League one forever Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, nzlatic said: I think I'm repeating myself here, but it's possible for the board to have given him this season as a freebie given what's happened at the club, but for them to be much more expectant next season. It may even have been discussed at the start... eg "we're not going to apply any pressure for results this season because we're all rebuilding, but next season we expect to be challenging at the top of the division". Just because they've been relaxed about league position this season doesn't mean they will always be so. Yes, that’s fair and certainly feasible. I just think they believe in him and he’ll be given a hefty amount of leeway. In part for continuity and letting him ‘build,’ and in part because of much publicised relationship with Joe and Darren. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Joe Royle taking over was before my time - what was his remit back then? To maintain our (old) second division status or take us up in two seasons? If it wasn't the latter, the comparison makes even less sense... Unsworth has to completely change his approach to games for the promotion push next season. It needs more than just signings - it needs a different mentality. From game one we need to be going for the jugular. The "new players will take time to bed in" excuse after we lose 2-0 at home to fucking Eastleigh or someone on the first day of the season won't be acceptable. It's not just one game he'll have had - it'll be almost a full season and one game to get the system right. Pressure should rightly be on from the off.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 38 minutes ago, JoeP said: Joe Royle taking over was before my time - what was his remit back then? To maintain our (old) second division status or take us up in two seasons? If it wasn't the latter, the comparison makes even less sense... Stop us going bust, basically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 53 minutes ago, JoeP said: Joe Royle taking over was before my time - what was his remit back then? To maintain our (old) second division status or take us up in two seasons? If it wasn't the latter, the comparison makes even less sense... Unsworth has to completely change his approach to games for the promotion push next season. It needs more than just signings - it needs a different mentality. From game one we need to be going for the jugular. The "new players will take time to bed in" excuse after we lose 2-0 at home to fucking Eastleigh or someone on the first day of the season won't be acceptable. It's not just one game he'll have had - it'll be almost a full season and one game to get the system right. Pressure should rightly be on from the off.. "Joe, bring in few bargains from Manchester City and Leeds United and a player you liked when he was at Halifax. Any who can be sold on for £1 million will be appreciated". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Completely different set of circumstances, then.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, JoeP said: Completely different set of circumstances, then.. Still bargains to be had, football never changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Still bargains to be had, football never changes. Indeed. Unsworth (or whoever's supposed to be in charge of signings) aren't exactly pulling many rabbits out of any hats on that front either.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 4 hours ago, JoeP said: Joe Royle taking over was before my time - what was his remit back then? To maintain our (old) second division status or take us up in two seasons? If it wasn't the latter, the comparison makes even less sense... Unsworth has to completely change his approach to games for the promotion push next season. It needs more than just signings - it needs a different mentality. From game one we need to be going for the jugular. The "new players will take time to bed in" excuse after we lose 2-0 at home to fucking Eastleigh or someone on the first day of the season won't be acceptable. It's not just one game he'll have had - it'll be almost a full season and one game to get the system right. Pressure should rightly be on from the off.. Do you think if he’s doing ok next season, (8th - 12th ) he’ll lose his job? Not would you sack him, but what do you think the club will do? Personally I think he’s on the golden ticket for the smallest incremental improvement, and won’t be under pressure in the above circumstance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 8 hours ago, JoeP said: Indeed. Unsworth (or whoever's supposed to be in charge of signings) aren't exactly pulling many rabbits out of any hats on that front either.. Yarney. Green. Kitching. Reid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 6 hours ago, League one forever said: Do you think if he’s doing ok next season, (8th - 12th ) he’ll lose his job? Not would you sack him, but what do you think the club will do? Personally I think he’s on the golden ticket for the smallest incremental improvement, and won’t be under pressure in the above circumstance. If we finish 14th, 12th and 10th in his 3 seasons do you think they’ll give him a new contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 21 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: Yarney. Green. Kitching. Reid. Steady on. Yarney has been good, Kitching has been alright 60 percent of the time and the jury is definitely out on the other two... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 6 hours ago, League one forever said: Do you think if he’s doing ok next season, (8th - 12th ) he’ll lose his job? Not would you sack him, but what do you think the club will do? Personally I think he’s on the golden ticket for the smallest incremental improvement, and won’t be under pressure in the above circumstance. No, although I'm hoping Frank et al will find a mean streak that demands more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 24 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: Yarney. Green. Kitching. Reid. Yarney's done alright. I can't see any of the others turning into the next Earl Barrett, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, JoeP said: Yarney's done alright. I can't see any of the others turning into the next Earl Barrett, though. It would be quite a surprise if a left back, a right winger and a striker turned into the next Earl Barrett - albeit that Earl was played out of position for most of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 hours ago, nzlatic said: If we finish 14th, 12th and 10th in his 3 seasons do you think they’ll give him a new contract? Frank might have run out of money by then with disillusioned fans and gates back to 3,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: It would be quite a surprise if a left back, a right winger and a striker turned into the next Earl Barrett - albeit that Earl was played out of position for most of his career. Not really the point I was making. Royle brought in players he can improve to sell on for a (sometimes massive) profit. We might be able to do that with Yarney. Doubt we will with the others.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 minute ago, JoeP said: Not really the point I was making. Royle brought in players he can improve to sell on for a (sometimes massive) profit. We might be able to do that with Yarney. Doubt we will with the others.. I missed off my smiley face... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 52 minutes ago, JoeP said: Not really the point I was making. Royle brought in players he can improve to sell on for a (sometimes massive) profit. We might be able to do that with Yarney. Doubt we will with the others.. not massive, but sounds like Tollitt will be sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, LightDN123 said: not massive, but sounds like Tollitt will be sold. That's interesting. Fair play to Shez for making that signing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 24 minutes ago, JoeP said: That's interesting. Fair play to Shez for making that signing... And Unsworth for extending the contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 12 hours ago, BP1960 said: Still bargains to be had, football never changes. The big difference nowadays is that nobody can match the enormous salaries "earned" by top flight reserves/rejects bar those in the Championship gambling on getting in to the Premiership. The game is, sadly, totally money orientated so picking up an Irwin, Barrett or Warhurst or a waning Johnstone, Quixall or Wilson is nigh impossible so we have to trade in the bargain basement and non-league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 12 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: And Unsworth for extending the contract? The fact that Unsworth went off him so quickly after he signed the contract suggests that the contract extension might be one of these "club decisions"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 3 hours ago, nzlatic said: If we finish 14th, 12th and 10th in his 3 seasons do you think they’ll give him a new contract? Yes, I do. In fact if he’s in and around the playoffs next season, 8-12th I can see them offering him a contact extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 3 hours ago, JoeP said: No, although I'm hoping Frank et al will find a mean streak that demands more... Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 32 minutes ago, JoeP said: The fact that Unsworth went off him so quickly after he signed the contract suggests that the contract extension might be one of these "club decisions"! Who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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