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Typically, the club's lack of openness has led to misunderstandings of the extent of the restrictions that impinge on the club's freedom to build a competitive first team squad.

 

What is not in any doubt is that we were placed under an embargo as a result of taking out a loan during the initial Covid lockdown period and failing to repay that.  That embargo remains in place: EFL Official Website - Embargo Reporting Service

 

It is unclear whether the terms of that embargo are the same as those which Scunthorpe and Swindon are operating under.  It doesn't seem to be a coincidence that two of the clubs operating under embargo .  Some of the terms of the embargo are clear:

 

1.   We can have a maximum of 23 players of professional standing (that is any player who has played at first team level in any competition bar the pizza cup) in the squad

2.  We cannot pay a transfer fee for any player; we can only sign players out of contract or loanees

3.  Loans can be for a maximum of 6 months (it is unclear whether one player could be here for successive loan periods)

4.  Contracts for new signings can only be for a maximum of one year

5.  Contracts for new signings can only be for a maximum of £800pw

6.  If the squad is at the maximum of 23 youth players already at the club can be given contracts and added to the squad, (thereby exceeding 23)

 

We currently have 23 players in the first team squad who meet the criteria to be classified as professional players:

 

GKs:  Leutwiler, Rogers

Defenders: Clarke, Hart, McGahey, Piergianni, Jameson, Diarra, Couto

Midfielders:  Cisse, Adams, Whelan, Keillor-Dunn, Fage, Stobbs, Bahamboula, Hunt, Hopcutt, Missilou, Vaughan

Forwards:   Hope, Dearnley, Luamba

 

But three of those (Vaughan, Couto, Luamba) are youth players added to the squad during the season.

 

It is unclear whether during the current transfer window thos three can be excluded from the maximum squad number we can have.  That leaves two possibilities:

 

1.  We are at maximum squad numbers and can only sign another player if someone departs

2.  We have three squad places available.

 

Either way, unless  the loan is repaid and the embargo lifted we are subject to the same contract restrictions as exlained above:

 

1.  Only loans or out of contract players can come in.  Which fits with Hunt & Missilou

2.  Maximum £800pw

3.  Maximum one year contract

 

One might assume that if there was an intention to extricate the club from the embargo during this transfer window then appropriate steps may have been taken before the 18th day of it.

 

 

 

 

 

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I think Sutton played a first team game at the end of last season so would count but don't think the others have done so?  If that's the case then the latter two could be brought into the squad without breaching numbers.  The EFL does have the discretion to look at individual circumstances when getting onto this territory though

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1 minute ago, PeteG said:

Let to believe there is a chance Dearnley is on his way out with a number of interested clubs in Barrow, Carlisle and Fleetwood 

It beggars belief that any football club would show the slightest interest in signing a player like Dearnley with the diabolical fitness record he has had over the last couple of seasons!!


Am I missing something??

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13 minutes ago, oafc1955 said:

It beggars belief that any football club would show the slightest interest in signing a player like Dearnley with the diabolical fitness record he has had over the last couple of seasons!!


Am I missing something??

pay as you play I'd imagine.  Not a problem if the squad numbers aren't limited...

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33 minutes ago, OneSizeFitz said:

What happens if Sutton, Modi or Da Silva return from their loans?

 

30 minutes ago, Dave_Og said:

I think Sutton played a first team game at the end of last season so would count but don't think the others have done so?  If that's the case then the latter two could be brought into the squad without breaching numbers.  The EFL does have the discretion to look at individual circumstances when getting onto this territory though

Sutton hasn't played this season.

Da Silva played 45 minutes at Brentford in the League Cup and 15 minutes at Leyton Orient in the league plus he came on in the 62nd minute at Carlisle.

Modi came on as a late substitute at home to Swindon.

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1 minute ago, TheBigDog said:

 

Sutton hasn't played this season.

Da Silva played 45 minutes at Brentford in the League Cup and 15 minutes at Leyton Orient in the league plus he came on in the 62nd minute at Carlisle.

Modi came on as a late substitute at home to Swindon.

In that case all three could count unless the random discretion of the EFL comes into play.

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1 hour ago, Dave_Og said:

Typically, the club's lack of openness has led to misunderstandings of the extent of the restrictions that impinge on the club's freedom to build a competitive first team squad.

 

What is not in any doubt is that we were placed under an embargo as a result of taking out a loan during the initial Covid lockdown period and failing to repay that.  That embargo remains in place: EFL Official Website - Embargo Reporting Service

 

It is unclear whether the terms of that embargo are the same as those which Scunthorpe and Swindon are operating under.  It doesn't seem to be a coincidence that two of the clubs operating under embargo .  Some of the terms of the embargo are clear:

 

1.   We can have a maximum of 23 players of professional standing (that is any player who has played at first team level in any competition bar the pizza cup) in the squad

2.  We cannot pay a transfer fee for any player; we can only sign players out of contract or loanees

3.  Loans can be for a maximum of 6 months (it is unclear whether one player could be here for successive loan periods)

4.  Contracts for new signings can only be for a maximum of one year

5.  Contracts for new signings can only be for a maximum of £800pw

6.  If the squad is at the maximum of 23 youth players already at the club can be given contracts and added to the squad, (thereby exceeding 23)

 

We currently have 23 players in the first team squad who meet the criteria to be classified as professional players:

 

GKs:  Leutwiler, Rogers

Defenders: Clarke, Hart, McGahey, Piergianni, Jameson, Diarra, Couto

Midfielders:  Cisse, Adams, Whelan, Keillor-Dunn, Fage, Stobbs, Bahamboula, Hunt, Hopcutt, Missilou, Vaughan

Forwards:   Hope, Dearnley, Luamba

 

But three of those (Vaughan, Couto, Luamba) are youth players added to the squad during the season.

 

It is unclear whether during the current transfer window thos three can be excluded from the maximum squad number we can have.  That leaves two possibilities:

 

1.  We are at maximum squad numbers and can only sign another player if someone departs

2.  We have three squad places available.

 

Either way, unless  the loan is repaid and the embargo lifted we are subject to the same contract restrictions as exlained above:

 

1.  Only loans or out of contract players can come in.  Which fits with Hunt & Missilou

2.  Maximum £800pw

3.  Maximum one year contract

 

One might assume that if there was an intention to extricate the club from the embargo during this transfer window then appropriate steps may have been taken before the 18th day of it.

 

 

 

 

 

Simple’s we owe 400k apparently for this loan. We sell anyone and the money goes straight to paying this off. Once this happens all of the above goes out the window and we are back on a level playing field. 

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2 minutes ago, Fervid said:

Simple’s we owe 400k apparently for this loan. We sell anyone and the money goes straight to paying this off. Once this happens all of the above goes out the window and we are back on a level playing field. 

Could be less than that now as my understanding is that solidarity payments go to pay it off.

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38 minutes ago, Fervid said:

Simple’s we owe 400k apparently for this loan. We sell anyone and the money goes straight to paying this off. Once this happens all of the above goes out the window and we are back on a level playing field. 

I understood the loan to be £250k (?) and also that the Solidarity payments received have automatically reduced the original total.

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3 hours ago, Dave_Og said:

Typically, the club's lack of openness has led to misunderstandings of the extent of the restrictions that impinge on the club's freedom to build a competitive first team squad.

 

What is not in any doubt is that we were placed under an embargo as a result of taking out a loan during the initial Covid lockdown period and failing to repay that.  That embargo remains in place: EFL Official Website - Embargo Reporting Service

 

It is unclear whether the terms of that embargo are the same as those which Scunthorpe and Swindon are operating under.  It doesn't seem to be a coincidence that two of the clubs operating under embargo .  Some of the terms of the embargo are clear:

 

1.   We can have a maximum of 23 players of professional standing (that is any player who has played at first team level in any competition bar the pizza cup) in the squad

2.  We cannot pay a transfer fee for any player; we can only sign players out of contract or loanees

3.  Loans can be for a maximum of 6 months (it is unclear whether one player could be here for successive loan periods)

4.  Contracts for new signings can only be for a maximum of one year

5.  Contracts for new signings can only be for a maximum of £800pw

6.  If the squad is at the maximum of 23 youth players already at the club can be given contracts and added to the squad, (thereby exceeding 23)

 

We currently have 23 players in the first team squad who meet the criteria to be classified as professional players:

 

GKs:  Leutwiler, Rogers

Defenders: Clarke, Hart, McGahey, Piergianni, Jameson, Diarra, Couto

Midfielders:  Cisse, Adams, Whelan, Keillor-Dunn, Fage, Stobbs, Bahamboula, Hunt, Hopcutt, Missilou, Vaughan

Forwards:   Hope, Dearnley, Luamba

 

But three of those (Vaughan, Couto, Luamba) are youth players added to the squad during the season.

 

It is unclear whether during the current transfer window thos three can be excluded from the maximum squad number we can have.  That leaves two possibilities:

 

1.  We are at maximum squad numbers and can only sign another player if someone departs

2.  We have three squad places available.

 

Either way, unless  the loan is repaid and the embargo lifted we are subject to the same contract restrictions as exlained above:

 

1.  Only loans or out of contract players can come in.  Which fits with Hunt & Missilou

2.  Maximum £800pw

3.  Maximum one year contract

 

One might assume that if there was an intention to extricate the club from the embargo during this transfer window then appropriate steps may have been taken before the 18th day of it.

 

 

 

 

 

Excellent summary @Dave_Og. Have you considered asking the club to put you in charge of all EFL-related administration?!

 

Bit late in the day now, mind 😨

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4 hours ago, League one forever said:


Connor Marlin said on Twitter, more signings to come- so I’m going option two. 

lf we are signing players then l'm going for the option where we are at the maximum and they won't play for us until late feb/early march.

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46 minutes ago, Monty Burns said:

lf we are signing players then l'm going for the option where we are at the maximum and they won't play for us until late feb/early march.


Yeah, or option where we sign them, and then somebody reminds Mo of the rules again,  so we spend the second half the season renegotiating with them to make them available for the last game, where we’ve already been relegated. 

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If the embargo loan is now £250,000 why doesn't AL pay this off considering he's always going on about the £5 million he's spent and wants the club to avoid relegation.

In that respect £250,000 isn't much to a man of his supposed wealth 

What's he playing at?

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The EFL describe "Professional Standing" as "any Player who has made one first team appearance (including as a sub) for any Club in any first team competition (EFL Trophy appearances do not count)" and "a player of Professional Standing leaving the Club on loan does not reduce the number of eligible players the Club is deemed to have."

 

 

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1 hour ago, BP1960 said:

If the embargo loan is now £250,000 why doesn't AL pay this off considering he's always going on about the £5 million he's spent and wants the club to avoid relegation.

In that respect £250,000 isn't much to a man of his supposed wealth 

What's he playing at?

Well I don't think he's got any chance of getting what he wants for the club, regardless of what division we are in, 95% of the fan base can't stand him, he's got a few saleable assets. If i was him, i'd sell all assets, pay myself my directors loans with the income, take what i can for the club and never step foot in Oldham again and put it down to a bad experience. I certainly wouldn't be paying a new manager or any transfer fees, decent wages etc.

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