leeslover Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 I went to a Grammar school and it was :censored:. Came out with loads of O levels and all the A levels but not much actual education!That's one of the problems with the 11 plus. You can catch a dunce on a good year ;) But I'm not saying grammar schools are the solution, more that they weren't replaced well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 #bigtent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 That's one of the problems with the 11 plus. You can catch a dunce on a good year ;) My dear mother would probably have agreed But I'm not saying grammar schools are the solution, more that they weren't replaced well. Actually for once we agree! But let's not make a habit of it. I just resent the argument trotted out by the right wing that a good socialist has to carry their beliefs into every single aspect of their life even when it goes so far that it penalises their choices and even the futures of their children. Those critics seem to think in a strange way that it justifies their own view of the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimeblue Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 I went to a Grammar school and it was :censored:. Came out with loads of O levels and all the A levels but not much actual education! State school. Only a few GCSE's... Proper street smart though me, innit. Swings and roundabouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Not sure I'm the right person to extol the virtues of private education having suffered it myself (last year of direct grant politics fans, I certainly wouldn't have gone had I been a year younger). I can comment on right to buy (I assume that's what you mean) which is the most divisive, vicious policy even Thatcher and her followers managed to come up with (and boy did they try). I have also never stated the offer from this (again I assume you mean Oldham) Labour is "crap" but if it is (which it isn't) it's due to the Tory government's desire to hammer northern Labour councils with plainly unfair settlements. Let's sign Ched though eh? I was talking about schools in Haringay ....nothing else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor_Coconut Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 His case is being looked at next week and he believes he'll be playing again very soon if he wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 For Sheffield United. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 His case is being looked at next week and he believes he'll be playing again very soon if he wins. For Sheffield United. I've heard he's attending court wearing a Blackpool kit underneath his suit, shinners included. His missus will have the scarf in her handbag ready for the signing pics on the Strand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageTheBeast Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Court of appeal hearing starts tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stagger Lee Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Court of appeal hearing starts tomorrow forgive my ignorance of the courts - not that I'm a good lad just never been caught - but assuming the appeal goes his way will this prove his innocence or just pave the way for a retrial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor_Coconut Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 he's served his sentence so there can be no retrial, this hearing could clear his name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageTheBeast Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 forgive my ignorance of the courts - not that I'm a good lad just never been caught - but assuming the appeal goes his way will this prove his innocence or just pave the way for a retrial. This would clear his name which, he strongly believes will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 forgive my ignorance of the courts - not that I'm a good lad just never been caught - but assuming the appeal goes his way will this prove his innocence or just pave the way for a retrial. You can't prove innocence. It would mean that the court found that he is not proven to be guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 Lions Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 The opinion of a lawyer friend of mine is that very few cases ever get referred back to appeal after a review, which basically means there are real grounds for his conviction to be overturned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 You can't prove innocence. It would mean that the court found that he is not proven to be guilty beyond reasonable doubt. We don't have non-proven . We have guilty and innocent. Nothing else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 As long as he never plays for us I'm not arsed either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wozzer Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 We don't have non-proven . We have guilty and innocent. Nothing else While this is true I actually prefer the Scottish version where a not proven verdict is possible. Ours seems a bit too black and white to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Not guilty of rape. As most people who are honest with themselves could see all along anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Not guilty of rape. As most people who are honest with themselves could see all along anyway. Where's that from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 If innocent I would hope everyone affords him the same rights and privileges any innocent person receives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 For many the issue is not only about whether he's techincally guilty of a crime or not, but his actions in general and those of his close family and friends from the incident to current day. But given this sort of totally disgusting attitude toward women is openly celebrated these days (watch any of the MTV reality tv shows if you can stomach it), it's no surprise so many are willing to look past that, and just put it down to lads being lads. Especially if the 'lad' in question can score a few goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 No.....the point is he will be innocent. If its up held......then he gets treated as he does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy55555 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 For many the issue is not only about whether he's techincally guilty of a crime or not, but his actions in general and those of his close family and friends from the incident to current day. But given this sort of totally disgusting attitude toward women is openly celebrated these days (watch any of the MTV reality tv shows if you can stomach it), it's no surprise so many are willing to look past that, and just put it down to lads being lads. Especially if the 'lad' in question can score But the fact that he was found guilty is the reason we are all talking about it in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 If innocent I would hope everyone affords him the same rights and privileges any innocent person receives. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 If it is overturned it won't make him any less of a complete :censored: though! Well...not in my eyes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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