Micky Mellon Sack Watch

[nzlatic]

15 minutes ago, LightDN123 said:

I think not signing a right back for the last 2 years to 18 months is just as bad as the Menig situation. It’s beyond incompetent at this point. 

We’ve signed 2 they just haven’t worked out. 
 

Freeman - played at a much higher level. Looked decent at times. Then just disappeared. Fitness? Personal reasons? 
 

Sachdev - looks dodgy on occasion, looked good on occasion. Seemingly out of favour now. Not sure why. 
 

It’s a position that we can’t get wrong this summer. 

[deyres42]

There seemed to be a plan in the early part of the summer window signing players with a younger profile then for whatever reason they moved away from that.

[nzlatic]

59 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said:

 

Doesnt matter how good he was for someonelse he was dog shit for us. He played 4 times and scored 1 goal costing us over £500k in wages he is the worst value for money signing in the clubs history and it was done completely over the managers head as a present to the fans. As presents go I'd rather have a lynx africa box set. 

If only Frank hadn’t wasted so much money on sorting a water supply, fixing the floodlights, renovating all the pitches, paying bills and salaries, sorting out a fans bar and a whole host of other infrastructure work then we’d easily be able to afford another Queensy Menig. 

[Bobledgersheart]

8 hours ago, Bobledgersheart said:

Good luck, are you and @GKing521 whacking it ?? 

 

1 hour ago, spanishfly said:

I`ve been very civil on here Bob but the problem is senile old fools like you making up conspiracy theories about senile old fools like me being the re-incarnation of some previous poster on here. You started having a dig at me early doors by asking did I enjoy my time in Spain or something similar. What I should have told you is this; no I didn't because I spent several years in a nasty Spanish gaol for my alleged part in the importation of large quantities of controlled drugs from Morocco. I was innocent of that too but sometimes life sucks. Does that satisfy your silly conspiracy theory? Give it a rest with your continuing snide comments. Doesn't make you clever or 'ard you know. Or do you yearn to be part of the little "bully" set on here? Make you feel good? 

Was implying that you and @GKing521were sharing the bet as your optimism ( if the bet was actually made ) contrasts with his pessimism and it would be a funny alliance.

I may have took your original post the wrong way as I thought you were implying that someone at the club didn't want  promotion this season. If you were just saying the bookies has written us off, apologies.

 

I'm certainly not a bully however and have never implied you had several accounts but did ask if you enjoyed Spain as you didn't seem very happy in this country. 

 

[GlossopLatic]

43 minutes ago, LightDN123 said:

I think not signing a right back for the last 2 years to 18 months is just as bad as the Menig situation. It’s beyond incompetent at this point. 

 

We've signed 2 right backs this season in Freeman and Sanchev it's just that neither have nailed down the position.

 

Abit like the midfield situation we've signed enough players in that time to have solved the problem in the last 2 years but its still a weak area.

 

So it's not like the problem area's haven't been acknowledged the solutions haven't been right. Which is why the board and team management need to get their heads together and have a Frank and honest discussion about why the recruitment hasn't been as good as it could be.

 

I don't think it's been Beyond incompetent as you put it but it definitely has to improve.

 

 

Edited April 3 by GlossopLatic

[LightDN123]

27 minutes ago, nzlatic said:

We’ve signed 2 they just haven’t worked out. 
 

Freeman - played at a much higher level. Looked decent at times. Then just disappeared. Fitness? Personal reasons? 
 

Sachdev - looks dodgy on occasion, looked good on occasion. Seemingly out of favour now. Not sure why. 
 

It’s a position that we can’t get wrong this summer. 

 

3 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said:

 

We've signed 2 right backs this season in Freeman and Sanchev it's just that neither have nailed down the position.

 

Abit like the midfield situation we've signed enough players in that time to have solved the problem in the last 2 years but its still a weak area.

 

So it's not like the problem area's haven't been acknowledged the solutions haven't been right. 

 

 

I’m sorry but signing a player who hardly played for two years on a short term deal, and a young right back who had never played a professional game, is not them trying to solve the problem, they

panicked. 
 

Our right back situation is incompetent, at best. It’s bloody criminal and pathetic. 

 

[Lee Sinnott]

51 minutes ago, LightDN123 said:

I think not signing a right back for the last 2 years to 18 months is just as bad as the Menig situation. It’s beyond incompetent at this point. 

Just this season alone, we signed Freeman and Sachdev...

[simplythemostimportantkick]

8 hours ago, nzlatic said:

That will explain why it's come down to 80/1!

Because of wiseowls fictional fiddy? 

[TwistingMyMellon]

1 hour ago, spanishfly said:

no I didn't because I spent several years in a nasty Spanish gaol for my alleged part in the importation of large quantities of controlled drugs from Morocco.

 

Blimey and I thought I had it bad watching Oldham....

[LightDN123]

10 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said:

Just this season alone, we signed Freeman and Sachdev...

See my post above 

[nzlatic]

20 minutes ago, LightDN123 said:

 

I’m sorry but signing a player who hardly played for two years on a short term deal, and a young right back who had never played a professional game, is not them trying to solve the problem, they

panicked. 
 

Our right back situation is incompetent, at best. It’s bloody criminal and pathetic. 

 

Us signing 2 players and them not working out is not criminal/pathetic. Especially when we don’t know the reasons they’ve not worked out nor do we know who else was available. 
 

It is frustrating though and obviously needs resolving. It also bridges 2 management/recruitment teams, the second of which hasn’t had a summer to deal with it. 

[League one forever]

1 hour ago, nzlatic said:

 

There's quite a bit of speculation in here. Comments above.

 

I'm not saying he's done a great job. But I'm not saying he's done a bad job. For starters I don't know for sure exactly what his remit is and on what criteria to judge him. But also, he's been in the role for less than 2 seasons.

 

Recruitment should have been better, particularly last summer. But it might be that this summer is where a lot of it will be addressed. Again, too early and not enough info to judge that he "shouldn't be anywhere near important footballing decisions".

You asked for examples- I gave you some. You can pull everything apart if that suits your narrative. (Not a dig) 

 

You come across online as someone who always, always wants to defend the club, by finding any multitude of reason for failure and/or mistakes. Which is fine when there is grey area. 
 

Places there isn’t grey area. 
 

The family are on record saying they won’t get involved with football decisions. I believe them- so if they aren’t doing it, who is?? Both Unsy and Mellon have said in interviews they are constantly on the phone to DR, so while I wasn’t in the room listening everything suggest from the family and managers that he is heavily involved in the football side. 
 

DR is on record as staying stats Bomb is highly effective tool for recruitment and we were one of only a few clubs to have it. If it’s been used - it’s been woeful. If it’s not been used, why have it in the first place. 
 

DR is on record as saying a B team is important (because Unsworth said it was) then it disappeared when Mellon arrived. Where is the oversight from the man making the footballing decisions or does he just go with what the manager says. . . 
 

DR is on record as saying the youth is vital to the health the club. Our only player to come through got sold cheaply, when it’s obvious that had he played more we would have potentially got a higher fee. If we did or not is irrelevant- are we giving them a pathway or not?? One player in two years, who hardly played is not what he said is vital to the club, and at interview I would fully expect him to tell the manager how important that is to the club. Instead, he folds and we just sign more strikers and more midfielders on long contacts. 
 

We haven’t had an established right back for two seasons- that is at best a mystery and at worse negligent. He can’t tell the manager who to sign but for someone who is in charge of footballing decisions- the facts tells us- he lets the managers sign who they want. 
 

What does in charge of football decisions mean? It means leaving the manager to do his job under the remit of which you agreed at the time of appointment. On both occasions it looks like DR and the board have said do what you like and we’ll back you. The facts not guesswork tell you that. Two years later and we extremely lopsided squad and our return for a fantastic budget is 12th and 9th. 
 

DR - (on the football side alone) has done a poor job. 

 

I know you’ll pull my post apart, so I’ll leave it there. 

[League one forever]

2 hours ago, nzlatic said:

 

There's quite a bit of speculation in here. Comments above.

 

I'm not saying he's done a great job. But I'm not saying he's done a bad job. For starters I don't know for sure exactly what his remit is and on what criteria to judge him. But also, he's been in the role for less than 2 seasons.

 

Recruitment should have been better, particularly last summer. But it might be that this summer is where a lot of it will be addressed. Again, too early and not enough info to judge that he "shouldn't be anywhere near important footballing decisions".

 

Edited April 3 by League one forever
Double post.

[spanishfly]

44 minutes ago, Bobledgersheart said:

 

Was implying that you and @GKing521were sharing the bet as your optimism ( if the bet was actually made ) contrasts with his pessimism and it would be a funny alliance.

I may have took your original post the wrong way as I thought you were implying that someone at the club didn't want  promotion this season. If you were just saying the bookies has written us off, apologies.

 

I'm certainly not a bully however and have never implied you had several accounts but did ask if you enjoyed Spain as you didn't seem very happy in this country. 

 

Ok understood and happy to part on friendly terms. I love being back in England; Botafuegos was not a nice place 

Edited April 3 by spanishfly

[nzlatic]

9 minutes ago, League one forever said:

You asked for examples- I gave you some. You can pull everything apart if that suits your narrative. (Not a dig) 

 

You come across online as someone who always, always wants to defend the club, by finding any multitude of reason for failure and/or mistakes. Which is fine when there is grey area. 
 

Places there isn’t grey area. 
 

The family are on record saying they won’t get involved with football decisions. I believe them- so if they aren’t doing it, who is?? Both Unsy and Mellon have said in interviews they are constantly on the phone to DR, so while I wasn’t in the room listening everything suggest from the family and managers that he is heavily involved in the football side. 
 

DR is on record as staying stats Bomb is highly effective tool for recruitment and we were one of only a few clubs to have it. If it’s been used - it’s been woeful. If it’s not been used, why have it in the first place. 
 

DR is on record as saying a B team is important (because Unsworth said it was) then it disappeared when Mellon arrived. Where is the oversight from the man making the footballing decisions or does he just go with what the manager says. . . 
 

DR is on record as saying the youth is vital to the health the club. Our only player to come through got sold cheaply, when it’s obvious that had he played more we would have potentially got a higher fee. If we did or not is irrelevant- are we giving them a pathway or not?? One player in two years, who hardly played is not what he said is vital to the club, and at interview I would fully expect him to tell the manager how important that is to the club. Instead, he folds and we just sign more strikers and more midfielders on long contacts. 
 

We haven’t had an established right back for two seasons- that is at best a mystery and at worse negligent. He can’t tell the manager who to sign but for someone who is in charge of footballing decisions- the facts tells us- he lets the managers sign who they want. 
 

What does in charge of football decisions mean? It means leaving the manager to do his job under the remit of which you agreed at the time of appointment. On both occasions it looks like DR and the board have said do what you like and we’ll back you. The facts not guesswork tell you that. Two years later and we extremely lopsided squad and our return for a fantastic budget is 12th and 9th. 
 

DR - (on the football side alone) has done a poor job. 

 

I know you’ll pull my post apart, so I’ll leave it there. 

I’m not going to pull your post apart because you’ve just done the same again, made assumptions to fit your position and tried to pass it off as evidence you’re right. 
 

I will pull you up on the bit I’ve highlighted though as it’s simply not true. I just hold off on making absolute judgements about failure/success unless I have the facts of a situation. Or unless I think sufficient time has passed to judge something properly. So far, the weight of evidence is that those running the club are doing really well (infrastructure, plans for future development, paying the fucking bills! etc) and have the right intentions. Based on that, I’m happy to give more time and benefit of the doubt when it comes to that filtering through to what’s happening on the pitch.

[League one forever]

6 minutes ago, nzlatic said:

So far, the weight of evidence is that those running the club are doing really well (infrastructure, plans for future development, paying the fucking bills! etc) and have the right intentions. Based on that, I’m happy to give more time and benefit of the doubt when it comes to that filtering through to what’s happening on the pitch.

Never in doubt. 
 

I said - the football operation alone. 
 

8 minutes ago, nzlatic said:

I’m not going to pull your post apart because you’ve just done the same again, made assumptions to fit your position and tried to pass it off as evidence you’re right. 

Stats bomb.
 

One youth player sold- without really playing for the first team- despite his performances being good enough. 
 

No other youth player in the first team- despite big proclamations. 
 

B team with Unsworth

 

No B team with Mellon. 

 

6 centre half’s 

 

12 midfielders 

 

8 strikers 

 

No right back.

 

One left back. 

 

None of that is made up. It’s either what DR has said, or what has happened. 
 

If you don’t think two years is enough time to asses someone’s suitably to the role- then fine, but I disagree. 
 

It won’t happen because he so intwined into the club, but Id like him to keep doing what he’s doing on everything bar the football decisions. 

[PeteG]

15 minutes ago, nzlatic said:

I’m not going to pull your post apart because you’ve just done the same again, made assumptions to fit your position and tried to pass it off as evidence you’re right. 
 

I will pull you up on the bit I’ve highlighted though as it’s simply not true. I just hold off on making absolute judgements about failure/success unless I have the facts of a situation. Or unless I think sufficient time has passed to judge something properly. So far, the weight of evidence is that those running the club are doing really well (infrastructure, plans for future development, paying the fucking bills! etc) and have the right intentions. Based on that, I’m happy to give more time and benefit of the doubt when it comes to that filtering through to what’s happening on the pitch.

DR is the CEO - he's the highest paid and highest rank employee in the organisation. Any CEO is to oversee all aspects of the business even though they will inevitably delegate many of the roles which require day to day, hands on roles. If everything off the pitch has improved, he will rightly take the plaudits but when it's been a complete mess on the pitch and much of the original plan has been shelved and we've not heard anything with regards to a new plan (as I've said previously, we just seem to be winging it) it is only right people question what he's doing and if he's the right man to lead the club at what is a vital period. You only have so long to make the most in terms of goodwill in change of ownership and my concern is we are wasting it. It will be 2 years before next season starts and at some point the honeymoon period will be over and gates will begin to fall if we are subjected to the performances we have seen thus far, especially at home. People are questioning Mellon, my only point really is we need to possibly have a total rethink before we even contemplate changing manager once again. It may well be, that the rethink has already taken place or is doing in the coming weeks but it would be nice to hear from the CEO once in a while from the official channels at the club. When was the last time he provided any sort of update?? 

[nzlatic]

6 minutes ago, League one forever said:

Never in doubt. 
 

I said - the football operation alone. 
 

Stats bomb.
 

One youth player sold- without really playing for the first team- despite his performances being good enough. 
 

No other youth player in the first team- despite big proclamations. 
 

B team with Unsworth

 

No B team with Mellon. 

 

6 centre half’s 

 

12 midfielders 

 

8 strikers 

 

No right back.

 

One left back. 

 

None of that is made up. It’s either what DR has said, or what has happened. 
 

If you don’t think two years is enough time to asses someone’s suitably to the role- then fine, but I disagree. 
 

It won’t happen because he so intwined into the club, but Id like him to keep doing what he’s doing on everything bar the football decisions. 

I don’t want to keep dragging this out, but I suppose to summarise my position I do agree that there have been issues with our recruitment of course. I just won’t point fingers when I don’t have facts. Eg stats bomb - we simply don’t know how extensively it’s been used or how influential it has been or how much at fault it is for the recruitment that hasn’t gone well. Plus as with most tech systems, it’s only as good as the people operating it!

 

I will be a lot more concerned if we’re still seeing similar issues 2 months into next season. 

[PeteG]

5 minutes ago, nzlatic said:

I don’t want to keep dragging this out, but I suppose to summarise my position I do agree that there have been issues with our recruitment of course. I just won’t point fingers when I don’t have facts. Eg stats bomb - we simply don’t know how extensively it’s been used or how influential it has been or how much at fault it is for the recruitment that hasn’t gone well. Plus as with most tech systems, it’s only as good as the people operating it!

 

I will be a lot more concerned if we’re still seeing similar issues 2 months into next season. 

The majority of us were saying the same thing 12 months ago. It has arguably been worse this season even if we do finish a couple of positions higher as they had a full pre-season this time to prepare. We can't keep making excuses about previous ownership and what they inherited. AL also inherited a mess of a club but protests were under way less than a full season in (Mansfield at home) when we still had an outside chance of reaching the play-offs in League 2. If the plan is still the same and there are mitigating circumstances as to why the recruitment has not worked thus far, we need the club to tell us and to say this is the path they are going down and stand by it. If they think they got it wrong, admit it and again tell us the new plan. They have just increased season ticket prices (rightly imo) but they can't just expect people to have blind faith after overseeing some of the worst results in the clubs history.

[nzlatic]

5 minutes ago, PeteG said:

The majority of us were saying the same thing 12 months ago. It has arguably been worse this season even if we do finish a couple of positions higher as they had a full pre-season this time to prepare. We can't keep making excuses about previous ownership and what they inherited. AL also inherited a mess of a club but protests were under way less than a full season in (Mansfield at home) when we still had an outside chance of reaching the play-offs in League 2. If the plan is still the same and there are mitigating circumstances as to why the recruitment has not worked thus far, we need the club to tell us and to say this is the path they are going down and stand by it. If they think they got it wrong, admit it and again tell us the new plan. They have just increased season ticket prices (rightly imo) but they can't just expect people to have blind faith after overseeing some of the worst results in the clubs history.

Can you list the areas of the club that improved under the ownership of Abdallah Lemsagam, the sporting directorship of Mo Lemsagam and their senior advisor/club director Barry Owen? For example, what infrastructure, staffing or playing department areas of the business were left in a better state than what they inherited?

[PeteG]

3 minutes ago, nzlatic said:

Can you list the areas of the club that improved under the ownership of Abdallah Lemsagam, the sporting directorship of Mo Lemsagam and their senior advisor/club director Barry Owen? For example, what infrastructure, staffing or playing department areas of the business were left in a better state than what they inherited?

What is the relevance of that in terms of what we are discussing now? What areas of the club improved under the ownership of Corney? Are just going to keep going back? We are talking about now.

[GlossopLatic]

6 minutes ago, PeteG said:

What is the relevance of that in terms of what we are discussing now? What areas of the club improved under the ownership of Corney? Are just going to keep going back? We are talking about now.

 

So in other words nothing.

[nzlatic]

7 minutes ago, PeteG said:

What is the relevance of that in terms of what we are discussing now? What areas of the club improved under the ownership of Corney? Are just going to keep going back? We are talking about now.

You literally referred back to the previous regime and the situation they inherited in your post and inferred that protests hampered a promotion push. Why mention that unless you think the fans are letting this ownership off lightly by not doing similar? 

 

What this ownership and board have done off the pitch is very relevant when discussing their performance so far.

 

Funnily enough I was browsing #oafc on twitter earlier. There was someone on there banging on about club communication, plans and statements as well. As for Corney, that was also a bad era for the club under his ownership and the senior club director Barry Owen.

[mcfluff1985]

3 hours ago, nzlatic said:

 

There's quite a bit of speculation in here. Comments above.

 

I'm not saying he's done a great job. But I'm not saying he's done a bad job. For starters I don't know for sure exactly what his remit is and on what criteria to judge him. But also, he's been in the role for less than 2 seasons.

 

Recruitment should have been better, particularly last summer. But it might be that this summer is where a lot of it will be addressed. Again, too early and not enough info to judge that he "shouldn't be anywhere near important footballing decisions".

He does this. States stuff as absolute fact, when he can't know for sure it is. 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, spanishfly said:

I`ve been very civil on here Bob but the problem is senile old fools like you making up conspiracy theories about senile old fools like me being the re-incarnation of some previous poster on here. You started having a dig at me early doors by asking did I enjoy my time in Spain or something similar. What I should have told you is this; no I didn't because I spent several years in a nasty Spanish gaol for my alleged part in the importation of large quantities of controlled drugs from Morocco. I was innocent of that too but sometimes life sucks. Does that satisfy your silly conspiracy theory? Give it a rest with your continuing snide comments. Doesn't make you clever or 'ard you know. Or do you yearn to be part of the little "bully" set on here? Make you feel good? 

 

Alright Walter Mitty

[BP1960]

48 minutes ago, nzlatic said:

I don’t want to keep dragging this out, but I suppose to summarise my position I do agree that there have been issues with our recruitment of course. I just won’t point fingers when I don’t have facts. Eg stats bomb - we simply don’t know how extensively it’s been used or how influential it has been or how much at fault it is for the recruitment that hasn’t gone well. Plus as with most tech systems, it’s only as good as the people operating it!

 

I will be a lot more concerned if we’re still seeing similar issues 2 months into next season. 

 

Stats bombs?

All it needed was to watch young dynamic players live in action and sign those we could.

Instead it was some injured players with  past reputations we couldn't  possibly have assessed.

Too much reliance on stats and agents has been the problem IMO.