and let's face it anything would be better than Lewis 'I can't be arsed' Allessandra. Wolfy Tried but long balls MY arse Shez feckin' clueless. To think I gave up time I haven't got to watch that abject clueless, directionless performance. Moore was hounded out for better performances than that. Beg Philliskirk to take the job, time to instil direction into the club instead of a feckin' ditherer that establishes momentum then still can't decide what has got him to the top of the league and makes changes that aren't needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slash Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I wasn't trying to say he's a very good play. I was going for the opposite!!! What was wrong with Lomax and Eardley at full back? If it's not broke why fix it? P.s I know Eardley was on International Duty tonight before anyone points this out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoytonBlueLad Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Tonight was the inevitable consequence of decisions made by the manager earlier in the season and the stupidity of a bald, clearly not wired-up right striker on Saturday. I'm not going to criticise the fourteen players who pulled on the shirt tonight. It was simply a case of boys versus giants. We have gone from having assembled 'the best squad in recent hostory' to watching square pegs in round holes and the manager has to take full and total responsibility for that. John Sheridan should also apologise to everybody who will now be forced to go christmas shopping on November 29th. We have a winner. Amen to that. No more needs to be said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 What was wrong with Lomax and Eardley at full back? If it's not broke why fix it? Been saying that for weeks...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Well said Mickey. I can understand the frustration, but football matches can be won and lost (and management careers made or broken) on the smallest differences out there on the pitch. The same team and performance with one difference would have won the game comfortably tonight. That difference is Lee Hughes up front. No more, no less. As it was, their goal was charmed towards the end, their keeper played a blinder and they enjoyed a bit of luck. On another night, one or more of those chances would have gone in and we'd at least have had 30 minutes to rescue the tie. I'm not saying all is rosy, I'm just not quite as suicidal as some of you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrikkiNikki Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 A large squad that Sheridan didn't know what to do with. Turning point? The unexpected acquisition and inclusion of Jones, followed by the stupid (and unexpected) loaning out of two key players, whether they were first choice, or not. Why did Sheridan bring O'Grady in, then farm him out, replacing him with the loan of an aging, unfit striker? Why discard Davies? surely not on the strength of one stupid act of petulance? Stupid, stupid mistake!!!! Playing Gregan in midfield!! It didn't work last time, why do it again? With no cup action, we've only got the league to concentrate on. I can see another rant from Corney and a new manager on the horizon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyPimp Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) Sheridan is an alkali, he wears an alkali's hat, and when he saw a whiskey he said i fancy that Acidic comment! Edited November 18, 2008 by JohnnyPimp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Same :censored:, different season. Joys of supporting Oldham Athletic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martjs Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 You still can...we're not playing anyone that weekend now Thanks jss you made me laugh on a night when there isn't too much to laugh at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitygoo Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 OK - so my views on tonight.... I originally thought that Gregan in the middle of the park may help us against a side who just lumps the ball forward and is physical. I thought the combination of Maher/Allott/Gregan would be enough, but on the way to the ground i thought something else would be better......Cheltenham were never going to come and attack us down the wings. They were always going to launch balls as high and far as possible. For me, a back 3 would have been more appropriate with Jones and Taylor as wing backs. As it turned out, it probably would have worked better as Cheltenham don't play through the middle so it was a pointless excercise to stick an extra man in. Anyway, to the game. First up, i'll give my ratings: Crossley - not much to do, sometimes distribution is too slow - 6 Lomax - Pretty solid defensivly but didn't have to do that much! Distribution poor and doesn't overlap. 5 Hazell - Won balls in the air, and on the ground. - 6 Stam - Shakey. With clearences and tackles. Not a good performance at all - 5 (Liddell - worked hard. Finds good space but isn't always found by teammate. Still has quality but definatly best as a sub - 6) Jones - This guy is not a wing back. Defensivly very poor, gets caught too far forward and positionally poor. Not TOO bad going forward proving he's a winger and not a full back - 5 Gregan - Put himself about, worked hard. Looked better than in recent weeks but never a midfielder anymore! - 6 Maher - Didn't battle enough, didn't get control of the ball. Wasn't helped by long balls over top by both sides missing midfield out - 5 (Lee - i think he deserves a run - 6) Allott - Same as above - 5 Smalley - Wasn't fir from the start, should never have started - 4 (Wolfenden - Was always going to find it hard. First game for a while, pressure from fans and up against massive side. Some good runs, but should have scored. Was saddled with a poisened challace with the service he got - 6) Taylor - Struggles with Jones in the side. Good running forward but lack of quality into box - 5 Allessandra - Pretty much same as above. Service not right. Not as interested as Wolfenden tonight though and again, should have scored - 5 -------------------------- So, performace was poor all around. It was clear for all to see that long ball wasn't going to work and we had to knock the ball about to create space. It's a simple task which involves 2 basic elements of football. PASS AND MOVE. Tonight we had the passing, but to be honest, i don't think i've ever seen such a lack of movement from a professional football team. I saw better in Sunday League when i was playing that! It seriously was crap. If you don't move, you don't create space, the opposition has you in their pocket and all you can do is lump it forward. I could see it, YOU could see it, but none of the management tried to sort it out. The formation was in trouble from the beginning. Gregan in midfield when we have two midfielders on the bench is a crime. Not putting Stephens/Lee on earlier when we were clearly missing any form of creative spark was a disaster and it cost us big time. We've been beaten there by one of the worst sides i have ever seen. The side isn't working at the moment. Is it down to the manager, or is it down to the attitude of the players? I'm still behind Shez, and will be untill at least January.....but the motivation of the players is something that has to be turned around immediatly. It stands out like a sore thumb. I believe it's time for Shez wield the axe on some of the automatic first-teamers - one of them being allott at the moment who isn't performing to potential at the moment. Jones is a massive defensive worry for me.....he's a poor defender and when he attacks, he restricts Taylor. In fairness, first 2 months of the season with Eardley and Lomax at full backs - we were doing ok. There was a need for a full back as cover yes, but the strange decision was to throw him straight in when neither player (NE/KL) were playing that bad....We seemed to have a fairly settled side up untill Stockport, when we lost and from then on we've chopped and changed be it full backs, wingers or strikers. Allessandra was dropped because he wasn't scoring even though he was doing ok....when it was clear that his and Hughes' partnership was the best we had. It's got to a point where TOO MUCH tinkering is taking place. We have no settled side (yes i know latley this has been down to suspensions). We've got a good squad which is definatly capable of top 6 finish. We're in danger of not making that by what i believe is mostly down to off-field activities which i can't be ar*ed going into tonight. Get the side settled, get the spirits up, and we'll return to earlier in the season standards.....they're the same players after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) You can compare this performance to that of Stockport. Tricky away tie at Yeovil, bring it back to the North West for a replay. Get an extra 1,000 in the ground (only knocked £2 off admission for that). All 4 stands open. Banged in 5 goals from 5 different players (none from Davies who played 90 minutes). Latics squad has significantly more in the way of ability, experience and depth. Not delivering on the pitch though. I nearly started a "Shez Out?" poll, but that would be a tad norty. One for the morning, perhaps, after the calm of a night's sleep. Edited November 19, 2008 by opinions4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Has there ever been a case where two Tameside clubs have progressed further in the FA Cup than Oldham Athletic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wozz_oafc Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 It seems that Shez is skating on thin ice! I do support the guy but some of his recent decisions have been baffling and I am not happy that we have loaned out players like COG and Davies, so we relying on the likes of Wolfy again. What worries me is if Shez goes soon, who on earth are we going to get in? What if he does even worse?! Another new manager at the end of the season? For this reason I think we have to stick with Shez till the end of league campaign before decisions are made. If we continue this managerial merry go round I really think I will give up my season ticket as I really cant see how we will attract someone who will necessarily do any better, which will lead to their sacking, then the next man and so on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Personally, I think Shez can spot talent. Just don't think he's got the skills to man manage them or deal with a squad of talent. He's built a good squad then ripped it apart. Failing in the process to get the best out of most of them. Shez seems to me to be less a manager, more an assistant or the man who suggests the players to bring in. And then a manager/coach does the motivation and bringing together. Shez isn't learning from his mistakes. And they're beginning to hold us back too much now...not much longer can be given before my mind finally says "he can't take us any further"...and then that's when you have to consider moving the guy on. I hope he can sort it quickly...the eggtimers running out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futchers briefs Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Some very valid obs made....I remember many months ago, plenty of 'lack of footballing knowledge' fans suggesting Gregan in midfield....never in a month of sundays..and still the same suggest Jones as a winger ...........though players do have to take some responsibility......goal was a joke..stam/hazell??? 2nd half....5!! clear chances...Lewis 2 Wolfy 3.........no goals all 5 either hit the target or didnt even reach. There is no reserves no more lads, not good enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futchers briefs Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 (edited) reason for edit; doubled my rant!? Edited November 19, 2008 by futchers briefs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveoafc77 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 i remember why i stopped looking at these forums! dont think it matters in what division we are after what result or what performance the negative vibes are always the strongest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futchers briefs Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 i remember why i stopped looking at these forums! dont think it matters in what division we are after what result or what performance the negative vibes are always the strongest! We were awful!!!!.....where's your positive vibe coming from that performance? and regarding what division we are in....they never had these boards back in the 70s!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveoafc77 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 just generally speaking really, we are only 5 points off the top of the league, surely that counts for a touch of optimism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oafc88 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Shez in!! dont get me wrong he has made some bad decisions of late, some i dont understand, and all seems like its goin a bit tits up at the mo, and a couple of bad performances (okay probably more than that) but KEEP THE FAITH as others have said. if we were to get another manager in now, who? if they come in, what if they go on a good a run of results like we had at the start, then hit another bad patch like were having now, do we begin calling for their heads too? i know shez has had the investment and two years in the job, but all that would seem a bit pointless now if we got rid anytime soon. As others have mentioned, id give him til the end of the season and see how he's gone on i.e. relegation = get rid quite obviously, promotion/play offs= keep, mid table= depends werabouts in mid table we are and even then whether thats good enough. Id say were more nearer to the keep option at the moment, okay out of the cup comps, which would be welcome (along with the money) but thats life, and dissapointing, yet i wouldnt have expected anything less supporting latics. Put your hands up if you thought if we were to get promoted this season it was gonna be a breeze without its fair share of bumps along the way. Come on now lets all pull together in the right direction, were not in the last weeks of apirl in a relegation scrap, were 5 points off the top in the middle of november, still a while to go yet lads and lasses. Come on smile, it might never happen :puts tin hat on and awaits responses along the lines of: rose tinted/optimist/happy clapper ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forte_Baby Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 It seems that Shez is skating on thin ice! I do support the guy but some of his recent decisions have been baffling and I am not happy that we have loaned out players like COG and Davies, so we relying on the likes of Wolfy again. What worries me is if Shez goes soon, who on earth are we going to get in? What if he does even worse?! Another new manager at the end of the season? For this reason I think we have to stick with Shez till the end of league campaign before decisions are made. If we continue this managerial merry go round I really think I will give up my season ticket as I really cant see how we will attract someone who will necessarily do any better, which will lead to their sacking, then the next man and so on! Personally if Shez was to go i think the TTA would go for a quick choice and maybe an older fashioned manager simliar to Ronnie Moore proberly Stan Ternant (another long ball specialist please not) i would be happy to see Tony Philliskirk take over. Hell even if people are talking about Ritchie what about Dowie? i suspect with this group of players like he did at Palace he could turn it around. But for the time being stick with Shez. Although his tatics of late have been questionable. The fact we are now out of all cups means we can concentrate on the league, however with there being no regular fixtures for the reserves how does he intend to keep everyone happy? sending more players out on loan. If we are struggling in midfield Shez give Stephans a run out, lack of reserve games mean Kieran Lee going to get match fit? i suppose maybe we could follow in Accrington Stanley example they have put back there league game with Bury back to the Saturday now there out of the cup., Walsall are also out so we could maybe do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Well said Mickey. I can understand the frustration, but football matches can be won and lost (and management careers made or broken) on the smallest differences out there on the pitch. The same team and performance with one difference would have won the game comfortably tonight. That difference is Lee Hughes up front. No more, no less. As it was, their goal was charmed towards the end, their keeper played a blinder and they enjoyed a bit of luck. On another night, one or more of those chances would have gone in and we'd at least have had 30 minutes to rescue the tie. I'm not saying all is rosy, I'm just not quite as suicidal as some of you... So what exactly are you saying...unless Lee Hughes plays we might as well not turn up. The guy might be off now in January to balance the books or through his own desire to play at a higher level, and what the hell do we do then! You cannot build your team around the existence of ONE player...We had a glut of forwards at the begining of the season for the first time in years and last night we had ONE!!! I want Shez to succeed, I really do but he's making it harder and harder for me to defend his crazy decisions. The next 4 weeks are absolutely critical for him and after that, well, I'm not sure he'll be here!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footy68 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Can somebody PLEASE explain how Hughes got himself sent off on Saturday? The Ref made a comedy decision, how the :censored: can that be Hughes' fault? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witty Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 If id have know the team and formation tonight i would have made a trip to the bookies and bet heavily on an away win. why?! For me tonights tactics were about a manager who is under pressure from upstairs trying desperately to get a back to a winning formula. Gregan in midfield against a poor side like that, not exactly set up to take the game to them. Shez out?...not for me, but if he doesn't find/rediscover that winning formula I don't think TTA will hesitate to sack him...and if it happened before xmas I wouldn't be surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outoftheblue Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Can somebody PLEASE explain how Hughes got himself sent off on Saturday? The Ref made a comedy decision, how the :censored: can that be Hughes' fault?Because it wouldn't have happened if he hadn't got his earlier unnecessary booking for yet another act of stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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