chris_ktf Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Firstly, I'm just pleased to be able to go to games again. Not even to see us win, but with a sense of the club being together and getting behind the team. I want to see us fighting, and hopefully trying to win instead of going down with a whiper. So to the question, will he keep us up? Big, big, ask. Speaking to my mate tonight, and 10 wins would guarantee safety. In reality we ain't getting 10 wins from the games left. I think what's more believeable/likely is maybe 6/7 wins and a few draws giving us roughly 45-47 points. We all know about the 50 point barrier, BUT it is a tight league, and for my money one team always gets dragged in, and one team always gets out of the :censored:. . . I really hope it's us! Heart says- we stay up, just. Head says- league two here we come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Looking like four from seven at the bottom to go, we'll probably need to win that mini league to survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluear Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Looking like four from seven at the bottom to go, we'll probably need to win that mini league to survive. I think you'll find if we finished 3rd in that mini league of 7 we would stay up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 We still need a centre half maybe 2 possibly a goalkeeper a wide man and then if possible a striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hometownclub Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 We still need a centre half maybe 2 possibly a goalkeeper a wide man and then if possible a striker. I agree, Centre Half first priority, then Goalkeeper and a Striker. I'm not sure how we are going to finance this, Brentford selling Tarkowski would be favourite I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I agree, Centre Half first priority, then Goalkeeper and a Striker. I'm not sure how we are going to finance this, Brentford selling Tarkowski would be favourite I guess. We got rid of 4 players last week 1 or 2 can be loan signings. But we need to push the boat out because without additions I think we will go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I think you'll find if we finished 3rd in that mini league of 7 we would stay up Possibly pal, I'm not sure I fancy our chances if we do though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluear Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 So 7 bottom teams. We finish 3rd out of those 7. With 4 below us. You don't see that keeping us up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midsblue Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Shez may deliver the catalyst we need but I doubt he's Houdini. Corney needs to back the bloke by strengthening at back, up front and on the wings. If Tarky is sold then hopefully funds are earmarked but I won't hold my breath. Even with only two weeks left Shez would have targets, can make the calls and strengthen ready to try and plan our escape from relegation. Loans can be signed afterwards but it's time now and remaining games the key... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Easily... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafckev Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 22 Games left and 33 points required to pretty much guarentee safety (anything less would bring luck into it) so thats an average of 1.5 points per game. It's a tough ask for Shez to try and get us playing like a top half team in such a short time but if there was a man to do it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 It shouldn't be about 'staying up' it should be about building the longer term foundations of the club to make sure we don't get into this sorry mess again. The playing side needs to be coordinated from the school kids in the after school clubs through to the junior ranks to the first team. The scouting should be built around finding players who fit into the system and then the other off-field activities, the marketing, the conferencing should be geared to increasing revenue for the playing side which in turn will increase the off field revenue.... It is the short termism that has got us where we are, the lack of the overall vision, planning and strength of purpose needed to stay the course that has seen the slow decline. I don't want to type the next line but the only way I would take a relegation is to build the above and start repairing and improving the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 How can you have a long-term vision when the owner has short-term ambitions to sell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 11/8 to stay up 1/2 to be relegated with the bookies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 How can you have a long-term vision when the owner has short-term ambitions to sell? He's had short term ambitions to sell for a long term now We might aswell have a long term vision... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 It shouldn't be about 'staying up' it should be about building the longer term foundations of the club to make sure we don't get into this sorry mess again. The playing side needs to be coordinated from the school kids in the after school clubs through to the junior ranks to the first team. The scouting should be built around finding players who fit into the system and then the other off-field activities, the marketing, the conferencing should be geared to increasing revenue for the playing side which in turn will increase the off field revenue.... It is the short termism that has got us where we are, the lack of the overall vision, planning and strength of purpose needed to stay the course that has seen the slow decline. I don't want to type the next line but the only way I would take a relegation is to build the above and start repairing and improving the club. Absolutely true about the long term future of the club In that regard, I have more confidence in Shez. But the priority is survival. Relegation will bring no guarnatees of the above, it is far more likely quite the opposite. Far more have dropped further or stagnated than ressurected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Don't forget we're competing against poor sides who won't be picking up many points themselves. And there are always one or two who'll be dragged into it from mid table between now and May. We'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 How can you have a long-term vision when the owner has short-term ambitions to sell? He's had short term ambitions to sell for a long term now We might aswell have a long term vision... I agree with Harry. It's his medium term ambition is to sell. If his short term ambition was to sell he would not have done this, or allowed Dunn 7 players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 How can you have a long-term vision when the owner has short-term ambitions to sell? If the stuff that happened with the staff who use the white kicky thing was going better than the ambitions to sell would be very much decreased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Stop playing for the draws would keep us up. Peterborough and Doncaster are examples of teams who have fired off boring negative managers and replaced them with managers who will take risks and have a go, we could win 9 and lose the other 13 games and still have a chance of staying up, the league is that tight its what we do against the teams around us that's going to count we have to go for it let the players express themselves and allow them to do what they do best - play football, the foundation for Dunn and Co's failure was firmly set at Doncaster in his first game when we went there not to lose and played for a 0-0 draw against a team who'd mustered one goal from open play in eight games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 It shouldn't be about 'staying up' it should be about building the longer term foundations of the club to make sure we don't get into this sorry mess again. The playing side needs to be coordinated from the school kids in the after school clubs through to the junior ranks to the first team. The scouting should be built around finding players who fit into the system and then the other off-field activities, the marketing, the conferencing should be geared to increasing revenue for the playing side which in turn will increase the off field revenue.... It is the short termism that has got us where we are, the lack of the overall vision, planning and strength of purpose needed to stay the course that has seen the slow decline. I don't want to type the next line but the only way I would take a relegation is to build the above and start repairing and improving the club. Aim to stay up We can look at the longer term goals in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I think we're going overboard with all this needing x wins or y points etc. We have 22 games to get 5 or 6 more points than 2 other teams, while at least matching the results of the 2 teams below us. It's hardly a lost cause. If we get a couple of decent additions to the team and a bit of a new manager upturn in form we'll be out of the relegation zone in a few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 It's a big ask but sacking Dunn has improved our chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I think we're going overboard with all this needing x wins or y points etc. We have 22 games to get 5 or 6 more points than 2 other teams, while at least matching the results of the 2 teams below us. It's hardly a lost cause. If we get a couple of decent additions to the team and a bit of a new manager upturn in form we'll be out of the relegation zone in a few weeks. It isn't but we need to win 2 more than those directly above us just to get level, a big ask for a team that has only won 3 all season. People thinking we are certain to improve seemingly discounting the probability of the others doing so too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Stop playing for the draws would keep us up. Peterborough and Doncaster are examples of teams who have fired off boring negative managers and replaced them with managers who will take risks and have a go, we could win 9 and lose the other 13 games and still have a chance of staying up, the league is that tight its what we do against the teams around us that's going to count we have to go for it let the players express themselves and allow them to do what they do best - play football, the foundation for Dunn and Co's failure was firmly set at Doncaster in his first game when we went there not to lose and played for a 0-0 draw against a team who'd mustered one goal from open play in eight games. It's better to win one and lose one than draw two as a great man once said..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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