Micky Mellon Sack Watch

[deyres42]

27 minutes ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

 

Oh I agree ST made a contribution to it. But the dreadful start and playing catch-up, for me, is the biggest single contributor to missing out on the play-offs, if that is what happens.

 

Personally if being in the play-offs in Feb doesn't excite you, it explains our slight difference in expectation levels. I 100% agree with the rest of your post though. Bromley and Barnet are well-oiled NL machines now and their position this season demonstrates that. Solihull could be tagged in the same group for me. Canny operators.

We got into the top 7 comfortably with like a third of the season to play, all we had to do was maintain reasonable form - the way you are talking it is as if we've always been on the outside looking in.

[Frankly Mr Shankly]

1 hour ago, deyres42 said:

We got into the top 7 comfortably with like a third of the season to play, all we had to do was maintain reasonable form - the way you are talking it is as if we've always been on the outside looking in.

Love this. The charlatan who recruited dreadfully and destroyed any hope of a good start gets a free pass. 5PM man comes in, axes as much dross as he can and gets a shambles of a squad into the playoffs is lambasted because said team runs out of gas.

[deyres42]

1 minute ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

Love this. The charlatan who recruited dreadfully and destroyed any hope of a good start gets a free pass. 5PM man comes in, axes as much dross as he can and gets a shambles of a squad into the playoffs is lambasted because said team runs out of gas.

That's strange because very few were suggesting the squad was a shambles at the time of his appointment.

 

Surely a big reason for appointing the promotion specialist was that he'd be doing his best work in the championship rounds, not scrambling to finish a few places higher from when he started?

[disjointed]

3 minutes ago, deyres42 said:

That's strange because very few were suggesting the squad was a shambles at the time of his appointment.

 

Surely a big reason for appointing the promotion specialist was that he'd be doing his best work in the championship rounds, not scrambling to finish a few places higher from when he started?

I'd say that the majority recognised that the squad had major deficiencies, albeit we haven't really addressed some of them (a right back foremost). For me Mellon has tailed off but deserves next season to see where he can get us, I would wager that 10 games into a new season we won't be sitting just outside the relegation places. 

[yarddog73]

11 hours ago, disjointed said:

I'd say that the majority recognised that the squad had major deficiencies, albeit we haven't really addressed some of them (a right back foremost). For me Mellon has tailed off but deserves next season to see where he can get us, I would wager that 10 games into a new season we won't be sitting just outside the relegation places. 

I'm not debating whether Mellon gets next season or not because that's a given and rightly so but what alarms me is the frequency in which his teams get absolutely drubbed and played off the park, it's almost like every other game now and that's after we supposedly strengthened in January to help us at the business end of the season.

 

Say what you want about Unsworth but his teams didn't roll over and have their bellies tickled at the same frequency as Mellons lot. 

 

This for me is the biggest worry next season alongside him failing to spot where we are desperately short and him being a tactical dinosaur, it's 2024 and we still play seven at the back out of possession which is just soul destroying particularly as we keep very few clean sheets. 

[JoeP]

36 minutes ago, yarddog73 said:

 

 

Say what you want about Unsworth but his teams didn't roll over and have their bellies tickled at the same frequency as Mellons lot. 

 

Jeez, I'm not sure that's quite right.  He started and finished his Latics managerial career with 3-0 defeats at Bromley, lost 4-1 at Notts County, 5-1 at Wrexham, 4-0 at Southend, off the top of my head..

 

His run from January which everyone creams themselves about was also ridiculously fortuitous, often reliant on the opposition missing chances...with that in mind, I'd actually say we actually seem tighter at the back under Mellon.

 

Edited April 5 by JoeP

[TheBigDog]

45 minutes ago, yarddog73 said:

I'm not debating whether Mellon gets next season or not because that's a given and rightly so but what alarms me is the frequency in which his teams get absolutely drubbed and played off the park, it's almost like every other game now and that's after we supposedly strengthened in January to help us at the business end of the season.

 

Say what you want about Unsworth but his teams didn't roll over and have their bellies tickled at the same frequency as Mellons lot. 

 

This for me is the biggest worry next season alongside him failing to spot where we are desperately short and him being a tactical dinosaur, it's 2024 and we still play seven at the back out of possession which is just soul destroying particularly as we keep very few clean sheets. 

Strange that you say “rightly so” about MM being in charge next season, then proceed to list so many of his shortcomings as a manager…

[LightDN123]

1 hour ago, yarddog73 said:

I'm not debating whether Mellon gets next season or not because that's a given and rightly so but what alarms me is the frequency in which his teams get absolutely drubbed and played off the park, it's almost like every other game now and that's after we supposedly strengthened in January to help us at the business end of the season.

 

Say what you want about Unsworth but his teams didn't roll over and have their bellies tickled at the same frequency as Mellons lot. 

 

This for me is the biggest worry next season alongside him failing to spot where we are desperately short and him being a tactical dinosaur, it's 2024 and we still play seven at the back out of possession which is just soul destroying particularly as we keep very few clean sheets. 

we had zero control of games under Unsy, even when we was winning. 
 

Let’s not praise this fraud. 

[JoeP]

It's disappointing the way this season is turning out, but the plan to give Mellon a decent chance to sort us out should still stand.

 

For me he still gets at least as long as Unsworth got...

[Ackey]

21 minutes ago, JoeP said:

It's disappointing the way this season is turning out, but the plan to give Mellon a decent chance to sort us out should still stand.

 

For me he still gets at least as long as Unsworth got...

And then some... Unsworth was unproven and quickly out of his depth. Mellon's considerable pedigree at this level means it's a sensible decision to be more patient with him. 

[deyres42]

The only reason people seem to have for keeping him is based on what he did elsewhere some time ago.

 

Open your eyes to the here and now and the absolute dogs dinner he has made of it.

[GlossopLatic]

44 minutes ago, Ackey said:

And then some... Unsworth was unproven and quickly out of his depth. Mellon's considerable pedigree at this level means it's a sensible decision to be more patient with him. 

 

I agree with that sentiment very much so but if we start next season like we did this season then he's going to come under pressure it's the nature of the beast. Fortunately that is very low hurdle to get over. But any manager who goes on a bad run of form over 10 games becomes liable to the sack.

[Lee Sinnott]

5 minutes ago, deyres42 said:

The only reason people seem to have for keeping him is based on what he did elsewhere some time ago.

 

Open your eyes to the here and now and the absolute dogs dinner he has made of it.

You're probably not far off. My faith in him is down to his previous efforts in this division and not really anything to do with how he's done at Oldham so far...

[Dickie Down]

We've been swapping and changing managers for nearly 30 years now.

 

Hasn't gone well.

[League one forever]

28 minutes ago, deyres42 said:

The only reason people seem to have for keeping him is based on what he did elsewhere some time ago.

 

Open your eyes to the here and now and the absolute dogs dinner he has made of it.

 

[JoeP]

29 minutes ago, deyres42 said:

The only reason people seem to have for keeping him is based on what he did elsewhere some time ago.

 

Open your eyes to the here and now and the absolute dogs dinner he has made of it.

 

But he is - still - mopping up the mess left by Unsworth/the "recruitment team".  A new manager isn't suddenly going to make an over-inflated, over-paid and overrated squad suddenly disappear..

 

Edited April 5 by JoeP

[nzlatic]

29 minutes ago, deyres42 said:

The only reason people seem to have for keeping him is based on what he did elsewhere some time ago.

 

Open your eyes to the here and now and the absolute dogs dinner he has made of it.

Do you think he’s finished as a manager?

[deyres42]

8 minutes ago, nzlatic said:

Do you think he’s finished as a manager?

He's nae finished, he's only 52.

[Boyyou]

His record at Fleetwood, Shrewsbury and Tranmere suggests it takes him a season to turn things round then success follows.

He will certainly have had his eyes opened here in the last six months and will know what is required. 

I'm happy for him to be given the chance to deliver. Like any other manager, if doesn't he is gone.

[deyres42]

30 minutes ago, JoeP said:

 

But he is - still - mopping up the mess left by Unsworth/the "recruitment team".  A new manager isn't suddenly going to make an over-inflated, over-paid and overrated squad suddenly disappear..

 

There is/was no mess to mop up, it is a squad full of previous promotion winners.

[Frankly Mr Shankly]

17 minutes ago, deyres42 said:

There is/was no mess to mop up, it is a squad full of previous promotion winners.

 

Such an overly-simplistic way of assessing it.

[deyres42]

13 minutes ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

 

Such an overly-simplistic way of assessing it.

About as nuanced as saying they've ran out of gas tbf.

[JoeP]

34 minutes ago, deyres42 said:

There is/was no mess to mop up, it is a squad full of previous promotion winners.

 

So we can't judge the manager on what he did elsewhere, but we can judge the players? 

[deyres42]

1 minute ago, JoeP said:

 

So we can't judge the manager on what he did elsewhere, but we can judge the players? 

I'm just going off what people said.

[nzlatic]

1 hour ago, deyres42 said:

He's nae finished, he's only 52.

Quite. Seems reasonable to think it’d be worth keeping him based on what he’s done when given time in the past. 
 

You seem to think there’s not much chance of that happening so I wondered if that was because you thought he wasn’t capable of success with us or as a manager in general.