disjointed Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, PeteG said: Well I don't think he's got any chance of getting what he wants for the club, regardless of what division we are in, 95% of the fan base can't stand him, he's got a few saleable assets. If i was him, i'd sell all assets, pay myself my directors loans with the income, take what i can for the club and never step foot in Oldham again and put it down to a bad experience. I certainly wouldn't be paying a new manager or any transfer fees, decent wages etc. When was the last time he set foot in Oldham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteG Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, disjointed said: When was the last time he set foot in Oldham? November? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, PeteG said: November? Just curious that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneSizeFitz Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 5 hours ago, LaticMark said: The EFL describe "Professional Standing" as "any Player who has made one first team appearance (including as a sub) for any Club in any first team competition (EFL Trophy appearances do not count)" and "a player of Professional Standing leaving the Club on loan does not reduce the number of eligible players the Club is deemed to have." Which suggests that we're already over our quota...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteG Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 hours ago, disjointed said: Just curious that's all. When did we play Rochdale? He was pictured at that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 8 hours ago, PeteG said: When did we play Rochdale? He was pictured at that game. That's when I recall him being here last, wasn't it in October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteG Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, disjointed said: That's when I recall him being here last, wasn't it in October. Possibly, think he was here for a couple of games, so 10 days or so. I certainly don't think there is anything for him to come back for but that's just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share Posted January 19, 2022 14 hours ago, disjointed said: When was the last time he set foot in Oldham? The last couple of years haven't been great for international travel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 29 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: The last couple of years haven't been great for international travel... Stop bringing rational comments into this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteG Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Rumour has it, the signings of Missilou and the lad from Sheff Wednesday haven't been approved by the EFL yet and won't be able to play. I'm guessing it's part of the embargo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, PeteG said: Rumour has it, the signings of Missilou and the lad from Sheff Wednesday haven't been approved by the EFL yet and won't be able to play. I'm guessing it's part of the embargo I just laugh reading this stuff these days... De de de.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 2 hours ago, PeteG said: Rumour has it, the signings of Missilou and the lad from Sheff Wednesday haven't been approved by the EFL yet and won't be able to play. I'm guessing it's part of the embargo The EFL must be scrutinising every move the club makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 https://the72.co.uk/260587/oldham-athletic-defender-will-sutton-extends-farsley-celtic-loan/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 Worth reviving I think after yesterday with some significant new uncertainties thrown our way. Shocker... It is clear that ourselves, Scunthorpe and Swindon remain under embargo unless the EFL are equally useless as the club in updating important information, which I suppose can't be ruled out completely! This is the best understanding I can get of the situation but I can't guarantee it's spot on 1. We can have a maximum of 23 players of professional standing (that is any player who has played at first team level in any competition bar the pizza cup) in the squad 2. We cannot pay a transfer fee for any player; we can only sign players out of contract or loanees 3. Loans can be for a maximum of 6 months (it is unclear whether one player could be here for successive loan periods) 4. Contracts for new signings can only be for a maximum of one year 5. Contracts for new signings can only be for a maximum of £800pw 6. If the squad is at the maximum of 23 youth players already at the club can be given contracts and added to the squad, (thereby exceeding 23) We currently have 23 players in the first team squad who meet the criteria to be classified as professional players: GKs: Leutwiler, Rogers (2) Defenders: Clarke, Hart, McGahey, Piergianni, Jameson, Diarra, Couto (7) Midfielders: Cisse, Adams, Whelan, Keillor-Dunn, Fage, Stobbs, Bahamboula, Hunt, Hopcutt, Missilou, Vaughan (11) Forwards: Hope, Luamba, Fondop (replacing Dearnley) (3) Total 23 Although the EFL rules allow some leeway to exceed the cap of 23 in terms of youth players the fact that we are exactly at it suggest to me that it hasn't been granted. The paying off of Dearnley and the apparent attempts to offload another three are puzzling. It seems completely incompatible with the terms of the embargo that a club could simply agree to pay up the salaries of a batch of players and then sign some more. In financial terms that's no different to signing more players which leads us to the conclusion that either: 1. the reported attempts to do so were inaccurate 2. that the club didn't understand the implications 3. that the EFL rules are nonsensical All three seem entirely possible! If we did, unsuccessfully, try to ship out three players and tell them that they wouldn't be playing again then effectively the squad is down to 20. It's possible that the numbers may be beefed up a little through the introduction of more youths to the first team; Simms appears to be the closest. Unless the EFL exercise discretion it appears that the lads out on loan who have played for the first team (Sutton, Modi) won't be able to play senior football for us. The apparent fact that we are at maximum numbers would seem to rule out picking up any free agents who may be floating around. There remains plenty of conjecture in there because we simply don't know all the facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Seen it suggested that Rogers only became established after playing on Saturday. Not sure how that works with him playing 100+ plus games in Scotland but who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 13 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Worth reviving I think after yesterday with some significant new uncertainties thrown our way. Shocker... It is clear that ourselves, Scunthorpe and Swindon remain under embargo unless the EFL are equally useless as the club in updating important information, which I suppose can't be ruled out completely! This is the best understanding I can get of the situation but I can't guarantee it's spot on 1. We can have a maximum of 23 players of professional standing (that is any player who has played at first team level in any competition bar the pizza cup) in the squad 2. We cannot pay a transfer fee for any player; we can only sign players out of contract or loanees 3. Loans can be for a maximum of 6 months (it is unclear whether one player could be here for successive loan periods) 4. Contracts for new signings can only be for a maximum of one year 5. Contracts for new signings can only be for a maximum of £800pw 6. If the squad is at the maximum of 23 youth players already at the club can be given contracts and added to the squad, (thereby exceeding 23) We currently have 23 players in the first team squad who meet the criteria to be classified as professional players: GKs: Leutwiler, Rogers (2) Defenders: Clarke, Hart, McGahey, Piergianni, Jameson, Diarra, Couto (7) Midfielders: Cisse, Adams, Whelan, Keillor-Dunn, Fage, Stobbs, Bahamboula, Hunt, Hopcutt, Missilou, Vaughan (11) Forwards: Hope, Luamba, Fondop (replacing Dearnley) (3) Total 23 Although the EFL rules allow some leeway to exceed the cap of 23 in terms of youth players the fact that we are exactly at it suggest to me that it hasn't been granted. The paying off of Dearnley and the apparent attempts to offload another three are puzzling. It seems completely incompatible with the terms of the embargo that a club could simply agree to pay up the salaries of a batch of players and then sign some more. In financial terms that's no different to signing more players which leads us to the conclusion that either: 1. the reported attempts to do so were inaccurate 2. that the club didn't understand the implications 3. that the EFL rules are nonsensical All three seem entirely possible! If we did, unsuccessfully, try to ship out three players and tell them that they wouldn't be playing again then effectively the squad is down to 20. It's possible that the numbers may be beefed up a little through the introduction of more youths to the first team; Simms appears to be the closest. Unless the EFL exercise discretion it appears that the lads out on loan who have played for the first team (Sutton, Modi) won't be able to play senior football for us. The apparent fact that we are at maximum numbers would seem to rule out picking up any free agents who may be floating around. There remains plenty of conjecture in there because we simply don't know all the facts 11 midfielders!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: It seems completely incompatible with the terms of the embargo that a club could simply agree to pay up the salaries of a batch of players and then sign some more. In financial terms that's no different to signing more players It could be a loophole as those players will no longer be registered at the club and therefore not part of the 23 players allowed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 Just now, BP1960 said: 11 midfielders!!! 12 if you count Hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: It could be a loophole as those players will no longer be registered at the club and therefore not part of the 23 players allowed? I think that falls under option 3. - the EFL Rules are nonsensical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 25 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Worth reviving I think after yesterday with some significant new uncertainties thrown our way. Shocker... It is clear that ourselves, Scunthorpe and Swindon remain under embargo unless the EFL are equally useless as the club in updating important information, which I suppose can't be ruled out completely! This is the best understanding I can get of the situation but I can't guarantee it's spot on 1. We can have a maximum of 23 players of professional standing (that is any player who has played at first team level in any competition bar the pizza cup) in the squad 2. We cannot pay a transfer fee for any player; we can only sign players out of contract or loanees 3. Loans can be for a maximum of 6 months (it is unclear whether one player could be here for successive loan periods) 4. Contracts for new signings can only be for a maximum of one year 5. Contracts for new signings can only be for a maximum of £800pw 6. If the squad is at the maximum of 23 youth players already at the club can be given contracts and added to the squad, (thereby exceeding 23) We currently have 23 players in the first team squad who meet the criteria to be classified as professional players: GKs: Leutwiler, Rogers (2) Defenders: Clarke, Hart, McGahey, Piergianni, Jameson, Diarra, Couto (7) Midfielders: Cisse, Adams, Whelan, Keillor-Dunn, Fage, Stobbs, Bahamboula, Hunt, Hopcutt, Missilou, Vaughan (11) Forwards: Hope, Luamba, Fondop (replacing Dearnley) (3) Total 23 Although the EFL rules allow some leeway to exceed the cap of 23 in terms of youth players the fact that we are exactly at it suggest to me that it hasn't been granted. The paying off of Dearnley and the apparent attempts to offload another three are puzzling. It seems completely incompatible with the terms of the embargo that a club could simply agree to pay up the salaries of a batch of players and then sign some more. In financial terms that's no different to signing more players which leads us to the conclusion that either: 1. the reported attempts to do so were inaccurate 2. that the club didn't understand the implications 3. that the EFL rules are nonsensical All three seem entirely possible! If we did, unsuccessfully, try to ship out three players and tell them that they wouldn't be playing again then effectively the squad is down to 20. It's possible that the numbers may be beefed up a little through the introduction of more youths to the first team; Simms appears to be the closest. Unless the EFL exercise discretion it appears that the lads out on loan who have played for the first team (Sutton, Modi) won't be able to play senior football for us. The apparent fact that we are at maximum numbers would seem to rule out picking up any free agents who may be floating around. There remains plenty of conjecture in there because we simply don't know all the facts You can't really do much more than this, Dave. Thanks . That last paragraph tho Shouldn't be acceptable that almost 100% of the fanbase is at best 'unsure' of our situation and even that's because you have single handedly dragged a sizeable chunk of us there from 'havent a clue'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Monty Burns said: You can't really do much more than this, Dave. Thanks . That last paragraph tho Shouldn't be acceptable that almost 100% of the fanbase is at best 'unsure' of our situation and even that's because you have single handedly dragged a sizeable chunk of us there from 'havent a clue'. Well the original post started with: Typically, the club's lack of openness has led to misunderstandings of the extent of the restrictions that impinge on the club's freedom to build a competitive first team squad. Nothing's changed there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 41 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Worth reviving I think after yesterday with some significant new uncertainties thrown our way. Shocker... It is clear that ourselves, Scunthorpe and Swindon remain under embargo unless the EFL are equally useless as the club in updating important information, which I suppose can't be ruled out completely! This is the best understanding I can get of the situation but I can't guarantee it's spot on 1. We can have a maximum of 23 players of professional standing (that is any player who has played at first team level in any competition bar the pizza cup) in the squad 2. We cannot pay a transfer fee for any player; we can only sign players out of contract or loanees 3. Loans can be for a maximum of 6 months (it is unclear whether one player could be here for successive loan periods) 4. Contracts for new signings can only be for a maximum of one year 5. Contracts for new signings can only be for a maximum of £800pw 6. If the squad is at the maximum of 23 youth players already at the club can be given contracts and added to the squad, (thereby exceeding 23) We currently have 23 players in the first team squad who meet the criteria to be classified as professional players: GKs: Leutwiler, Rogers (2) Defenders: Clarke, Hart, McGahey, Piergianni, Jameson, Diarra, Couto (7) Midfielders: Cisse, Adams, Whelan, Keillor-Dunn, Fage, Stobbs, Bahamboula, Hunt, Hopcutt, Missilou, Vaughan (11) Forwards: Hope, Luamba, Fondop (replacing Dearnley) (3) Total 23 Although the EFL rules allow some leeway to exceed the cap of 23 in terms of youth players the fact that we are exactly at it suggest to me that it hasn't been granted. The paying off of Dearnley and the apparent attempts to offload another three are puzzling. It seems completely incompatible with the terms of the embargo that a club could simply agree to pay up the salaries of a batch of players and then sign some more. In financial terms that's no different to signing more players which leads us to the conclusion that either: 1. the reported attempts to do so were inaccurate 2. that the club didn't understand the implications 3. that the EFL rules are nonsensical All three seem entirely possible! If we did, unsuccessfully, try to ship out three players and tell them that they wouldn't be playing again then effectively the squad is down to 20. It's possible that the numbers may be beefed up a little through the introduction of more youths to the first team; Simms appears to be the closest. Unless the EFL exercise discretion it appears that the lads out on loan who have played for the first team (Sutton, Modi) won't be able to play senior football for us. The apparent fact that we are at maximum numbers would seem to rule out picking up any free agents who may be floating around. There remains plenty of conjecture in there because we simply don't know all the facts Excellent information thank you. My guess on the players we were trying to ship out is that we would have been offering a mutual termination with no money. Given his past form, I really can't imagine Abdallah paying up contracts in full. Dearnley would have agreed because he already had a deal lined up, but I would guess the others didn't and hence refused to mutually terminate as they would have been left without a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, nzlatic said: Excellent information thank you. My guess on the players we were trying to ship out is that we would have been offering a mutual termination with no money. Given his past form, I really can't imagine Abdallah paying up contracts in full. Dearnley would have agreed because he already had a deal lined up, but I would guess the others didn't and hence refused to mutually terminate as they would have been left without a job. Can't see much mutual about a termination with no money - they'd have to be insane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 25 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Can't see much mutual about a termination with no money - they'd have to be insane! Or you'd have to be daft to suggest it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercater Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 On 1/19/2022 at 8:03 AM, PeteG said: Possibly, think he was here for a couple of games, so 10 days or so. I certainly don't think there is anything for him to come back for but that's just my opinion. Would he not have to come back into the country if a sale of the club goes ahead to sign paperwork and complete administative duties, etc (Even in the electronic age)?. Same maybe for administration. Won't have to be done in Oldham, but if he lands in the country could be a sign something is happening. I had to liquidate a company and had to have lots of face to faces to do the paperwork. I may be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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