underdog Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 They've just showed Ched Evens scoring against Latics on the BBC 10 o'clock news. :censored:. Bastards....boycott the BBC now....how dare they show us conceeding we are invincible starting from Saturday again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 We was wrong to take on Lee Hughes. It still damages our image today and rightly so. I've seen this said a few times, what is the evidence? I don't know anyone who refers to Hughes when I discuss Latics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) I've seen this said a few times, what is the evidence? I don't know anyone who refers to Hughes when I discuss Latics. Really ? I get it a lot... Specially recently.... How could I give you evidence ? Strange request Edited November 13, 2014 by oafc0000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyPimp Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Really ? I get it a lot... Specially recently.... How could I give you evidence ? Strange request I think this is more a reflection of your strong views at the time and the people you associate with. I was happy to give Lee Hughes a second chance. He'd served his time and appeared apologetic and contrite. Evans is neither of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Really ? I get it a lot... Specially recently.... How could I give you evidence ? Strange request I don't. The only time it has been mentioned in the last two or three years to me has been these last few weeks when mainstream media have been comparing footballers cases. Prior to that Hughes was well out of everyone's conscience. Interestingly I've not picked up on Luke McCormick being mentioned. Someone else had it right, if you don't like the sentence write to your MP. Otherwise he is a free man to do as he pleases within the terms of his parole and the laws of this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I don't. The only time it has been mentioned in the last two or three years to me has been these last few weeks when mainstream media have been comparing footballers cases. Prior to that Hughes was well out of everyone's conscience. Interestingly I've not picked up on Luke McCormick being mentioned. Someone else had it right, if you don't like the sentence write to your MP. Otherwise he is a free man to do as he pleases within the terms of his parole and the laws of this country. Who put the issue around Hughes into the media eye. One of our own directors. Prior to that I'd not seen much, if anything, about Hughes and given that I've not seen much, if anything about McCormack either shows just how good at PR Barry Blatter is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngen Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I don't. The only time it has been mentioned in the last two or three years to me has been these last few weeks when mainstream media have been comparing footballers cases. Prior to that Hughes was well out of everyone's conscience. Interestingly I've not picked up on Luke McCormick being mentioned. Someone else had it right, if you don't like the sentence write to your MP. Otherwise he is a free man to do as he pleases within the terms of his parole and the laws of this country. Correct, it is perfectly legal, but it doesnt stop the moral discussion over his place in society. If he acknowledged he had done wrong & showed even a hint of remorse or rehabilitation, then this wouldnt be in the media spotlight half as much. Its as though he feels he has done time for something he didnt do, and he is using his profile to try & intimidate a reverse decision & slander this poor young girl who is a victim. Hes a scum bag for doing it, and an even bigger scumbag for not making amends when he was found guilty. Lee Hughes was a scumbag for what he did, but after time, he realised he had done wrong, showed remorse, apologised & tried to make amends whilst in & out of prison. Thats why it was easier to swallow as a Latics fan signing him. If Sheffield United do decide to employ him, as they are well within their rights to do so, it doesnt mean fans/sponsors/other employees of Sheff Utd shouldnt feel uncomfortable about it, and voice these concerns. God help him when he actually gets onto the pitch infront of a hostile Sheffield Wednesday/Millwall crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 (edited) Talking about the legals is utterly pointless. Everyone can see and accept he would legally be fine to continue to play football. Since when was the law the end point for moral viewpoint ? Its not a legal issue its a moral issue. Edited November 14, 2014 by oafc0000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Correct, it is perfectly legal, but it doesnt stop the moral discussion over his place in society. If he acknowledged he had done wrong & showed even a hint of remorse or rehabilitation, then this wouldnt be in the media spotlight half as much. Its as though he feels he has done time for something he didnt do, and he is using his profile to try & intimidate a reverse decision & slander this poor young girl who is a victim. Hes a scum bag for doing it, and an even bigger scumbag for not making amends when he was found guilty. Lee Hughes was a scumbag for what he did, but after time, he realised he had done wrong, showed remorse, apologised & tried to make amends whilst in & out of prison. Thats why it was easier to swallow as a Latics fan signing him. If Sheffield United do decide to employ him, as they are well within their rights to do so, it doesnt mean fans/sponsors/other employees of Sheff Utd shouldnt feel uncomfortable about it, and voice these concerns. God help him when he actually gets onto the pitch infront of a hostile Sheffield Wednesday/Millwall crowd. Your last point is a big one, and one that's not been touched on from what I've read - what about the safety of his team mates? At somewhere like Millwall or Leeds they could really go the extra mile to try and attack him on or off the pitch. I wouldn't want to be stood next to him if that were to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 The Ennis statement surely finishes his chances at Sheff Utd, some backlash heading their way if not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 Lions Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Why should he apologize for a crime he believes 100% that he did not commit? Courts have been known to get convictions wrong from time to time. In his current predicament, he cannot get back in to football until his case has been reviewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Why should he apologize for a crime he believes 100% that he did not commit? Courts have been known to get convictions wrong from time to time. In his current predicament, he cannot get back in to football until his case has been reviewed. I am surprised he's not been advised to do just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStationLatic Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Sorry if this has been mentioned but can we please not get involved in this issue when we visit Bramall Lane next Sat... Don't want us to get sucked into boos or aggressive retaliation if, say, we hear any suggestive home chants about Ched. I really, really hope we aren't low enough to start any. Our away support has been a major positive this year. It will inspire our team to win if it continues, but if we get sidetracked into negative booing or a Ched v Hughes sideshow then that'll only favour the hosts in my view. Ignore any provocation. Silence in response to any Ched chants, volume in response by supporting our team - nothing more, nothing less. Let's just back the boys, stick to our usual songs, and get the three points. LJBAWA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Break The Silence Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Why should he apologize for a crime he believes 100% that he did not commit? Courts have been known to get convictions wrong from time to time. My sentiments exactly. I don't know the in's and out's of the case, only what I have read in the news like everyone else on here. If he came out now and apologised, admitted his guilt, expressed remorse etc etc, he would no doubt get a slightly easier ride in life. What has he got to lose? If he comes out and admits his guilt now they can't jail him again. If he is still vehemently denying any wrongdoing then maybe he didn't do it after all. Only him and the alleged victim know for sure what went on in that hotel room. People get wrongly convicted of crimes all the time, as i'm sure many who are as guilty as sin walk free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 My sentiments exactly. I don't know the in's and out's of the case, only what I have read in the news like everyone else on here. If he came out now and apologised, admitted his guilt, expressed remorse etc etc, he would no doubt get a slightly easier ride in life. What has he got to lose? If he comes out and admits his guilt now they can't jail him again. If he is still vehemently denying any wrongdoing then maybe he didn't do it after all. Only him and the alleged victim know for sure what went on in that hotel room. People get wrongly convicted of crimes all the time, as i'm sure many who are as guilty as sin walk free. If he is still vehemently denying any wrongdoing then maybe he still doesn't understand consent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Break The Silence Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 If he is still vehemently denying any wrongdoing then maybe he still doesn't understand consent. I'm not saying I believe he is innocent, not at all. I'm just pointing out that it is a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I'm not saying I believe he is innocent, not at all. I'm just pointing out that it is a possibility. Is consent when sober the same as consent when inebriated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Sorry if this has been mentioned but can we please not get involved in this issue when we visit Bramall Lane next Sat... Don't want us to get sucked into boos or aggressive retaliation if, say, we hear any suggestive home chants about Ched. I really, really hope we aren't low enough to start any. Our away support has been a major positive this year. It will inspire our team to win if it continues, but if we get sidetracked into negative booing or a Ched v Hughes sideshow then that'll only favour the hosts in my view. Ignore any provocation. Silence in response to any Ched chants, volume in response by supporting our team - nothing more, nothing less. Let's just back the boys, stick to our usual songs, and get the three points. LJBAWA Never going to happen. You're talking about some of our fans who went to Bramall Lane last year and sang 'Montano, if the girl says no molest her'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Break The Silence Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Is consent when sober the same as consent when inebriated? Again. I'm NOT defending him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Only him and the alleged victim know for sure what went on in that hotel room. I thought the point was that the victim didn't know what had gone on. Good job his brother filmed it really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Again. I'm NOT defending him. Sorry, I wasn't specifically replying to your post. More posing a general question. Worryingly leeslover is kind of following my train of thought... I thought the point was that the victim didn't know what had gone on. Good job his brother filmed it really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngen Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Sorry if this has been mentioned but can we please not get involved in this issue when we visit Bramall Lane next Sat... Don't want us to get sucked into boos or aggressive retaliation if, say, we hear any suggestive home chants about Ched. I really, really hope we aren't low enough to start any. Our away support has been a major positive this year. It will inspire our team to win if it continues, but if we get sidetracked into negative booing or a Ched v Hughes sideshow then that'll only favour the hosts in my view. Ignore any provocation. Silence in response to any Ched chants, volume in response by supporting our team - nothing more, nothing less. Let's just back the boys, stick to our usual songs, and get the three points. LJBAWA But I want to sing Jose Baxter baby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Is consent when sober the same as consent when inebriated? Indeed - i'd argue that you need a higher level of consent if the person is inebriated that would be a lot harder to obtain for someone who had just walked in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Why should he apologize for a crime he believes 100% that he did not commit? Courts have been known to get convictions wrong from time to time. In his current predicament, he cannot get back in to football until his case has been reviewed. You're right, but by society's norms, until it is now proven otherwise, he is guilty and people have the right to question his lack or remorse. If the Inquiry goes against him, I would imagine that no one will touch him with a barge pole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 What if this woman really did consent to sex with Ched? He has maintained his innocence from the outset, maybe he should of seeked to prove his innocence before seeking a club, as things stand with the media I can't see any club being willing to tarnish there reputation by taking a punt on him. I've read through the Ched Evans website which of course is Ched's legal team who are set out to be prove his innocence however looking at some of the evidence his difficult to see how the jury has decided without any shadow of doubt that he guilty of the said crime. I also find it strange that if this girl can't remember having sex with either of these two men who can one be innocent and the other guilty? I wouldn't want Ched Evans at Latics unless his innocence was proven, The Lee Hughes saga has left us with a bit of a reputation for being a half way house of a club for convicts and wrongs uns, when Montano Gate erupted I had fans of other clubs saying stuff like "I'm not surprised its one of your lot" etc. This is purely down to us taking Lee Hughes onboard which at the time I was behind the decision, yes he had committed a horrendous crime but he and the club said all the right things and he appeared remorseful for his crime, looking back on that decision now it was probably the wrong one, there was always rumours of him being on the piss (as many of our players were at that time I might add) but the incident at the dogs that saw Sheridan lose his job was the was the moment I thought the penny dropped for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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