mikejh45 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, deyres42 said: That's fair but Sheridan certainly wasn't having any interference or players he hadn't chosen, I can't believe Scholes would be any different. What do you know that makes you think that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 minute ago, mikejh45 said: What do you know that makes you think that? I don't know anything but common sense tells you we need him a lot more than he needs us, if he takes job then you assume it would be on his terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximus1267 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, deyres42 said: I don't know anything but common sense tells you we need him a lot more than he needs us, if he takes job then you assume it would be on his terms. Have to agree but Terms may change once he has had the job a while, that's when issues may arise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bobby Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Lee Clarke 2/5 for Carlisle. Tommy Wright 5/1. Pete Wild now 6/4 Fav for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted January 9, 2019 Author Share Posted January 9, 2019 Just now, Wee Bobby said: Lee Clarke 2/5 for Carlisle. Tommy Wright 5/1. Pete Wild now 6/4 Fav for us. As Carlisle are above us, if they appoint Clarke, I think that's good news. He's simply awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, deyres42 said: I don't know anything but common sense tells you we need him a lot more than he needs us, if he takes job then you assume it would be on his terms. Not sure.....you have two people who have been successful in their own field. If AL wants Scholes and Scholes wants this job then they will reach a compromise. Scholes will know there isn't a "magic money tree" for player recruitment and will have seen what happened with Sheridan and won't want to go down that line and AL will, quite probably, let Scholes have a free hand on domestically sourced players so long as he gives full and fair consideration to AL's imports and why wouldn't he after Sunday now that AL hopefully knows a bit more about who and how the imports will fit in to the English game Edited January 9, 2019 by mikejh45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bobby Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 I agree. I think Bury fans would agree also. Claude Puel now favourite for next sacking. Read a few comments from Leics. fans. They couldnt understand why they didnt go for cup as they have nothing else to play for. Also listened to talk on Latics "pinch me " season. Had forgotten we played 66 games that season. 12 games in 29 days toward end. 16 man squad. 6 players played over 60 games. Earl Barret played every minute of every game. Yet the prem complain of to many games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, mikejh45 said: Not sure.....you have two people who have been successful in their own field. If AL wants Scholes and Scholes wants this job then they will reach a compromise. Scholes will know there isn't a "magic money tree" for player recruitment and will have seen what happened with Sheridan and won't want to go down that line and AL will, quite probably, let Scholes have a free hand on domestically sourced players so long as he gives full and fair consideration to AL's imports and why wouldn't he after Sunday now that AL hopefully knows a bit more about who and how the imports will fit in to the English game Hear what you saying but what you are saying is exactly why anybody with any pedigree will run a mile from the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Hear what you saying but what you are saying is exactly why anybody with any pedigree will run a mile from the job. We're a mid table League 2 side with no discernible money why should we expect anyone with pedigree to be interested ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Why?.....if they looked at Sunday's performance and AL turns round to a potential manager and says "Look at Missilou, Branger-Engone and Nepo…..there are more of these that I can bring in"......why would those players be a turnoff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Clifford said: Carrick was very average? Jesus. Yes. Another opinion that the Yernited loving pundits have hammered down our throats for the past 10 years to the point that it has now become conventional wisdom. I’ve watched Carrick enough with my own eyes and he’s never stood out as anything other than bang average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bobledgersheart said: We're a mid table League 2 side with no discernible money why should we expect anyone with pedigree to be interested ? You are guessing again over AL's financial state.....none of us knows for certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 minute ago, mikejh45 said: Why?.....if they looked at Sunday's performance and AL turns round to a potential manager and says "Look at Missilou, Branger-Engone and Nepo…..there are more of these that I can bring in"......why would those players be a turnoff? If indeed that is possible....!?! I'm still far form convinced about Branger-Engone and let's see what this Sylla is like after a dozen games......? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiecat Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 One would like to think that Scholes ( should he genuinely be interested ) would have had a chat with Frankie. you know, a kind of " what is this Abdallah guy like Frank ?" "oh he's a great lad Paul,you grab the chance with both hands" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Just now, Ryan said: Yes. Another opinion that the Yernited loving pundits have hammered down our throats for the past 10 years to the point that it has now become conventional wisdom. I’ve watched Carrick enough with my own eyes and he’s never stood out as anything other than bang average. My opinion is that he was class player and if Ferguson didn't rate him highly, he wouldn't have stayed around for as long as he did playing the number of games that he did. Bang average.....Jesus wept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, archiecat said: One would like to think that Scholes ( should he genuinely be interested ) would have had a chat with Frankie. you know, a kind of " what is this Abdallah guy like Frank ?" "oh he's a great lad Paul,you grab the chance with both hands" He could talk to some of the current players, such as Clarke or O'Grady and get a totally different viewpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Bobledgersheart said: We're a mid table League 2 side with no discernible money why should we expect anyone with pedigree to be interested ? I don't necessarily expect anything but it is probably quite telling that none of those at the top end of the market are currently in a job elsewhere. Edited January 9, 2019 by deyres42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said: If indeed that is possible....!?! I'm still far form convinced about Branger-Engone and let's see what this Sylla is like after a dozen games......? Maybe, just maybe, PW found a system to bring the best out of Branger-Engone hence the upturn in standards as opposed to the rigid 442 adopted by Bunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiecat Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, mikejh45 said: He could talk to some of the current players, such as Clarke or O'Grady and get a totally different viewpoint. He could Mike, but the nay's would probably outnumber the yay's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, deyres42 said: I don't necessarily expect anything but it is probably quite telling that none of us at the top end of the market are currently in a job elsewhere. Are you Dowie in disguise ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofcecere Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, Ryan said: Yes. Another opinion that the Yernited loving pundits have hammered down our throats for the past 10 years to the point that it has now become conventional wisdom. I’ve watched Carrick enough with my own eyes and he’s never stood out as anything other than bang average. I’d take 11 players to the same “bang average” standard as Carrick at Latics any day of the week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 41 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said: I'm gonna defend / side with [whatever you want to call it] Abdallah and his brother here in an attempt to be balanced.... one could argue that there is no evidence that they do not give a manager freedom to bring their own players in? Presumably, the manager in situ uses his UK & Eire based contacts to bring in local players and AL and ML plunder the World/European leagues? Last season; Shez/Wright/Wellens: Wilson, Ruddy, Davies, Gardner, Hunt, Doyle, Bryan, Byrne, Benyu, McEleney The Lemsagams: Placide, Omrani, Kyeremeh, Maouche, Nepo, Nazon, Moimbe, Menig, Zeus, Benteke This season; Wellens/Bunn/Rhodes: Baxter, Graham, O'Grady, Coke, Taylor, Miller, Iverson, Surridge, Lang, Palmer, Lyden The Lemsagams: Branger, Missile, Sylla, Presumably Scholes doesn't know much about the French lower leagues so would welcome useful additions - if indeed that's what they turn out to be? I agree with your analysis, good points. IIRC it is the accepted wisdom that getting half the signings right is a good average. Even Fergie and Joe did nt really beat that. On that basis Shez/Wellens are 3/10 I put Hunt, Doyle & Bryan Lemsagem 2/10 Maouche & Nepo Wellens/Bunn are 3.5/10 (I've left out Palmer, good as he was) Iversen, Surridge, Lang, and Lyden was coming good Lemsagem2 2/2 100% Branger, Missile (Sylla left off!) Interesting. I'd say an honorurable draw!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, archiecat said: He could Mike, but the nay's would probably outnumber the yay's Got to disagree...….the one's who would stick the knife in were not up to the task...….Bunn or Rhodes for example or those who thought that they could get away with what they wanted i.e. Byrne, Gerrard etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, mikejh45 said: You are guessing again over AL's financial state.....none of us knows for certain. Of course we do not know, and I am sure we all hope he has something in reserve. Nut there have been a lot of indications he has not got ready access to funds now, and very few that he has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, mikejh45 said: He could talk to some of the current players, such as Clarke or O'Grady and get a totally different viewpoint. ....he could talk to O'Grady and Clarke and they still think he's a maniac. His behaviour in the last 12 months is more than less likely to have garnered him a reputation of someone to be wary of working for. You'd be deluding yourself if you thought any different. 38 minutes ago, mikejh45 said: Maybe, just maybe, PW found a system to bring the best out of Branger-Engone hence the upturn in standards as opposed to the rigid 442 adopted by Bunn. ....possibly... but we're only talking 3 games.... so let's see if he keeps it up..... at times he's looked a long way from being good enough. 30 minutes ago, mikejh45 said: Got to disagree...….the one's who would stick the knife in were not up to the task...….Bunn or Rhodes for example or those who thought that they could get away with what they wanted i.e. Byrne, Gerrard etc. Add to that; Philliskirk, Ousmane Fane, Craig Davies, Courtney Duffus The former kitman, The media guy at now at Derby, The former club photographer, Simon Wood. .... you're deluding yourself if you think everyone else is in the wrong. 46 minutes ago, mikejh45 said: You are guessing again over AL's financial state.....none of us knows for certain. Given the budget restrictions he is responsible for setting, the fact we've paid wages late / not paid pension contributions & his mantra of "Slowly, slowly", I think one can safely assume we're not dealing with a multi-multi millionaire either capable of buying the assets of Brassbank and/or building us brand new facilities..... Edited January 9, 2019 by lookersstandandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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