ChaddySmoker Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Probably at least two years salary...not unreasonable Remember that the person contracted has to agree to the figure -otherwise a contract doesn't get signed - and LJ probably felt that it was reasonable too. I think the idiot attribution is towards the wrong person .... But I think that SC initiated it obviously and therefore should have the nous as a businessman to suggest that the contract has to work both ways-we give LJ a longer contract with job security but in return we want to protect the club if he does so well that other clubs become interested, Suggest a million and be willing to accept it being written in as £500K -but £150K come on, its ridiculously low-and remember that it will only be triggered if LJ does a good job, but we could accept less if it suits both parties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 But I think that SC initiated it obviously and therefore should have the nous as a businessman to suggest that the contract has to work both ways-we give LJ a longer contract with job security but in return we want to protect the club if he does so well that other clubs become interested, Suggest a million and be willing to accept it being written in as £500K -but £150K come on, its ridiculously low-and remember that it will only be triggered if LJ does a good job, but we could accept less if it suits both parties Who is paying 500k for a L1 manager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_latics Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 £150k is spot on I imagine. A league one manager who has achieved very little. They'll be paying off his contract, which will be ~ £150k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Who is paying 500k for a L1 manager? Nobody-We should be intending to keep him and the higher that figure is the more we are in control of the situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Shouldnt we all at least have the decency to cease picking his successor whilst LJ is still our manager, and a bloody good manager at that. He isn't dying....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Nobody-We should be intending to keep him and the higher that figure is the more we are in control of the situation We are a selling club though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyleArmy1994 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 2/1 on skybet for Barnsley job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 By the bookmakers, what is he supposed to do? He could have instantly ruled himself out of the Barnsley job; that's all that needed to be done. He hasn't denied wanting a move which could be considered disrespectful to us as he's obviously negotiating with at least one other club at present. If anything, he is causing yet more instability at the club during an important time of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStationLatic Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 So LJ is worth one and a half Poleons? They may be sticking other clauses in like if he gets then promoted - is that possible with managers, like players. I think Tommy W and Paul Murray ( if he didn't go where LJ goes) could do the job managing the players and subs/team selection. But it's the player recruitment that I would worry about. Although he was always going to make some mistakes as there's always a gamble with players at this level, on the whole LJ has managed to find rough diamonds or relatively average players (Kelly, JCH, J Wilson, Tarky [remember when he was the error-prone boo boy...) and train them into strong players and made money off them. That is an essential requirement given out finances. He's also shown he can deliver with players from a higher level too (K Smith, Elokobi). We were :censored:e around this time last season and then LJ was able to re-tune then into a more gritty, solid 4-1-4-1 that ground out the points and formed a run at the end of the season. Can he do it again? If Wilkinson gets back and stays fit, maybe. Perhaps he'll do with Murphy what he did with JCH last season. But wasn't it around this time last season that we got battered by the likes of Preston at home... We know these players seem to lack mental strength - Philliskirk seems to be suffering hugely and dips as soon as he puts in a performances, j Wilson (with one eye on his summer transfer) has not been the leader we hoped and unfortunately seems to have been found out, and there's many more - but does LJ... Does he believe or has the Ched thing and these links with other clubs taken it's toll. Only he'll know if his mind is in the job anymore. But it's fine margins in football - he either gets his move with the financial clout to get better players, or he stays put and if these players flop for him and our season fades out with a whimper - he won't be linked with as many jobs. I think there's a big frustration among the fans, that explodes after defeats like yesterday, because this is our best chance in years, possibly a vital chance (this or next season) to reshape the club's fate and appeal, with the new stand coming, and these spineless performances in a particularly :censored:e L1 this season are pissing it up the wall. I still believe if he had another season we'd be closer next time around. He's learning all the time, after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 He could have instantly ruled himself out of the Barnsley job; that's all that needed to be done. He hasn't denied wanting a move which could be considered disrespectful to us as he's obviously negotiating with at least one other club at present. If anything, he is causing yet more instability at the club during an important time of the season. LJ is a young bloke with a young family building the foundations of a career, so why should you expect him to rule himself completly out of all other managerial vacancies when reporters ask him about it? He says the right things-I am happy at Oldham, I am contracted to Oldham, if an approach is made to Oldham they can deal with it etc etc. The club has issued no statement on the matter so give them some grief if it helps you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 LJ is a young bloke with a young family building the foundations of a career, so why should you expect him to rule himself completly out of all other managerial vacancies when reporters ask him about it? He says the right things-I am happy at Oldham, I am contracted to Oldham, if an approach is made to Oldham they can deal with it etc etc. The club has issued no statement on the matter so give them some grief if it helps you So why is it disrespectful for us fans to discuss potential replacements if he's negotiating with at least one fellow league one club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 So LJ is worth one and a half Poleons? If we are paying our manager peanuts we are the ones who have valued him. I'd expect Poleon to earn more than Johnson. Make of that what you will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) Johnson record Before Tommy Wright (BT) P51, W18, D13, L20 After Tommy Wright (AT) P52, W18, D19, L15* *8 of those defeats have come in the last 13 games. Edited February 22, 2015 by deyres42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Doesn't LJ have just over 3 years left on his contract? So, if £150K is the compensation, that's only in the region of £50K a year, Is he really only on a grand a week, for round figures? I doubt it. That £150K can't possibly be paying off the rest of his contract, surely. Apart from anything else, he hasn't gone yet. And there's no guarantee that he will, so why don't we just wait and see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Doesn't LJ have just over 3 years left on his contract? So, if £150K is the compensation, that's only in the region of £50K a year, Is he really only on a grand a week, for round figures? I doubt it. That £150K can't possibly be paying off the rest of his contract, surely. Apart from anything else, he hasn't gone yet. And there's no guarantee that he will, so why don't we just wait and see? I was led to believe from somebody within the club that his original deal was a very modest basic salary of c£40k pa. I remember being surprised. I didn't ask about bonuses though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 So, if £150K is the compensation, that's only in the region of £50K a year, Is he really only on a grand a week, for round figures? I doubt it. That £150K can't possibly be paying off the rest of his contract, surely. He was on a basic of less than £40k p.a. when he started with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I was led to believe from somebody within the club that his original deal was a very modest basic salary of c£40k pa. I remember being surprised. I didn't ask about bonuses though. He was on a basic of less than £40k p.a. when he started with us. I'm genuinely surprised at that. No wonder other clubs with more dosh might look appealing. So, would he be just chasing the money if he went? Would he see Barnsley, Peterborough et al as better potential? Or, is the salary immaterial and he wants to see the job through at Latics? Time will tell, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I'm genuinely surprised at that. No wonder other clubs with more dosh might look appealing. So, would he be just chasing the money if he went? Would he see Barnsley, Peterborough et al as better potential? Or, is the salary immaterial and he wants to see the job through at Latics? Time will tell, I suppose. I never understand what this is supposed to mean in football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc_lover Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I never understand what this is supposed to mean in football. Well I would imagine it means seeing the season through and seeing if he can get us promotion. I think there's more chance of promotion with someone else in charge personally. He's a conman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 So why is it disrespectful for us fans to discuss potential replacements if he's negotiating with at least one fellow league one club? So which club is that and in which paper did you read this? Well I would imagine it means seeing the season through and seeing if he can get us promotion. I think there's more chance of promotion with someone else in charge personally. He's a conman. You are entitled to your opinion, mine differs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I never understand what this is supposed to mean in football. It's pretty much what Big Joe decided when he had the chance of going to Citeh. He turned it down because he hadn't finished the job at BP. That's my interpretation anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 It's pretty much what Big Joe decided when he had the chance of going to Citeh. He turned it down because he hadn't finished the job at BP. That's my interpretation anyway. I know what you mean but to me, unlike in other sports, there's never really an end point in football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 This season With Rachubka - P26, W9, D11, L6 Without Rachubka - P10, W3, D0, L7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 This season With Rachubka - P26, W9, D11, L6 Without Rachubka - P10, W3, D0, L7 Although Crewe have a 100% defeat rate when he plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Johnson record Before Tommy Wright (BT) P51, W18, D13, L20 After Tommy Wright (AT) P52, W18, D19, L15* *8 of those defeats have come in the last 13 games. Or, alternatively, the first 51 games he was trying to mould his team versus the next 52 once he'd moulded it a bit more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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