jsslatic Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Barnsley have refused to move their game to the Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) Some bitter :censored:ers on here. Its refreshing how they go about their business, fan owned, one member one vote a club based around community that is inclusive and open to all, pretty small minded to knock them based on their associations with Man Utd. Ha ha Bitter & small minded? coming from someone who hates 'hard man Dunn' because he dropped his friend? I wouldnt be taking the moral high ground when your bitterness seeps out many of your posts! self-righteous much..... I pretty sure people dont hate them for the way they conduct business. Its the holier than thou bull :censored: that that comes from most of their fans, the same way its comes from many Utd fans. Edited October 29, 2015 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 The diplomacy of Cameron! Rejecting an alternate kick-off time would be a good demonstration, but like already said, money is the be all and end all in this game, and that isn't going to change any time soon. The biggest driver of this is the fans. All revere the Germans model but are suckers for Sky! Is there any other sport, or industry for that matter, that is so obsessed with and beholden to money where only a tiny fraction of clubs/businesses actually make any? Fighting tooth & nail or snapping peoples hands off for every last penny in desperate attempts to break even or not lose too much - it's utter :censored:ing madness isn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Got to respect that statement. It's the future of the people's game. It's a group of people who are refusing to accept damaging orthodoxies. They're actually thinking about what the game is all about, unlike certain league club owners we can all think of. Eh? They told the FA they wouldn't move it to a Monday. The FA said "yes you :censored:ing will". They said "ok then, sorry about that". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 ...to go and play in a strictly unregulated competition in a favela. How dare you suggest that Dulwich isn't already fully gentrified! But what about FC's stance? They've come a long way since they were formed but are sticking with the principles. What's not to love about that? They're being forced to do something they don't want by the FA at the behest of the BBC (one evil TV company among many), so why aren't you on their side? Please don't call them "FC" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Eh? They told the FA they wouldn't move it to a Monday. The FA said "yes you :censored:ing will". They said "ok then, sorry about that". It's kind of cute thinking of it in such simple terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Eh? They told the FA they wouldn't move it to a Monday. The FA said "yes you :censored:ing will". They said "ok then, sorry about that". It's not quite like that though is it. Please don't call them "FC" FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. FC. etc. It's kind of cute thinking of it in such simple terms. Very endearing, in a proto-fascist way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Ha ha Bitter & small minded? coming from someone who hates 'hard man Dunn' because he dropped his friend? I wouldnt be taking the moral high ground when your bitterness seeps out many of your posts! self-righteous much..... I pretty sure people dont hate them for the way they conduct business. Its the holier than thou bull :censored: that that comes from most of their fans, the same way its comes from many Utd fans. Haha, you seem to have this fixation that I'm friendly with the players. I think Dunns a cock who will get found out, my opinion and I am entitled to that, as for the holier than thou bull:censored: your referring to give us some examples then, do you actually know any fans? The ones I know and work with are proper football fans, old school if you like who enjoy the aspects of the game I enjoyed following my team in the 80's and 90's, as with many on here you let your hatred for Man Utd dictate your view of FCUM thats why your bitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 It's kind of cute thinking of it in such simple terms. Do you have any affection/involvement at all with Latics these days Rummy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 It's not quite like that though is it. It would be easier if it was. I've seen the emails between FC and the FA, and heard the discussions of the membership. It's interesting when you start to read the FA's own rules on the competition. Rules 2 c and d: © In relation to each match in the Competition, The Association shall be exclusively entitled, either by itself or to authorise others, to use sell or otherwise exploit all commercial and other marketing rights associated with the Competition including, without limitation, fixture list copyright, sponsorship, supplier rights, licences, perimeter board branding or other commercial arrangements (the “Marketing Rights”) and Clubs shall comply at all times with The FA Cup Commercial Regulations (“the Commercial Regulations”). (d) Clubs shall comply with the terms of all contracts entered into by The Association from time to time in relation to Access Rights, the Television Rights, the Radio Rights, the Footage Rights and the Marketing Rights (collectively the “Commercial Contracts”) in relation to the Competition. ...and yes, the membership voted to enter the competition eight years ago - however, no-one in their right mind would've expected it to happen twice in quick succession - and I have to admit that the resolutions that are in place to manage these types of situation are way short in dealing with it effectively. The game has probably been sold so much for so long that it's now taken as normal service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Do you have any affection/involvement at all with Latics these days Rummy? Yes. No. I always want Latics to win and to be successful, I can't stand supposed fans that post on here that they would rather they lose - it makes no sense. Anyway, I fell out of love completely with football ages ago and went to watch RL for a bit - Saints and Rochdale Hornets. It was pure co-incidence that Hornets became a fan owned co-operative in 2009 as a mate of mine took me to FC United around the same time. It was different, it reminded me of watching football as a kid. in the seventies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 It's kind of cute thinking of it in such simple terms. Is that not about the long and short of it though? I can do contrived and overcomplicated if you want.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) Haha, you seem to have this fixation that I'm friendly with the players. I think Dunns a cock who will get found out, my opinion and I am entitled to that, as for the holier than thou bull:censored: your referring to give us some examples then, do you actually know any fans? The ones I know and work with are proper football fans, old school if you like who enjoy the aspects of the game I enjoyed following my team in the 80's and 90's, as with many on here you let your hatred for Man Utd dictate your view of FCUM thats why your bitter. I dont hate Utd or FCUtd, I hate the entitlement & arrogance that some (not all) of the fans have. These people pretend the that football didnt exisist before the Premier league. The FCUtd fans are some of those (not all) same people & now have a superiority complex because they started another club and bigger crowds than most league clubs at our level. The arrogance that comes from them is sickening and half of them havent watched either club for an extended period of time in their lives. You are a liar if you have never met these people... You think Dunn is a cock from being told from within the club from a disgruntled staff member, more likely a player. Everybody has read your spiel on here. It will all come out in the wash etc you wont say who but you but still spout your in the know bull :censored:. he may get found out, alot of managers do at this or any level but the issue is, you made your mind up without giving him a chance in the first few weeks & there my 'friend' lies your bittnerness. Edited October 29, 2015 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Is that not about the long and short of it though? I can do contrived and overcomplicated if you want.....? Nope, and go ahead if you think you know it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) I dont hate Utd or FCUtd, I hate the entitlement & arrogance that some (not all) of the fans have. These people pretend the that football didnt exisist before the Premier league. The FCUtd fans are some of those (not all) same people & now have a superiority complex because they started another club and bigger crowds than most league clubs at our level. The arrogance that comes from them is sickening and half of them havent watched either club for an extended period of time in their lives. You are a liar if you have never met these people... You think Dunn is a cock from being told from within the club from a disgruntled staff member, more likely a player. Everybody has read your spiel on here. It will all come out in the wash etc you wont say who but you but still spout your in the know bull :censored:. he may get found out, alot of managers do at this or any level but the issue is, you made your mind up without giving him a chance in the first few weeks & there my 'friend' lies your bittnerness. You should be sponsored by John Smiths. Edited October 29, 2015 by yarddog73 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Is that not about the long and short of it though? I can do contrived and overcomplicated if you want.....? Interesting that you think the long and the short of something is all there is to it, or anywhere near enough. Only a week to go before bonfire night. Gather those books up and soak 'em in meths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) It will be interesting to see how this goes with FC United within the future as I would imagine that these dilemmas are going to appear more and more in the future and they may have to ask themselves do we comply or do they stay stuck in their ways and sacrifice success for principles. One of the models they wanted to emulate when they started was that of Barcelona who had no sponsorship on their shirts at the time, now they have a multimillion pound sponsorship by a large multinational airline. The Glazer takeover has been nowhere near as damaging to Man United as was first feared and their net spending on playing talent the last 2 years backs this up massively. The club has a very secure business model. There is nothing wrong with wanting to challenge convention, or wanting to change things for the better, FC United’s stance appears to go to the opposite extreme of Man United where one fully endorses commercialisation and uses it to bring massive success, the other rejects it all together but stays close to its roots. I think football clubs should be somewhere in the middle. However I think its a battle they cannot win, and I get the impression many of them want to go back to a simpler world which no longer exists. Edited October 29, 2015 by GlossopLatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Are the FC United fans so angry about it that they are going to boycott the game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Interesting that you think the long and the short of something is all there is to it, or anywhere near enough. They released a statement saying the fa had told then the game was being moved, they objected/refused, the fa told them they had no choice, they're now complying... What more is there to it? Only a week to go before bonfire night. Gather those books up and soak 'em in meths. ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I'm mystified by the idea that there is something wrong with kneejerk dislike of the basted child of the Great Whore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 They released a statement saying the fa had told then the game was being moved, they objected/refused, the fa told them they had no choice, they're now complying... What more is there to it? ??? The fact of the protest. The fact of saying: "You're very used to running the game this way, but we'd prefer something a bit different. We value the people who go to the match more than we value people who watch television. You don't. Your way of thinking is :censored:. Ours isn't." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I'm mystified by the idea that there is something wrong with kneejerk dislike of the basted child of the Great Whore. I'm all for a bit of gratuitous dislike except in this case. I used to gratuitously dislike FCUM when it was just an anti-Glazer protest. It might have started that way but it's obviously grown out of that and into something I can properly get behind: fan ownership, football run for the benefit of the fans, community involvement etc. And you know from the Massive Cables that watching non-league football is :censored:ing brilliant. I'll probably never go to a game but I wish more clubs, big and small and medium, would stand up to the FA a bit and have a think about the game and its fans rather than taking them and so much modern football wisdom for granted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I'll give them some respect if ..and it's a big if.., they decide that they cannot agree with the rules of the FA Cup and decide not to enter next season. Presently they appear to be bound by a fans' decision made a few years ago -Rummy intimates that this is being reviewed . So let's see if this "protest" of theirs this season is backed up by actions or is just posturing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I'll give them some respect if ..and it's a big if.., they decide that they cannot agree with the rules of the FA Cup and decide not to enter next season. Presently they appear to be bound by a fans' decision made a few years ago -Rummy intimates that this is being reviewed . So let's see if this "protest" of theirs this season is backed up by actions or is just posturing. I struggle with the notion that if they don't boycott the competition next season then they're hypocrites. They and their fans can object to the FA enforced rearrangement of fixtures and pricing whilst still wanting to see their team take part in the FA Cup. I suspect it's not as simple as just electing not to take part, anyway. I'd be surprised if there are not wider implications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) The fact of the protest. The fact of saying: "You're very used to running the game this way, but we'd prefer something a bit different. We value the people who go to the match more than we value people who watch television. You don't. Your way of thinking is :censored:. Ours isn't." The FA were well and truly told eh They won't try that again. Not until the next round at least.... Edited October 29, 2015 by HarryBosch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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