*MERGOMATIC THREAD ACTIVE* Ched Evans Again - Oh No!

[Grylls]

This topic brings out a lovely colour in people.

 

Out of interest, are you outraged by the perceived miscarriage of justice against an innocent man, or just were you just wetting your pants at the prospect of getting a once decent (briefly) striker on the cheap?

 

His actions on the night, the lack of any sort of attempt to stop the hounding of the victim and the shocking website his rich father in law produced (which most people seem to base their 'innocent' claims on) mean I don't want us to have anything to do with him. Irrespective of the outcome of the appeal.

If I'm being completely honest, a bit of both.

 

I shall expand. As I've said previously, I worked with someone (a couple of people actually) who were on City's academy at the same time as he was. I last worked with a lad called Andy at the point Ched signing for Sheffield United so followed his career from there.

 

I was already very well versed on the details before he'd left prison, let alone been linked with us. I'm a former rep (not a legal thing I acknowledge) and I have done Jury service, so feel I'm able to look at things in an objective manner.

 

In terms of his 'wrongs', although questionable and immoral they are not illegal - cheating on your bird, having a 'go' after your mate, leaving via a fire escape etc.

 

On the flip side, as much as something is made of leaving via the fire escape he entered via the main entrance, the room was booked in his name etc.

 

I genuinely believe he is a victim of circumstance and I do not believe, for a second, that a rape took place.

 

When we got linked with him, I wasn't surprised but it would have resulted in me attending games again rather than being an 'armchair fan' (by all means, use it to lambast me, I'm not fussed!). The scope of watching a potentially multi-million pound striker who's career was on an upward trajectory at the time interested me a lot more than watching all the crap we've had up front since our measly £750k record signing from over 2 decades ago. (Although I loved Banger's pace although it's all he had, McCarthy and later Wijnhard).

 

I've watched the club deteriorate. One of the last times I went, which gives you idea of how long ago it was, we had Bertrand on loan. My mate, who is a Forest fan, and I were laughing at how crap he was and wondered what Mourinho saw in him. He was terrible.

 

Anyway, I digress. The whole idea of the transfer market is to 'find value' and we would have done that with Ched. If it gets overturned I'd hope we MAY have a chance of signing him in recognition of the fact we tried to put our money where our mouth was, sadly there will be better offers out there.

 

For me, what he did is far less than Lee Hughes. He crashed in to someone whilst pissed (he'd already been done for drink driving!), he KILLED someone, left someone else in a wheelchair, left the scene of the accident, didn't report the accident to the police and hid away for 1 and a half days.

 

In summary, we've signed someone who wasn't someone I wanted at the club. We haven't got a pot to piss in, these situations will keep cropping up. Big clubs can afford morals and don't need players who have missed years of playing and/or training.

[Grylls]

His actions on the night, the lack of any sort of attempt to stop the hounding of the victim and the shocking website his rich father in law produced (which most people seem to base their 'innocent' claims on) mean I don't want us to have anything to do with him. Irrespective of the outcome of the appeal.

Oops, I missed replying to that bit earlier.

 

This one makes me laugh. He's not responsible for other people's actions and I'm sure he doesn't know every acquaintances 'usernames' or the like. If you'd be wrongly accused of something and people were defending you, would you tell them to stop? I sure as hell wouldn't.

 

Father in law? You do realise that he isn't married don't you? Granted, she's not overly pretty (looks like she will end up a bloater) but is he to be blamed or lambasted for someone putting together a legal team? In that case, only the guilty would use the legal profession eh?

[Magister]

This article is where it stems fromhttp://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/490169/Dando-alarm-paedophile-ring-BBC

Even more embarrassing for our paragon of socialist ideals and principles.....he reads believes and regurgites the Daily Express. Does Mr Corbyn know?

[Wozzer]

Even more embarrassing for our paragon of socialist ideals and principles.....he reads believes and regurgites the Daily Express. Does Mr Corbyn know?

Allegedly the first paper Thatcher picked up every morning was the Morning Star. One of the few things she was right about was it's good to know what the enemy is thinking.

[Magister]

Allegedly the first paper Thatcher picked up every morning was the Morning Star. One of the few things she was right about was it's good to know what the enemy is thinking.

Indeed but she did not believe and spread what she read. The opposite in fact

[Matt]

..he reads believes and regurgites the Daily Express.

No, you assume that. Somebody else cited the Express, and the story ran before that article was published. 24 hasn't mentioned where he read it, he may even be :censored:ing around. I wouldn't get too wound up about it.

 

[Grylls]

Christ. I have NEVER seen a conspiracy theory on Jill Dando before.

 

Next you'll all start on 9/11 (I was born in America) but the thing with conspiracy theories is just THAT, they are a theory.

 

Some right nuggets on here.

[Magister]

Wound up? I think not! just parodying the po faced holier than thou principled preaching socialists who are anything but principled! Take Corbyn's ultra left mistress Dianne's decision to pay for her son to go to public school as an your exemplar?

Edited March 3, 2016 by Magister

[leeslover]

Christ. I have NEVER seen a conspiracy theory on Jill Dando before.

 

Next you'll all start on 9/11 (I was born in America) but the thing with conspiracy theories is just THAT, they are a theory.

 

Some right nuggets on here.

If I was a really far out conspiracy theorist I would wonder of you were the son in law of a well known club director.

[SavageTheBeast]

Imagine the uproar if he does get his conviction overturned.

[Grylls]

Imagine the uproar if he does get his conviction overturned.

Fingers crossed he does?

 

Or as Adam Johnson may say 'fingers deep either way?'

[leeslover]

Fingers crossed he does?

 

I hope you don't have teenage nieces.

[opinions4u]

Christ. I have NEVER seen a conspiracy theory on Jill Dando before.

Next you'll all start on 9/11 (I was born in America) but the thing with conspiracy theories is just THAT, they are a theory.

Some right nuggets on here.

Aren't there just.

[opinions4u]

Imagine the uproar if he does get his conviction overturned.

It wouldn't change the fact that signing a convicted rapist at the start of 2015 would have been a spectacularly stupid thing to do.

 

It would also mean that, however much I dislike Evans, that I'd be a lot more comfortable with us signing him after any acquittal. Even if such a signing is unlikely as he will probably be able to earn more elsewhere.

[Wozzer]

Wound up? I think not! just parodying the po faced holier than thou principled preaching socialists who are anything but principled! Take Corbyn's ultra left mistress Dianne's decision to pay for her son to go to public school as an your exemplar?

Ah the old chestnut always brought out against the left. Interesting that it's almost never used against the right. I've always wondered if that's because their principles mean it's almost impossible to shame them.

[Matt]

Wound up? I think not! just parodying the po faced holier than thou principled preaching socialists who are anything but principled! Take Corbyn's ultra left mistress Dianne's decision to pay for her son to go to public school as an your exemplar?

 

Wut? U OK hun? I can usually tell whether folk are wound up or not - overuse of exclamation marks, speed of reply and so-on. Christ. It's the internet, not oxygen - you can turn it off at any time.

 

 

[Matt]

Can I remind people of the usual whilst posting on these threads, like, the law and :censored:?

 

Cheers.

[ChaddySmoker]

If I'm being completely honest, a bit of both.

 

I shall expand.

I really wish that you hadnt bothered.

[Magister]

Ah the old chestnut always brought out against the left. Interesting that it's almost never used against the right. I've always wondered if that's because their principles mean it's almost impossible to shame them.

Sorry I must have missed Oxbridge educated Ms Abbots admission of shame

[Wozzer]

Sorry I must have missed Oxbridge educated Ms Abbots admission of shame

I'm not sure being Oxbridge educated precludes socialist belief, though it does tend to throw out more than its fair share of Bullingdon club toffs - I make no judgement about whether it's more shameful for a socialist to send her children to a private school or for silver spoon morning suit wearing socialites to spend their student years trashing restaurants. Interesting that the former attracts much more media attention than the latter though, wonder why that is?

[Hank Kingsley]

Christ. I have NEVER seen a conspiracy theory on Jill Dando before.

 

Next you'll all start on 9/11 (I was born in America) but the thing with conspiracy theories is just THAT, they are a theory.

 

Some right nuggets on here.

 

It's only a theory cos surprisingly the government didn't come out and admit they were aware of, and tolerated if not condoned, the fact that the establishment is riddled with pedophiles and that they were going to be imminently exposed by a highly reputable journalist which couldn't be allowed to happen so she was bumped off. I'm sure there'll be making a statement anytime though acknowledging this.

 

And please don't tell me you believe the official version of 911, dear me.

[Magister]

I'm not sure being Oxbridge educated precludes socialist belief, though it does tend to throw out more than its fair share of Bullingdon club toffs - I make no judgement about whether it's more shameful for a socialist to send her children to a private school or for silver spoon morning suit wearing socialites to spend their student years trashing restaurants. Interesting that the former attracts much more media attention than the latter though, wonder why that is?

Which do you think is better known ...the pig incident or the Abbott's school choice?

 

Of course Oxbridge does not preclude socialist belief and quite rightly......it should however bestow upon its beneficiaries some recognition of the illogicality and hypocrisy of their actions for themselves vis a vis their beliefs for the rest of us.

 

To my knowledge the morning suit wearing toffs have never said people should not join the Bullington Club.....Ms Abbott on the other hand differs in actions and words.

[youngen]

Erm, just keeping this in check, Ched Evans...

[24hoursfromtulsehill]

What a load of bollocks. A man of your intelligence should be embarrassed

 

I never said I was intelligent.

 

 

Supposedly, it wasn't just Savile she was going to expose, it was an entire ring involving members from the BBC, Parliament, The Royal Family and other national institutions.

 

There's other parts of the theory such as that she was also going to expose the Royals as perpetrating the murder of Princess Di.

 

Nah. The Windsors are far too canny to get rumbled like that.

 

 

Even more embarrassing for our paragon of socialist ideals and principles.....he reads believes and regurgites the Daily Express. Does Mr Corbyn know?

 

I didn't read it in the Express. I have never read the Express.

 

Seriously though. Someone killed Jill Dando. Savile had the motive. Not one other person on earth had a motive. I actually don't think the Met are conspirators as such in this instance. The local nutter gets put away a lot in London, just like the black man in the Merc gets pulled over a lot and the swarthy bloke on the tube gets shot in the head seven times at point blank range.

 

Another highly suggestive factor is Jimmy's missing millions. That money went somewhere. Jimmy's proficiency clearly had to involve hush money on a grand scale. Once you're in the habit of paying people off and someone comes along who can't be bought...you might have to look for a more extreme way of keeping your show on the road, such as by hiring a hitman.

 

 

It's only a theory cos surprisingly the government didn't come out and admit they were aware of, and tolerated if not condoned, the fact that the establishment is riddled with pedophiles and that they were going to be imminently exposed by a highly reputable journalist which couldn't be allowed to happen so she was bumped off. I'm sure there'll be making a statement anytime though acknowledging this.

 

And please don't tell me you believe the official version of 911, dear me.

 

The official version of 9/11 is as discredited as the Warren Commission was. But then the conspiracy versions aren't altogether convincing. The official versions tend towards limited assertions based on an unsustainably limited range facts. The conspiracies tend towards conjecture and fantasy. The answer is always somewhere in the middle. We love to pretend there's a rational explanation but we're really only imposing a rationale on things that were not rational.

[24hoursfromtulsehill]

Erm, just keeping this in check, Ched Evans...

 

Yeah. Back to Ched.

 

Supposing his appeal is successful. Does anyone really still want him? Another year of no football under his belt. There'll still be unbelievable amounts of aggro if we sign him. And we're in the middle of a relegation battle where we need snookers. Ched's the last thing we need.