Chaddyexile84 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 33 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Any guesses when the solidarity payments will be repaid in the current situation Dave? They can't go on forever surely? I “think” that we only get solidarity payments twice a year - once at the end or start of the season and once in January I could be wrong though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chaddyexile84 said: I “think” that we only get solidarity payments twice a year - once at the end or start of the season and once in January I could be wrong though I think that's right but not sure if the whole loan would be paid off this season. If it isn't and we go down..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercater Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Dave_Og said: I think that's right but not sure if the whole loan would be paid off this season. If it isn't and we go down..... I think if we go down there is no chance of the solidarity payments being made as there will be no significant transfer fees or parachute payment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mercater said: I think if we go down there is no chance of the solidarity payments being made as there will be no significant transfer fees or parachute payment Solidarity payments are essentially from the PL to the EFL so no chance of them being paid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercater Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 So about as much chance of them being paid as now under embargo. So id AL takes us down he has no liability' You Obviously know more than me so is that a correct assumption 1 minute ago, Dave_Og said: Solidarity payments are essentially from the PL to the EFL so no chance of them being paid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 25 minutes ago, Mercater said: So about as much chance of them being paid as now under embargo. So id AL takes us down he has no liability' You Obviously know more than me so is that a correct assumption I'd imagine that would be part of any takeover negotiations, assuming any potential buyer does appropriate due diligence. But stress I don't know whether this season's payments will clear the loan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercater Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Hence my questions to the EFL about liabilities and guarantors "Of course, the principles of applying an embargo is to prevent a Club from strengthening its team or adding to its playing staff costs until such time as it has met its existing financial obligations and/or the Club has rectified the relevant breach of EFL regulation(s)". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 All this makes the club less of a saleable asset than it ever was. For all Abdallahs putting the club up for sale, can anyone realistically see a buyer being found, the best chance is someone as naive as AL himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercater Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 It just sounds like a Fuck Off from the EFL to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, Mercater said: Hence my questions to the EFL about liabilities and guarantors "Of course, the principles of applying an embargo is to prevent a Club from strengthening its team or adding to its playing staff costs until such time as it has met its existing financial obligations and/or the Club has rectified the relevant breach of EFL regulation(s)". There's no chance of them divulging that sort of info but good on you for trying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercater Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: There's no chance of them divulging that sort of info but good on you for trying Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 26 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: There's no chance of them divulging that sort of info but good on you for trying It's a bit of a shitter when you have to e mail the EFL to try and find out what's going on at your own football club. But as you say, fair play to Merekater for trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercater Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 On 2/11/2022 at 3:36 PM, Mercater said: I contacted the EFL with regard to the embargo as below. I may not have asked the correct questions or been eloquent enough, but they have responded: Query : OAFC are currently under embargo, for I think around £250K. A sum that does not appear the owner is willing or able to pay. Can you please tell me if the EFL makes regular enquiries as to 1. The clubs or owners ability to pay the loan 2. The reasons why rhe club or owner are not able to pay 3. Is there a period within which the sum must be repaid 4. Can the club or owner be forced to repay the sum and what form this would take. 5. Were any guarantees or guarantors given or named when taking the loan 6. What reason has been given by the club or owner for not repaying the sum 7. What are the actual sums , at this point, the club or owner are liable for and whether these will increase over time. I realise some of this information may be commercially sensitive, or available from other sources, but I am personally not that proficient in this sort of information gathering. Any information you provide would be most appreciated. Regards The response: Thank you for your email, we acknowledge your views on Oldham Athletic, and appreciate you getting in touch. All Clubs who undertook a monitored loan agreement are subject to monitoring and ongoing review. Clubs were eligible to apply for a monitored loan based on ‘need’, with a joint EFL and Premier League panel determining eligibility. Ultimately, the Club’s embargo is there because of the terms agreed between Clubs, the EFL and the Premier League, whereby Clubs in receipt of a ‘monitored loan’ are subject to certain restrictions, in respect to transfer spend and player wages. Of course, the principles of applying an embargo is to prevent a Club from strengthening its team or adding to its playing staff costs until such time as it has met its existing financial obligations and/or the Club has rectified the relevant breach of EFL regulation(s). We continue to engage the Club on all such matters as appropriate, however we are not able to provide any further details in order to protect the Club’s interests. We would advise, should you wish, that you make further enquiries directly with them in this regard. Thank you for contacting the EFL I post this in case anyone is interested Bored and so wondered if I could make FOI to the EFL for information on the setup at Oldham, unfortunately not as they are well protected or do not supply any information. They are classed as a Private Limited Company https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/body/the_football_association Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercater Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 I know my thinking is flawed and just getting annoyed but I'm now thinking I should contact "Rip off Britain" to report scammers pretending to be legitimate owners of a football club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Posted without comment: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60419602 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, oafcmetty said: Posted without comment: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60419602 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Luamba out for 6-8 weeks apparently Shame for the lad - hope he doesn't end up being another Dearnley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Do “bank account changes” and “cultural differences” count as mitigating circumstances? 1 hour ago, oafcmetty said: Posted without comment: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60419602 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 One for @Dave_Og; am I right to assume the youth team players don't count as registered players, hence us being able to play Will Sutton? Didn't Curle bemoan the embargo earlier in the season for not being able to play Couto and Vaughan (despite having already started Vaughan at Sutton)...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloshed Joe Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Leutwiler Clarke McGahey Pidge Fage Diarra Whelan Couto DKD Hope Bahamboula This was the team that won away at Rochdale earlier in the season. With the exception of McGahey, we could field that same team in our next game. We’d even have Adams (who wasn’t available v Rochdale) to include rather than Fage. The point is, yes we have injuries and suspensions but the team isn’t far off what we’ve had to contend with most of the season. With some fight and belief, they could still scrap some positive results. Reverting back to a central 2 of Diarra with Whelan/Hunt might be change that needs making, as much as it pains me to say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted March 23, 2022 Author Share Posted March 23, 2022 48 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said: One for @Dave_Og; am I right to assume the youth team players don't count as registered players, hence us being able to play Will Sutton? Didn't Curle bemoan the embargo earlier in the season for not being able to play Couto and Vaughan (despite having already started Vaughan at Sutton)...? My understanding is that if a player appeared in a senior match (ex-Pizza Cup) before the start of this season then they count as a senior player. Sutton did so and therefore would count. However, there are provisions for dispensations for youth players within the rules and my guess, surely a guess, is that dispensation was sought in respect of Sutton, possibly on the grounds of his vey limited senior experience coupled with the fact we could barely raise a defence. I suppose an alternative conclusion might be that we cocked it up and are due a disciplinary for fielding an ineligible player - but surely we are too sharp for that to be a risk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloshed Joe Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Wonder what’s going on with Kyle Jameson. Need a bit of muscle in the team, is it worth considering him and Diarra to get involved more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Sloshed Joe said: Wonder what’s going on with Kyle Jameson. Need a bit of muscle in the team, is it worth considering him and Diarra to get involved more? No Kyle Jameson (who fylde fans laughed their balls off we had signed him) is about as much a footballer as my dead nan and should have been the first to release to sign someone with even a modicum of talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wroteforluck87 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 Heard it mentioned that we've three players under contract for next season am right in thinking that fage, diarra and jameson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longlostfan Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 Looking at the great post from OAFCmetty in squad summer 21 quted below I thinks its McGahey, , Couto, Vaughan and Da Silva If the embargo is still in place I'd expect a weaker squad next year. Who would you want? on current form Pidge, Sutton, Junior,Adams, Missilou, DKD? 1. Jayson Leutwiler (2023?) 23. Danny Rogers (2022) 2. Jordan Clarke (2022) 3. Sam Hart (2022 with option) 5. Harrison McGahey (2023?) 6. Carl Piergianni (2022) 14. Dylan Fage (2022) 15. Kyle Jameson (2022) 17. Jack Stobbs (2022) 22. Raphaël Diarra (2022) 32. Will Sutton (2022) 33. Benny Couto (2024) 4. Ousseynou Cisse (2022 with option) 7. Nicky Adams (2022) 8. Callum Whelan (2022) 10. Davis Keillor-Dunn (2022) 24. Dylan Bahamboula (2022) 26. Alex Hunt (on half-season loan from Sheff Weds) 27. Jamie Hopcutt (2022 with option) 28. Chris Missilou (2022) 34. Harry Vaughan (2023, with option for 1 more year) 47. Kane Badby (2022) - on loan with Trafford 9. Hallum Hope (2022 with option) 11. Mike Fondop (2022) 19. Vani Da Silva (2023) 29. Junior Luamba (2022) 30. Tope Obadeyi (2022) 2nd Year Scholars 13. Kacper Danielewicz36. Joe Edwards - on loan with Winsford 37. Trey Turner39. Isaac Modi - work experience with Trafford Jack Williams - on loan with WinsfordOliver Kilner - on loan with City of Liverpool Asa Hughes Jim Simms 1st Year Scholars 40. Luke Southerington Llyton Chapman Aaron AtkinsonKofi Moore - on loan with Avro Oli Havens Favour Okeke Mworina Doro Harvey GreenJake Forshaw - on loan with Winsford Fraser Cookson Edited March 15 by oafcmetty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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