Monty Burns Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 1 hour ago, basilrobbie said: I can assure you that this, and the other issues highlighted on this thread, are not unique to Oldham. It happens within our fan base too, and it is exactly the same type of people doing it. Human nature, I guess. All voluntary work in all walks of life. l've done soup kitchens and did stuff for tRNIB and it made me wish l wasnt such a naiive muggins type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, League one forever said: I think their is a big difference between cynicism and caution. Indeed but there's far of the former than the latter in evidence and, frankly, the time for the latter has gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, League one forever said: I think their is a big difference between cynicism and caution. true but weve got no more time for caution its time people pick between blind faith and shutting the fuck up. you don't have to point out any irony here, it was so obvious that l almost didnt post . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 ..and l didnt need to say it anyway bc Dave said it in English Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Indeed but there's far of the former than the latter in evidence and, frankly, the time for the latter has gone. It’s not quite that black or white IMO. I agree- there’s is far to much cynicism, usually by people who offer nothing. But I don’t think people asking questions at the forum is unhealthy, in fact Matt is welcoming that. That be construed as caution, but people may want to ask where their money is going, and I think that’s perfectly reasonable. You can be supportive and probing. 2 minutes ago, Monty Burns said: true but weve got no more time for caution its time people pick between blind faith and shutting the fuck up. you don't have to point out any irony here, it was so obvious that l almost didnt post . It’s the blind faith thing for me Monty. You’ll get no bigger cheerleader of Matt and the PTB than me, but I do understand peoples caution as long as it’s for the greater good, and adds to the debate. And isn’t just to pick holes in the only people with a plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, League one forever said: It’s not quite that black or white IMO. I agree- there’s is far to much cynicism, usually by people who offer nothing. But I don’t think people asking questions at the forum is unhealthy, in fact Matt is welcoming that. That be construed as caution, but people may want to ask where their money is going, and I think that’s perfectly reasonable. You can be supportive and probing. Couldn't agree more. The more questions the better. As long as people don't expect definitive answers on everything - because they ain't available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 lve not worked since november so lve got no chuckabout money so l cant do much other than l had a go on the webshop. but l cant abide anybody havin a go at these humans jus bc theyve got an agenda or are weird as fuck sit in ya bedroom stalkin people online types. total, total losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, League one forever said: You can be supportive and probing. 100% and from what l can gather just from listening is that theyre all open to a vigorous probing, indeed l think they would welcome it (sorry). thats what l love about them they are literally right there doing pretty much all they can and both calling on and calling out scrutiny. don't mess w them if youre a dodgy cunt like BO tho bc they will destroy you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Monty Burns said: 100% and from what l can gather just from listening is that theyre all open to a vigorous probing, indeed l think they would welcome it (sorry). thats what l love about them they are literally right there doing pretty much all they can and both calling on and calling out scrutiny. don't mess w them if youre a dodgy cunt like BO tho bc they will destroy you. Yeah, that’s their biggest asset for me. Matt says literally every week- talk to me, ask what you want. He’s excellent at building trust (no pun intended) in that sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 3 hours ago, latics22 said: Sorry but I can’t get excited by the flg, more smoke and mirrors than any substance. Seem happy to make money and cosy up to blitz. One built the stand and messed it up the other got in bed with corney, al and now blitz. Happy to be proven wrong. It. Doesn't. Matter. Now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted April 23, 2022 Author Share Posted April 23, 2022 37 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: It. Doesn't. Matter. Now What doesn’t? How we got here doesn’t matter now I agree. That doesn’t mean people get a free pass for any previous… obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, kowenicki said: What doesn’t? How we got here doesn’t matter now I agree. That doesn’t mean people get a free pass for any previous… obviously. historic doubts and bickering. Yes, challenge them, definitely challenge them - but I'm reading so many factions just bickering that my confidence of the fans actually uniting for the common good of the club is receding from 'well you never know' towards the levels of 'pigs might fly' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted April 23, 2022 Author Share Posted April 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Dave_Og said: historic doubts and bickering. Yes, challenge them, definitely challenge them - but I'm reading so many factions just bickering that my confidence of the fans actually uniting for the common good of the club is receding from 'well you never know' towards the levels of 'pigs might fly' Not sure that’s true. People only have problems with the FLG. It’s valid. I personally only really have a problem with one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, kowenicki said: Not sure that’s true. People only have problems with the FLG. It’s valid. I personally only really have a problem with one of them. You've got to be kidding. Loads of people do nothing but badmouth some or all of the Foundation, PTB, the pod etc. There are still some people who post n various media that they still support the Lemsagams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted April 23, 2022 Author Share Posted April 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: You've got to be kidding. Loads of people do nothing but badmouth some or all of the Foundation, PTB, the pod etc. There are still some people who post n various media that they still support the Lemsagams I don’t see that so I am not aware. How many in number are they? A handful of loudmouths on FB, or wherever, aren’t very important. On here I think most are behind the PTB, BPAS and OASF. Many are not happy with FLG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 7 hours ago, kowenicki said: Can anyone tell me who the FLG are? I’ve only ever know for sure who two of them are. Time for them to put up or shut up in my opinion, might not be popular given they are seen as the saviour but hey ho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy b Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 5 hours ago, League one forever said: It’s not quite that black or white IMO. I agree- there’s is far to much cynicism, usually by people who offer nothing. But I don’t think people asking questions at the forum is unhealthy, in fact Matt is welcoming that. That be construed as caution, but people may want to ask where their money is going, and I think that’s perfectly reasonable. You can be supportive and probing. It’s the blind faith thing for me Monty. You’ll get no bigger cheerleader of Matt and the PTB than me, but I do understand peoples caution as long as it’s for the greater good, and adds to the debate. And isn’t just to pick holes in the only people with a plan Caution yes. Probe, yes. Come to a view based on what facts you can get access to. Yes. agree on caution with the FLG. They have proved nothing yet. But at some point very soon you are probably going to have to realise they are better than the alternative and need to be backed. Or decide that they aren’t and do nothing and that’s the point. You measure the appeal of something against the alternative. Thats your reference point in determining whether something deserves your backing. there is no time to wait for the perfect option to come and save us. News flash. It ain’t happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 22 minutes ago, Andy b said: Caution yes. Probe, yes. Come to a view based on what facts you can get access to. Yes. agree on caution with the FLG. They have proved nothing yet. But at some point very soon you are probably going to have to realise they are better than the alternative and need to be backed. Or decide that they aren’t and do nothing and that’s the point. You measure the appeal of something against the alternative. Thats your reference point in determining whether something deserves your backing. there is no time to wait for the perfect option to come and save us. News flash. It ain’t happening You’re singing to the choir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 1 hour ago, kowenicki said: I don’t see that so I am not aware. How many in number are they? A handful of loudmouths on FB, or wherever, aren’t very important. On here I think most are behind the PTB, BPAS and OASF. Many are not happy with FLG. Here really isn't a big universe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted April 23, 2022 Author Share Posted April 23, 2022 17 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Here really isn't a big universe True. Neither is FB/Twitter. We are a shall club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 We deserve more information than be told to give blind faith. There has been more than a year to get information ready. I battled (as a volunteer) for a year trying to raise funds for the lottery, but partly a lack of support led me to walk away. Some might say that a clear vision was necessary, but the survey gave out the same answer as the previous vision Imagine the funds we'd have if the same appeals started a year ago. We all know we should have done it years ago even then. What funds do we have, what funds to the FLG have? We know a waiting game has been played till the price drops. We know Blitz retains a ransom strip, what are the plans for that? Given our past ownership issues, transparency is the bare minimum. Questions so far have sometimes met with hostility, so I hope the tide has turned. It's a classic sales technique to rush you into buying something, only to fall foul of buyers remorse. I don't doubt the FLG and they have some pedigree, would be better owners than the current one, but we're told there are people interested are they being held back or are they part of the same group. The more information the more likelihood of widespread backing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximus1267 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, singe said: We deserve more information than be told to give blind faith. There has been more than a year to get information ready. I battled (as a volunteer) for a year trying to raise funds for the lottery, but partly a lack of support led me to walk away. Some might say that a clear vision was necessary, but the survey gave out the same answer as the previous vision Imagine the funds we'd have if the same appeals started a year ago. We all know we should have done it years ago even then. What funds do we have, what funds to the FLG have? We know a waiting game has been played till the price drops. We know Blitz retains a ransom strip, what are the plans for that? Given our past ownership issues, transparency is the bare minimum. Questions so far have sometimes met with hostility, so I hope the tide has turned. It's a classic sales technique to rush you into buying something, only to fall foul of buyers remorse. I don't doubt the FLG and they have some pedigree, would be better owners than the current one, but we're told there are people interested are they being held back or are they part of the same group. The more information the more likelihood of widespread backing Maybe today was a good day for the would be investment groups, I would think the club value has gone from very little to feck all in the last 3 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 31 minutes ago, maximus1267 said: Maybe today was a good day for the would be investment groups, I would think the club value has gone from very little to feck all in the last 3 hours. Indeed. Can't understand Lemsagam not selling, it's clear it would be worth far less in non league. If it goes into admin, he'll lose a lot. The worst case is he goes vindictive like Steve Dale, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 The only good to come from this is AL isn’t getting a penny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted April 23, 2022 Author Share Posted April 23, 2022 The club is worthless. The best he can hope for is for a new owner to cover the debts (excusing directors loans which should be wiped out). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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