OnchanJules Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27289819 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Just shows how little regard the powers that be have for the lower league. This move would only open the divide between the Premiership and everyone else further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 A new competition for Premier League and Championship clubs to field B teams will be considered by the Football Association on Wednesday. It has been proposed that the teams could play in a league sandwiched between League Two and the Conference. Another option is to merge League Two and the Conference with the B teams to form two regional leagues. The proposals are part of FA chairman Greg Dyke's commission on the future of the national team. It is understood that the Premier League and Football League clubs are broadly in favour of the B team concept, which would be predominantly made up of homegrown players, but have reservations about how it might fit into the pyramid and the knock-on effects to other leagues and competitions. One question is whether current League Two clubs would be relegated into the Conference or the new B team league if they went down. The other difficult issue is how far could B teams be promoted? Despite those worries, one source told the BBC that following more than 300 interviews with clubs and other stakeholders in the game, led by research consultant Peter Beverley, there was a universal acceptance that a major overhaul was needed to ensure big clubs' reserve teams and younger English talent were being given more regular, competitive football. Commission members point to the fact that clubs in Spain, France and Germany all play B teams in competitive leagues - thought to be a big factor in those countries developing talent. Dyke is believed to be keen to open the debate about the state of the national game ahead of the World Cup finals in Brazil which kick off on 12 June. There is a determination to get on the front foot ahead of the tournament to pre-empt the inevitable debate which will follow if Roy Hodgson's England team put in a disappointing performance in Brazil. Ironically the emergence of players like Raheem Sterling at Liverpool and Adam Lallana at Southampton have taken some of the heat out of that debate in recent months. And some senior figures inside the FA are urging Dyke to hold fire until after the competition and until all the finer details of the commission's proposals are ironed out. The Dyke commission was set up last autumn to try and address ongoing concerns about the strength of the English national team and the lack of top-class English talent forcing its way through into Premier League first teams. The commission, which includes former England manager Glenn Hoddle, former Leeds boss Howard Wilkinson and ex-Crewe manager Dario Gradi, is aiming to deal with two major questions - the pathway for players aged between 17 and 21 and grassroots facilities. While it is thought the commission has done extensive work on the first question, the issue of grassroots football is not yet complete. Other proposals expected to go before the FA board on Wednesday include a shake-up of the loan system and changes to the homegrown player quotas operated by Premier League and Football League clubs. But it is the B team proposal that promises to be the most controversial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I don't think it's that bad an idea. My first thought was that it would be bad for lower league football but, would anyone stop watching Oldham Athletic in order to watch Man City B? You could even argue that might be one of our bigger gates were we to play them. Smaller Spanish clubs do seem to go to the wall a lot though - whether or not this is a factor I don't know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midsblue Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Are we not all, in theory feeder clubs for the Prem teams? We survive on taking their players in on loan so that they get competitive practice and ultimately they go back unless they don't make the grade and we may retain. For players we scout, recruit and develop ourselves; if they are Prem standard then ultimately a Prem team signs them up. Again if they don't make the grade then they remain with their parent club and move around the lower leagues. It's inevitable that certain League 1 or 2 clubs will become unofficial feeder clubs as they become more a development club for certain Prem teams. Swindon was one for Chelsea, Crewe for Liverpool and Preston latterly Peterborough for United. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philliggi Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 The league structure in england is the best in the world imo. How likely is it we would get doncaster or yeovil playing championship football or stevenage,crawley, hereford, rushden, dagenham etc playing leavue 1 footy under that new structure? And where are city b gunna find fans to fill a stadium? Are they gunna just stop watching city? What happens if 7 b teams finish top of the league but aint allowed promotion cos all their teams play in the league above? Promote the 8th placed team? Makes a mockory of the league structure. And what about the cup? Do all these b teams enter the cup? What if they get drawn against their parent team? Would be the biggest load of bollocks to happen to football in its history imho. It works in spain etc cos thats the way its always been but this would kill the english lower league game. If you want to get more english players at the very top of the game limit the numbers of foreigners coming in, award more value to the reserve leagues (rename them english development premier league, championship league 1 league 2 etc) and put so.e money their way. Fair enough introduce the b team structure but dont let it interfear with the current setup in our pro leagues. I do agree england are crap because of the lack of talent at the top end of the game but there really is more to football than the premier league and the england team. Its about time the fa realised that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
help_shiny Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 dreadful.The interests of the elite put before everyone else . it'd be a kick in the face to the conference clubs & once these reserve teams rise up the league it'll impact on everyone's attendances.Think they'll bring any fans with them? It'd probably also increase their hoovering up of any talent worth speaking of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Am I right in thinking that in Spain they can't get promoted beyond a certain level and that it's only the likes of Real Madrid B and Barcelona B who this realistically needs to be in place for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
help_shiny Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 It's also so crap & unloved in Germany that the DFB are allowing clubs to wind their B teams up.Bayer&Eintracht are doing so this summer I believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 What 'works' in other countries' lower league system has little relevance to the English system as the quality of and support for lower league football is substantially greater on these shores. Of course it would be better for the bigger clubs to have their reserves playing against good, competitive opposition but the quality of football in the lower divisions is because of the support the clubs have. That will disappear with a diluted competition. Silly idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 The league structure in england is the best in the world imo. How likely is it we would get doncaster or yeovil playing championship football or stevenage,crawley, hereford, rushden, dagenham etc playing leavue 1 footy under that new structure? And where are city b gunna find fans to fill a stadium? Are they gunna just stop watching city? What happens if 7 b teams finish top of the league but aint allowed promotion cos all their teams play in the league above? Promote the 8th placed team? Makes a mockory of the league structure. And what about the cup? Do all these b teams enter the cup? What if they get drawn against their parent team? Would be the biggest load of bollocks to happen to football in its history imho. It works in spain etc cos thats the way its always been but this would kill the english lower league game. If you want to get more english players at the very top of the game limit the numbers of foreigners coming in, award more value to the reserve leagues (rename them english development premier league, championship league 1 league 2 etc) and put so.e money their way. Fair enough introduce the b team structure but dont let it interfear with the current setup in our pro leagues. I do agree england are crap because of the lack of talent at the top end of the game but there really is more to football than the premier league and the england team. Its about time the fa realised that Yes, The problem with the England team is that not enough English players play in the Premier League, not that not enough English players play in league two or the conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downender Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 what a load of utter bollocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Urgh. I see why they are considering it. At basic level, look at recent successfull Countries and how they operate their League systems; and then look to take on their best practices. But, what "works" (& as JSS says, it could be argued that in Spain in particular, is it currently still working?) in others Counties doesn't mean it's right or will work for us here. The issue is not getting young players from Premier League clubs playing at a competitive Conference / League 2 level, it's getting them playing at their own Premier League Clubs. Cap the number of overseas players allowed in the 25 man squads, install a properly managed home-grown player quota and leave the lower leagues well alone. If a Prem side wants to get a young player some experience, there is a fully functioning loan system for them to use. Use that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simoncorneyisgod Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Will never happen......Everyone who talks about this in the media always mentions Spain as the be all and end all but its a completely different structure.....Find me a club in the 3rd Tier of football in Spain that averages 20k+ for home games as teams in our league have done for a number of seasons? No other country has the depth and history that the english game does and whilst that may damage to national team that doesnt tend to matter these days as club loyalty comes first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losesome Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Would be goodbye to the loan system for lower clubs !!!! Can't see it happening but then again it is being pushed by the big clubs so money talks ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forte_Baby Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Having watched a lot of reserve team football over the years changes are needed. The standard is poor not enough games. If limited to it being say under 19 with no more than 3 over age players it could work. But not make the leagues North and South Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics_Fanatic Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Would be goodbye to the loan system for lower clubs !!!! Can't see it happening but then again it is being pushed by the big clubs so money talks ? Pushes us further away from the possibility of promotion back to the Premier League, whilst gives them more power and probably more money all together. Load of bollocks from the FA. If they really want to look at promoting English players. Just make the rule at 5 English players have on the field for your team at any one time. That'll change it more dramatically and the Premier League clubs, like City and Arsenal, would be :censored:ed. What next? Abolishment of promotion to the Premier League and it being an elected system. Would not surprise me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 (edited) Its back to the future, Latics reserves used to play in the Lancashire Combination and Cheshire league against the likes of Ashton United, Droylsden Hyde and Stalybridge Celtic, I really enjoyed those game games it was a chance top see competitive matches to test the reserves and also spot any talent in non league. Bring it on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancashire_Combination http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire_County_League Edited May 6, 2014 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 It's not a new idea, but the fact they are looking at below League 2 surprises me as in the past, League 1 is the level that is often quoted. I just think there is so much that could be done to improve football at grassroots level before this is looked at. I cannot believe for example, the FA have only clicked on to how pointless using full size nets for young kids is. Too many people think that the B team idea is the be all and end all. Yes perhaps it does work in Spain, but they also don't have the strength at 3rd tier level. As was mentioned above, Germany is looking at getting rid of their similar setup: http://www.espnfc.com/blog/_/name/bundesliga/id/647?cc=5739 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 The FA should look closer to home when it comes to the national team. The hotel where they're staying for the World Cup is 93rd on Tripadvisor and is 9 miles across town from the training base. The traffic is so bad in Rio they could be spending hours a day on the bus. The airport is further. Compare that to Holland who are staying in Rio but only a couple of miles from their training base and Germany who have built their own private beach resort. Granted this info has come from some pretty dirty daily rags but having spoken to someone who has lived in Brazil they're pretty accurate about the traffic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsChris Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Pushes us further away from the possibility of promotion back to the Premier League, whilst gives them more power and probably more money all together. Load of bollocks from the FA. If they really want to look at promoting English players. Just make the rule at 5 English players have on the field for your team at any one time. That'll change it more dramatically and the Premier League clubs, like City and Arsenal, would be :censored:ed. What next? Abolishment of promotion to the Premier League and it being an elected system. Would not surprise me. How do you see it pushing Latics further away from promotion to the Premier League? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics_Fanatic Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 How do you see it pushing Latics further away from promotion to the Premier League? Not just Latics but clubs would be limited in the players that they would be able to loan from Premier League clubs as they would be in their B teams. Look at lot's of lower league clubs, given the right loans, it gives them more of chance to compete. B teams would take that chance away. Power for Premier League clubs is increased once more, whilst the lower league clubs are the ones pushed further away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Pushes us further away from the possibility of promotion back to the Premier League, whilst gives them more power and probably more money all together. Load of bollocks from the FA. If they really want to look at promoting English players. Just make the rule at 5 English players have on the field for your team at any one time. That'll change it more dramatically and the Premier League clubs, like City and Arsenal, would be :censored:ed. What next? Abolishment of promotion to the Premier League and it being an elected system. Would not surprise me. Totally agree. Great idea, but the premiership will never allow it because they won't have a chance of competing in the champions league. If Dyke has dreamed this idea up he should be sacked, it's ludicrous. How can you fit 44 B teams into one league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtAndrew Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Am I right in thinking that in Spain they can't get promoted beyond a certain level and that it's only the likes of Real Madrid B and Barcelona B who this realistically needs to be in place for? Barcelona B and Real Madrid 'Castilla' play in the league below the primera liga and as such aren't allowed to be promoted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsChris Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Not just Latics but clubs would be limited in the players that they would be able to loan from Premier League clubs as they would be in their B teams. Look at lot's of lower league clubs, given the right loans, it gives them more of chance to compete. B teams would take that chance away. Power for Premier League clubs is increased once more, whilst the lower league clubs are the ones pushed further away. It's tough to make these judgements now though. They've got two half-formed plans, so we don't know any details. I would imagine the loan system could still be utilised, albeit less so. For example if the B league was squeezed below Div 4 Premier League teams might want their youngsters to spend a year at a higher level before entering their own first teams. I'm just hypothesizing but this could mean a reduction in the number of short term loans but a smarter use of long term loans. As I say though, we just don't know until they show us a plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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