Stevie_J Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 "I'm certainly not displeased with the performances." If he genuinely thinks that, that should be enough to tell anyone that he's not cut out for management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 He may be speaking honestly but it doesn't mean he is right...which is the worry... When he says "We need to turn these decent performances, at times, in to wins" then he is wrong. What decent performances? Only time in the last couple of months I've walked out of the ground genuinely thinking we haven't got what we deserved was Doncaster. That was a decent performance...the rest have been :censored:. That is mostly why he is being criticised over his comments. That plus blowing smoke up the oppositions arse every interview. Which I see he has done again with Millwall. What manager doesn't talk about the opposition threat though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 He may be speaking honestly but it doesn't mean he is right...which is the worry... When he says "We need to turn these decent performances, at times, in to wins" then he is wrong. What decent performances? Only time in the last couple of months I've walked out of the ground genuinely thinking we haven't got what we deserved was Doncaster. That was a decent performance...the rest have been :censored:. That is mostly why he is being criticised over his comments. That plus blowing smoke up the oppositions arse every interview. Which I see he has done again with Millwall. I think we're over analysing his words here. Decent performances "at times" means we have decent spells in games. Is that not true? I don't get to many games but of the ones I have seen, Swindon away, Barnsely home, Doncaster home were all games you could say we played well at times. Add to that Coventry, Wigan, Sheff Utd at home, Gillingham, Chesterfield, Burton - all games, from media reports and comments on here, where you could say we played decently "at times". And on the opposition - if he says "We can do these, they're :censored:e". Then he'd be crucified for writing their team talk. Now that is just media platitudes. Who really cares what he says about the opposition to Gordon? I'm fairly sure that's not what he says to the players. What I would say about him is that sometimes it feels like the team selected/tactics are done too much with the opposition in mind rather than our strengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) "I'm certainly not displeased with the performances." If he genuinely thinks that, that should be enough to tell anyone that he's not cut out for management. Saying that he's not displeased in general doesn't mean there's not things he wouldn't change. Which is what is implied when people say that he's happy with performances. If my missus makes me a cup of tea round the in laws and I say to her mum, "well I'm not displeased with it". Doesn't mean when we're alone I wouldn't say to her I'd have preferred it if she'd put a bit less milk in. Edit: I was displeased with my analogy so have tweaked it slightly to get it closer to what I'm getting at. Still plenty for me to work on at the training ground though. Edited January 8, 2016 by nzlatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Guru Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 What manager doesn't talk about the opposition threat though? And we are 2nd bottom so in theory every game is a challenge to is barring Colchester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Kingsley Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 What manager doesn't talk about the opposition threat though? Your never going to win with certain posters on here and we all know who they are - they've got an agenda, they hate Dunn and want him out. Their desparate attempt to find negatives in anything he says is ample evidence of that. I truly believe they'll be genuinely gutted if we stay up. They put their petty little prejudices above the team just so they can bask in some supposed glory of being able to say 'I told you so' They're an irrelevance really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluear Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Your never going to win with certain posters on here and we all know who they are - they've got an agenda, they hate Dunn and want him out. Their desparate attempt to find negatives in anything he says is ample evidence of that. I truly believe they'll be genuinely gutted if we stay up. They put their petty little prejudices above the team just so they can bask in some supposed glory of being able to say 'I told you so' They're an irrelevance really. Nobody would be happy if we go down. Just because a LOT of people, the majority in fact, think dunn is :censored:ing useless doesn't mean they don't want him to turn it round. They just don't believe he has the capability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 He's not said what you're implying. In fact in the linked article you've quoted he said this: "It’s no wonder why fans come on a Saturday and look miserable as I’d be miserable too." There's enough factual stuff to be critical of - team selections, tactics etc. But this constant misrepresenting of what he says is getting tedious. Even the MEN are doing it with their "Dunn reckons even Mourinho and Ferguson couldn't sort Latics out" misleading bull:censored:. This is spot on. Especially the highlighted section. Hopefully he is cutting out the nonsense stuff like comparing himself to Joe Royle, and concentrating on the facts. He has proved nothing yet, I have my doubts he will. Lets hope he sytarts to turn things around soon. We a desperate for a lift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Kingsley Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Nobody would be happy if we go down. Just because a LOT of people, the majority in fact, think dunn is :censored:ing useless doesn't mean they don't want him to turn it round. They just don't believe he has the capability. You sure about that cos that's not what their posts imply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 What manager doesn't talk about the opposition threat though? Some managers don't bother. Some managers do what he's doing. LJ did it. Shez did it. Rather than arsekiss I'd rather he pointed out some tactical knowledge...ie. We've watched them at set-pieces and been working on nullifying them etc. Than this general "they're a good side, they have dangerous players" etc. If I was Harris, I'd be saying in my interview "We've been watching Oldham. We will be pressing their keeper as he's prone to errors and know how to break them down." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Some managers don't bother. Some managers do what he's doing. LJ did it. Shez did it. Rather than arsekiss I'd rather he pointed out some tactical knowledge...ie. We've watched them at set-pieces and been working on nullifying them etc. Than this general "they're a good side, they have dangerous players" etc. If I was Harris, I'd be saying in my interview "We've been watching Oldham. We will be pressing their keeper as he's prone to errors and know how to break them down." If I was Harris and i would be saying ' ive watched Oldham & they are a little bit :censored:! if we dont beat them the lads will be doing extra training on Sunday' & the set piece thing you mentioned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I posted a few days ago that Dunn was very confident of keeping the job until end of season (on the basis we are skint and he's currently working unpaid), but maybe he's not out of the woods yet. He's brought 2 in on loan for 25 days but can't bring anyone else in until next week. May be Saturday is make or break for him? Similar to what I heard. On Sunday, I was told that he will get until the end of the season. After his meeting with Corney, I was then told that it's pretty much :censored: or bust on Saturday... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Kingsley Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Similar to what I heard. On Sunday, I was told that he will get until the end of the season. After his meeting with Corney, I was then told that it's pretty much :censored: or bust on Saturday... So if you believe the consensus on here we'll get hammered Saturday cos all the players hate him so they won't try a leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Your never going to win with certain posters on here and we all know who they are - they've got an agenda, they hate Dunn and want him out. Their desparate attempt to find negatives in anything he says is ample evidence of that. I truly believe they'll be genuinely gutted if we stay up. They put their petty little prejudices above the team just so they can bask in some supposed glory of being able to say 'I told you so' They're an irrelevance really. Unfortunately you're very wrong Hank. I've been sat where you are. Even when Penney was manager!!! So I understand your frustration but unfortunately on this one we have never been in a worse position in all our time in this division. I can't ever remember being 5 points from getting out of relegation. You can stick up for him all you like...but at present, he's doing a terrible job. I hope he finds a way to turn it around as I don't like managers being sacked (not even Darren Kelly) but I've very little confidence in him doing so. I sincerely hope I'm wrong. But right now, I would rather we acted and went a different route to trying to get out of this mess. You can paint THAT how you like! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Kingsley Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Unfortunately you're very wrong Hank. I've been sat where you are. Even when Penney was manager!!! So I understand your frustration but unfortunately on this one we have never been in a worse position in all our time in this division. I can't ever remember being 5 points from getting out of relegation. You can stick up for him all you like...but at present, he's doing a terrible job. I hope he finds a way to turn it around as I don't like managers being sacked (not even Darren Kelly) but I've very little confidence in him doing so. I sincerely hope I'm wrong. But right now, I would rather we acted and went a different route to trying to get out of this mess. You can paint THAT how you like! Your right we've never been in a worse position, I would contend though that the blame shouldn't be laid solely at Dunn's door. You say he's doing a terrible job, results would back that but like others on here have stated, his record stands comparison to Johnson's last 16 games in charge. He inherited a squad that aren't his players and who's attitude and desire are seriously questionable and because he has the honesty to publicly state that, (naively admittedly) he gets slated. Rightly or wrongly he's our manager and deserves the transfer window at the very least to bring in his own players who he feels can improve the team, though I fear his job hangs on the Millwall game, which in itself is ridiculous. If he is sacked where do we go from there? Unless Corney has someone lined up we have the whole process again, advertising the post, conducting interviews while all the time the clock is ticking on the transfer window, or Dean Holden is given the job until the end of the season and player recruitment is back in the hands of Owen and Gee which will be disastrous. I fully respect and appreciate you don't rate Dunn, at least your post was constructive, what gets me are the people who post nothing but anti Dunn rhetoric for the sake of it, distorting every single word he utters and stooping to repulsive personal abuse to suit their agenda. I stand by what I said earlier, there are posters to this forum who will be gutted if he stays and keeps us up and for me they can all do one cos unless the next manager is someone who they approve of we'll get this all over again and it's soul destroying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) Your right we've never been in a worse position, I would contend though that the blame shouldn't be laid solely at Dunn's door. You say he's doing a terrible job, results would back that but like others on here have stated, his record stands comparison to Johnson's last 16 games in charge. He inherited a squad that aren't his players and who's attitude and desire are seriously questionable and because he has the honesty to publicly state that, (naively admittedly) he gets slated. Rightly or wrongly he's our manager and deserves the transfer window at the very least to bring in his own players who he feels can improve the team, though I fear his job hangs on the Millwall game, which in itself is ridiculous. If he is sacked where do we go from there? Unless Corney has someone lined up we have the whole process again, advertising the post, conducting interviews while all the time the clock is ticking on the transfer window, or Dean Holden is given the job until the end of the season and player recruitment is back in the hands of Owen and Gee which will be disastrous. I fully respect and appreciate you don't rate Dunn, at least your post was constructive, what gets me are the people who post nothing but anti Dunn rhetoric for the sake of it, distorting every single word he utters and stooping to repulsive personal abuse to suit their agenda. I stand by what I said earlier, there are posters to this forum who will be gutted if he stays and keeps us up and for me they can all do one cos unless the next manager is someone who they approve of we'll get this all over again and it's soul destroying. I agree with everything you have said, except that he deserves a transfer window. On his performance he doesn't. I thnk he'll get it though. If it was all new players he inherited, then yes I'd agree. But these players can perform. We know what he said publicly and it doesn't help. I do agree 100% what you say about twisting his words, as NZ said. In fact, it was me that pointed out how wrong the MEN article was about Mourinho/Ferguson comment. He just should be going nowhere near statements like that that can be twisted. I know there are rumours of him only having theMillwal game left. THat could actually be unfair. I wish we knew if he was forced to sell Philliskirk and Yeates now before getting replacements(ie CB), because that is being constricted. That is not the same as inheriting a squad and getting nothing out of them. Maybe the two Burnley players and Weapon are the budget use of Philly and Yates wages? But somethings don't add up. Ultimately, it is up to Simon Corney to approve the contract offer to Yeates, but surely Dunn should be arguing the case for Yeates to get a contract as his boss .Did Yeates refuse to play, to save his deal with Blackpool? Did Dunn do that but was ignored? Too many questions. I don't rate him so far, but hope he turns it round. I'd like nothing better. Edited January 8, 2016 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 There won't be a manager out there of any reputation thinking "Cor I'd love to get my hands on that squad" These players have failed, time to clear the decks and start again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Kingsley Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I think his job hangs on the Millwall game, which is the reason there won't be any more signings before then. Let's hope that for once the players give 100% and even if we lose they can look themselves in the mirror on saturday night knowing they gave it their best. From their performances this season though I seriously doubt that will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I agree with everything you have said, except that he deserves a transfer window. On his performance he doesn't. I thnk he'll get it though. Will he get it though? I'm not so sure. Signs suggest that a lot hinges on Saturday - only 1 new player brought in on a very short term deal. No Wellens (yet). Trusted general Philliskirk sold. And Dunn's inferences on his interview that he's well aware he needs to get results very quickly. If that is the case then just another example of the lack of clear drive and decision from the board. What is going to change? If we draw or lose to a :censored: goal then how will that be any different? Even if we win how is it going to be different other than if we absolutely smash them. They've seemingly sold one of his key players and brought in a left back on a 3 week deal then said "right, there you are, you've got 1 game to save your job." We pissed around last February and threw away a great chance to capitalise on our league position at the time and we're pissing around now. This time the consequences are far more serious though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Kingsley Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Will he get it though? I'm not so sure. Signs suggest that a lot hinges on Saturday - only 1 new player brought in on a very short term deal. No Wellens (yet). Trusted general Philliskirk sold. And Dunn's inferences on his interview that he's well aware he needs to get results very quickly. If that is the case then just another example of the lack of clear drive and decision from the board. What is going to change? If we draw or lose to a :censored: goal then how will that be any different? Even if we win how is it going to be different other than if we absolutely smash them. They've seemingly sold one of his key players and brought in a left back on a 3 week deal then said "right, there you are, you've got 1 game to save your job." We pissed around last February and threw away a great chance to capitalise on our league position at the time and we're pissing around now. This time the consequences are far more serious though. Spot on all that. And people wonder why we're :censored:ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Spot on all that. And people wonder why we're :censored:ed. To be fair I don't think many people are wondering that - I'd say most of us know full well why we are :censored:ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary1906 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary1906 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Read all of my post and understand it, then comment on it rather than just quoting the first line! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Kingsley Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 To be fair I don't think many people are wondering that - I'd say most of us know full well why we are :censored:ed You and yarddog think you do to be sure. Proves my point really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Your right we've never been in a worse position, I would contend though that the blame shouldn't be laid solely at Dunn's door. You say he's doing a terrible job, results would back that but like others on here have stated, his record stands comparison to Johnson's last 16 games in charge. He inherited a squad that aren't his players and who's attitude and desire are seriously questionable and because he has the honesty to publicly state that, (naively admittedly) he gets slated. Rightly or wrongly he's our manager and deserves the transfer window at the very least to bring in his own players who he feels can improve the team, though I fear his job hangs on the Millwall game, which in itself is ridiculous. If he is sacked where do we go from there? Unless Corney has someone lined up we have the whole process again, advertising the post, conducting interviews while all the time the clock is ticking on the transfer window, or Dean Holden is given the job until the end of the season and player recruitment is back in the hands of Owen and Gee which will be disastrous. I fully respect and appreciate you don't rate Dunn, at least your post was constructive, what gets me are the people who post nothing but anti Dunn rhetoric for the sake of it, distorting every single word he utters and stooping to repulsive personal abuse to suit their agenda. I stand by what I said earlier, there are posters to this forum who will be gutted if he stays and keeps us up and for me they can all do one cos unless the next manager is someone who they approve of we'll get this all over again and it's soul destroying. The thing is we don't have to go through that process, and all the lack of due dilligence crap. We choose to, and it proved inept. We just have to look at managers records and go for it. Ideally someone out of work, but it could be someone in work equally. The Kelly saga was just the Board trying to be clever and repeat what turns out to be a fluke they had with Johnson, compunded by the fact their template was wrong. It needs to factor in expereince of managing Reserves or similar if it is a Rookie. But we would not have that luxury this time so go for the route I suggest. We should be sounding out potential candidates right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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