Wardie Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Just now, BP1960 said: Will he change to attacking football on Tuesday? don't think so as we have very few forward thinking players. Harry Vaughan is one, but DU had a chance to bring him and preferred Luamba, who just isn't cutting it IMO. We have one forward thinking player aright now and that seems to be Fondop. We await Porter and Hope, which is why I don't think any new forwards will come in, despite me saying I hope players come in sooner rather than later. Luamba appears to be a 'Hobson's choice' at the moment. Maybe Vaughan should be given his opportunity from the start on Tuesday, can't see it myself, but you never know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, Wardie said: We have one forward thinking player aright now and that seems to be Fondop. We await Porter and Hope, which is why I don't think any new forwards will come in, despite me saying I hope players come in sooner rather than later. Luamba appears to be a 'Hobson's choice' at the moment. Maybe Vaughan should be given his opportunity from the start on Tuesday, can't see it myself, but you never know. I watched Gardner in training this week and he looked nowhere near fit enough to start a game, it's an indictment on the other midfielders he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, BP1960 said: I watched Gardner in training this week and he looked nowhere near fit enough to start a game, it's an indictment on the other midfielders he did. Listening to Unsworth's interview, none of them are fit enough. He'll get another outing on Tuesday, no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, Wardie said: Listening to Unsworth's interview, none of them are fit enough. He'll get another outing on Tuesday, no doubt. Rushed back may mean another breakdown is the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Tic Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 11 minutes ago, BP1960 said: I watched Gardner in training this week and he looked nowhere near fit enough to start a game, it's an indictment on the other midfielders he did. I thought fitness was the keyword with this regime , we must be making some headway by now with this surely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Rushed back may mean another breakdown is the problem. Agree BP, but surely Unsworth asked Gardner if he felt he was able to play. I'm feeling the desperation to get the result is forcing his hand. A squad with more strength-in-depth and it's not so much a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 1 minute ago, True Tic said: I thought fitness was the keyword with this regime , we must be making some headway by now with this surely Watch the interview, he says they are not fit enough and it could take months, not weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Tic Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, Wardie said: Watch the interview, he says they are not fit enough and it could take months, not weeks. It’s unreal isn’t it. A pre season plus 13 games and they still aren’t up to the mark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, True Tic said: It’s unreal isn’t it. A pre season plus 13 games and they still aren’t up to the mark Nor will 96% of this squad ever be. God knows its big enough Edited October 15, 2022 by Lags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 1 hour ago, BP1960 said: Ridiculous statement, the club has made hundreds of thousands of £s on extra gate money revenue. Stay with this lot of players and we will be the Conference North club next season. I have said players like Haughton (2 goals again today), Colclough and a striker would make a vast difference. We will see some signings I'm sure of that, hopefully forwards. You should apply for the managers position. You make it sound so easy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, True Tic said: It’s unreal isn’t it. A pre season plus 13 games and they still aren’t up to the mark they probably would have been fit if they had been on this program for a pre season and 13 games. thats pretty much the whole point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Always worry when managers reference fitness, seems like a cop out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 shuda been Vaughan for Rooney and Rhino fully knows it 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Tic Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 18 minutes ago, Monty Burns said: they probably would have been fit if they had been on this program for a pre season and 13 games. thats pretty much the whole point. But 13 games plus your pre season plus the week or so training in between each game should be ample time for fitness purposes, regardless of the manager 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Always worry when managers reference fitness, seems like a cop out. Especially when he keeps picking the same unfit players week in week out, don't get the Rooney signing at all, done nothing yet and goes against everything he said in his early interviews. Every team bar none have had the measure of our midfield this season, centrally today we were woeful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, Monty Burns said: shuda been Vaughan for Rooney and Rhino fully knows it Weird doesn't even do it justice, I fucking knew we would bring Cooper on in front of the back 8 we were already playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, True Tic said: But 13 games plus your pre season plus the week or so training in between each game should be ample time for fitness purposes, regardless of the manager its not a numbers or time issue looking backward. ample time doing the wrong thing won't give the right result no matter how long you do it. more likely to have the opposite effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 If ever a game was crying out for Harry to come on today's was. Instead of pushing on for a second or third after scoring the players revert to possession football, falling deeper and deeper until the inevitable happens. They then decide that maybe attacking the opposition is an option but still fail to put more than one decent cross into the box. We were playing against a fellow non-league side not Inter Milan so banging balls into the box in the general direction of Fondop and getting someone around him will bring rewards. Fondop needs telling to get in the box, don't piss about on the wing doing drag-backs, holding onto the ball and generally slowing play down ( we've enough players well equipped to do that already!) We've very few forward-thinking players so must utilise the one standout example we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Tic Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Monty Burns said: its not a numbers or time issue looking backward. ample time doing the wrong thing won't give the right result no matter how long you do it. more likely to have the opposite effect True, and I know it’s been said before but “professional footballers and experienced managers” should have a rough idea of conditioning etc to prepare for the season ahead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 3 hours ago, BP1960 said: Chester have a young centre back called Harrison Burke I've recommended be checked out, will be interesting to see how he plays. Edited October 3 by BP1960 mine was better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 1 hour ago, BP1960 said: Will he change to attacking football on Tuesday? don't think so as we have very few forward thinking players. Harry Vaughan is one, but DU had a chance to bring him and preferred Luamba, who just isn't cutting it IMO. Rooney was the more obvious Harry Vaughan moment for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseowl Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 11 minutes ago, Monty Burns said: its not a numbers or time issue looking backward. ample time doing the wrong thing won't give the right result no matter how long you do it. more likely to have the opposite effect It's just basic fitness for a basic game at a very basic level Monty. It's hardly advanced "sports science" - you do realise what league we are in don't you? There's also something called "personal responsibility" - perhaps the players could just be at least half-arsed to look after their own fitness a teeny weeny little bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, wiseowl said: It's just basic fitness for a basic game at a very basic level Monty. It's hardly advanced "sports science" - you do realise what league we are in don't you? There's also something called "personal responsibility" - perhaps the players could just be at least half-arsed to look after their own fitness a teeny weeny little bit? yes that will be why he is attempting to move us up into a different fitter bracket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 45 minutes ago, Monty Burns said: shuda been Vaughan for Rooney and Rhino fully knows it I would have started with Vaughan but yeah it was a poor substitute. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 There is a lot wrong here ! Shez was and still is being made a scapegoat for what’s wrong with the playing squad. He did his best with what he had, he had no support or budget. Suddenly money is available for players and a massive team around unsworth! Maybe he will come good. But his results are terrible. I don’t think for a second shez would have done as bad, even with just Tommy. Was the rhino around in the prehistoric age because he’s looking way more like a dinosaur than shez…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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