HarryBosch Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 We went through a :censored:load of them last season with only Harkins, who isn't & doesn't want to be a winger, really doing anything of note. And what he did well wasn't traditional wingplay, moreso him cutting inside. They seem unreliable at this level and, even when they do produce crosses, League One strikers don't seem to be of the quality to convert enough of them. Could we have more quality in the side by going 4-3-3 with another Jones/Smith/Wes type in the middle or a more solid 4-4-2 with wide midfielders rather than wingers? We'd be even more solid defending and, I imagine, Kareful Korey will be more than happy to cover for Mills if he wants to bomb forward now and again. Even if we sign no more midfielders Jones, Smith and Mellor/Winchester would all be able to pick passes with plenty of movement ahead of them from Philliskirk & Dayton either side of Clark Harris/Turner/New Striker. I say this as someone who loves a winger - Tommy Wright was my first ever "favourite" player and then Rick Holden was..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I cannot see us affording now a left winger and a right winger plus a striker-so if we sign a striker-supposedly Zoko, then I think we wont have the wingers apart from Dayton of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrown23 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I was looking at our current squad and started thinking would 3-5-2 with wing backs be possible? Brown, Mills, Dayton maybe Winchester could play the wing back/ advanced full back role, with three of kusunga, Wilson, Lockwood, wilson playing centre back with Mellor as cover. Smith, Jones ANother centre mid with two strikers up top. Angled crosses and balls into the box from deeper lying wide options, centrally solid allowing midfielders to support more freely (starting to get a bit 'Football Manager' this) I like the formation personally but it needs to be coached properly everyone needs to understand their roles. With most of our players now on two year contracts, this could be something LJ might look into working on knowing he has time to work with a squad that won't change too much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted June 11, 2014 Author Share Posted June 11, 2014 Mods - can you de-be the thread title please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Maybe the pitch will be narrower this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Mods - can you de-be the thread title please. I was tempted to change it to 'should Wee-Bey bother with them'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngen Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I was looking at our current squad and started thinking would 3-5-2 with wing backs be possible? Brown, Mills, Dayton maybe Winchester could play the wing back/ advanced full back role, with three of kusunga, Wilson, Lockwood, wilson playing centre back with Mellor as cover. Smith, Jones ANother centre mid with two strikers up top. Angled crosses and balls into the box from deeper lying wide options, centrally solid allowing midfielders to support more freely (starting to get a bit 'Football Manager' this) I like the formation personally but it needs to be coached properly everyone needs to understand their roles. With most of our players now on two year contracts, this could be something LJ might look into working on knowing he has time to work with a squad that won't change too much Best season of football I have seen the blue boys produce was using 3-5-2 under Dowie. Bear in mind that team had David Beharall, Dean Holden, Will Haining, Darren Sheridan and John Eyre (dare I say it) played a large cunk of the season in the team that very nearly went up. The quality of the 'squad' players wasnt fantastic but if youve 3/4 good players going forwards and a poacher, then goals will come, whilst being defensively sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I'm happy for us to play without out-and-out wingers/wide midfielders, however, I wouldn't want to have no proper wingers in our squad as I think they are always a useful plan B, if we start without any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Without wingers we're nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owdumer Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Alan Groves must be spinning in his grave! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KusungaIsGod Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 A Petrasso type player would do for me would love to have him back tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 A Petrasso type player would do for me would love to have him back tbh This for me too - he signed a new contract at QPR but may not get a look-in next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4froale Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 yep petrasso on a season long would be good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losesome Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 We went through a :censored:load of them last season with only Harkins, who isn't & doesn't want to be a winger, really doing anything of note. And what he did well wasn't traditional wingplay, moreso him cutting inside. They seem unreliable at this level and, even when they do produce crosses, League One strikers don't seem to be of the quality to convert enough of them. Could we have more quality in the side by going 4-3-3 with another Jones/Smith/Wes type in the middle or a more solid 4-4-2 with wide midfielders rather than wingers? We'd be even more solid defending and, I imagine, Kareful Korey will be more than happy to cover for Mills if he wants to bomb forward now and again. Even if we sign no more midfielders Jones, Smith and Mellor/Winchester would all be able to pick passes with plenty of movement ahead of them from Philliskirk & Dayton either side of Clark Harris/Turner/New Striker. I say this as someone who loves a winger - Tommy Wright was my first ever "favourite" player and then Rick Holden was..... If they are like Eyres then great , IF they are like Worrall - forget it and play without !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankly Mr Shankly Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Not enough chalk on our wingers boots in recent years has been the main issue for me. full backs can handle wingers cutting in, they can't handle ones that will hit the touchline and get a cross in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Villains Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 wing backs, or full backs with wingers on overlapping runs can be force to be reckoned with. must track and win the ball back, they have to work both ways. just can't have lazy bastards on the chalk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy_Fent Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Watching Rotherham beat Preston in the play offs demonstrated how important it is to have wingers who could deliver a quality ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 If we don't have a good number of decent wingers then we shouldn't try and play a system that relies on them. It's great when they're good and involved in the game but as Harry points out, it doesn't seem to have been working out in our recent history. If we are able to remain solid then the likes of Mills as a wing back should provide a wide option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Watching Rotherham beat Preston in the play offs demonstrated how important it is to have wingers who could deliver a quality ball. Interesting thing about that Rotherham side is that their wingers aren't chalk-booted types. More in the model (perhaps not the physique!) of Harkins. Pringle's delivery for the second was from him dropping inside and being overlapped by a winger. Tavernier's for the third was another example of the fullback attacking down the line. Now I'm not saying we have that sort of calibre player - both are better than League 1 standard - but we have players who will play in that way. Last season we'd never have full backs that would provide a genuine threat, Grounds and Brown are better defensively, but Mills and Wilson are both more forward thinking and able deliverers of the ball. If we could sign Harkins he'd complement that style very well, and Dayton got a few goals from cutting inside as well. This is the tactical trend going through the game at the moment and perhaps LJ will try to follow it after another unsuccessful season for wingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I always think you should pick wingers as a pairing So in the same way you have a big one little one upfront having a winger like Harkins who drifts on one side you could have a winger who is quick and can offer direct running like petrasso on the other gives teams something to think about especially if they can swap flanks from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I always think you should pick wingers as a pairing So in the same way you have a big one little one upfront having a winger like Harkins who drifts on one side you could have a winger who is quick and can offer direct running like petrasso on the other gives teams something to think about especially if they can swap flanks from time to time. It used to be like that, a fast winger on one side (Neil Adams) and a tricky one on the other (Rick Holden), not sure who played on the other flank to Alan Groves though as he was fast and tricky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 It used to be like that, a fast winger on one side (Neil Adams) and a tricky one on the other (Rick Holden), not sure who played on the other flank to Alan Groves though as he was fast and tricky? Wasn't it George Mcvitie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 It used to be like that, a fast winger on one side (Neil Adams) and a tricky one on the other (Rick Holden), not sure who played on the other flank to Alan Groves though as he was fast and tricky? It's true about Holden and Adams although Harkins plays about 15 yards further inside than Holden which will mean he won't get as many crosses in but would be more likely to score himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 (edited) It's true about Holden and Adams although Harkins plays about 15 yards further inside than Holden which will mean he won't get as many crosses in but would be more likely to score himself. Yes, I seem to remember he fired over some lovely crosses whereas Groves was more direct. Who played on the opposite flank to Tommy Wright? Edited June 12, 2014 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 (edited) Who played on the opposite flank to Tommy Wright? Neil Adams who proved to be better than Tommy so Tommy was sold to Leicester-i dont remember who before Adams. (my opinion) Edited June 12, 2014 by ChaddySmoker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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