oafc0000 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 One interesting thing to come out is the 50/50 split between STs and pay on the day revenue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancy lad Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Thanks for putting the time and effort in chaps. So the cost of going down is at least £200k (at the moment), and could be hit much harder by reduced crowds. Pretty much has to put paid to the fact that DP's job is safe? I mean surely its cheaper to sack him and pay up his contract IF they feel the need? Anyone else think so? Before you all start I am not trying to change it to a Penney out campaign, I just want to know views? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 It seems to me there is too much emphasis on quantity of playing staff rather than quality, with the development squad/Hungarians adding to costs yet little signs of it flourishing. I would like to see a trimmer more competitive squad in future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marhar Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Before this thread becomes awash with conspiracy, conjecture and what-not can I just thank you and Andy for taking the time to do this, it's greatly appreciated. +1 Thanks very much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_standreject Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Thanks for taking the time out to do this, I am sure would have been fascinating and full credit to Alan Hardy, Neil Joy and Simon Corney for granting access. Could you ask Alan whether the player's salaries drop should the club be relegated, I would hope that the club would use commonsense and have a figure based on League One because you can bet your bottom dollar the players have an increase in the event of promotion! I don't want to appear to be Mr Doom and Gloom, but surely with a playing wage bill of £1.6million we should be performing slightly better in the League table and would be doing if he was shown the door! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Thanks for putting the time and effort in chaps. So the cost of going down is at least £200k (at the moment), and could be hit much harder by reduced crowds. Pretty much has to put paid to the fact that DP's job is safe? I mean surely its cheaper to sack him and pay up his contract IF they feel the need? Anyone else think so? Before you all start I am not trying to change it to a Penney out campaign, I just want to know views? But that assumes that sacking him would ensure survival, which is absolutely not guaranteed (particularly as any new manager is unlikely to be a world-beating legend with our budget and reputation, and would have to make do with the same players). If we sacked Penney and his staff, hired a new man and his own staff, and still went down, then we're in even more financial trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Oh, and thanks to the chaps for getting this information and posting it. Much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De_La_Vega Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Thanks for taking the time out to do this, I am sure would have been fascinating and full credit to Alan Hardy, Neil Joy and Simon Corney for granting access. Could you ask Alan whether the player's salaries drop should the club be relegated, I would hope that the club would use commonsense and have a figure based on League One because you can bet your bottom dollar the players have an increase in the event of promotion! I don't want to appear to be Mr Doom and Gloom, but surely with a playing wage bill of £1.6million we should be performing slightly better in the League table and would be doing if he was shown the door! Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong, but I assume that the figures for wages should include non-playing staff, reserves, management and other such? Good work from the guys regardless, and interesting to see how this all fits together. You'd think that for £3.5m you could run a competitive football club at this standard, but it looks like we're struggling to make ends meet. Does beg the question where the rest of the league would balance out if their accounts were scrutinised. Also, nice to see that the owners are willing to sit in on this sort of thing and good to see that there are people on here who can acknowledge that rather than the dimwits who seem to think that they have a secret agenda that includes sending us down. I would second the calls on here though that surely this should be something that Bazza Owen should be looking to pull together as part of his remit as Trust Chairman... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 As you will be aware from previous threads on here, Andy (Leeslover) and I visited Boundary Park on Well done guys, clear and concise write-up and very interesting to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigfinLatic Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I don't want to appear to be Mr Doom and Gloom, but surely with a playing wage bill of £1.6million we should be performing slightly better in the League table and would be doing if he was shown the door! You serious? I seem to remember that Leeds and norwichhad a wage bill of 6/7 million.... and that even Swindon, Millwall, Colchester, 'udders et al were about 4/5mil.... i'd say we are exactly where we should be with our current wage bill... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor_Coconut Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 We touched on piegate, will come back about it! Read that as piegirl for a moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancy lad Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 But that assumes that sacking him would ensure survival, which is absolutely not guaranteed (particularly as any new manager is unlikely to be a world-beating legend with our budget and reputation, and would have to make do with the same players). If we sacked Penney and his staff, hired a new man and his own staff, and still went down, then we're in even more financial trouble. You clearly didnt read what I was asking properly or the report itself. I never said anything about Dave Penney's staff and you will find in most cases when a manager parts company his staff follow by choice. In terms of the players, I dont think we have particularly bad players, they just need some tactics, training and direction (it was also confirmed in the report that TTA would make some money available for players if needed). In terms of a new manager being a world beater I agree but I would back any competent attack minded manager to do a better job than Penney right now. If you set your stall out to draw 3 games you might get one result which gets you 1 point. If you set your stall out to win 3 games and only get one result you get 3 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I read the report and your post. Learned to read a few years back, I did! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancy lad Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I read the report and your post. Learned to read a few years back, I did! ;) Well done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelaticsfan Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Excellent report lads, and something i can now use as evidence against them ones who think TTA are making money and not helping the club, no doubt some people will find something that can be taken the wrong way in this and will go on bout how evil TTA are etc. I like how open they where and the details they shared, not many clubs will do that to fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollandspies Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I have been able to get pies at half time at every home game except Leeds in the cup which was a tea time kick off in the main stand. Can't get Hollands pies though can you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterjo Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 As most people will be aware, Boundary Park is not an asset of the football club and Tangible assets in total are only approximately £700k. This mainly comprises of buildings and equipment. excellent work lads.....your efforts and time are much appreciated. is it possible to find out/reveal exactly who or what our beloved boundary park now belongs to?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterjo Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 re : my last post............. please don`t let it be o.m.b.c who own the ground !!!! anyone but them ......coz bad trouble will certainly await us at some point if they do !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hometownclub Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Thanks to Latics & England and Leeslover for taking the time and the trouble to do this, and a a big thank you to TTA and the club for allowing it to happen. Makes for some interesting reading. Well done, good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelaticsfan Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 re : my last post............. please don`t let it be o.m.b.c who own the ground !!!! anyone but them ......coz bad trouble will certainly await us at some point if they do !! Yup such as they want to hold a conference, therefore postponing our match so they can make themselves a bit of money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelaticsfan Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 It goes to show though doesnt it on how much low attendances has an effect on the finances, and just how badly we need the extra income of a new stadium, when you compare that budget with that of leeds, norwich, even colchester and huddersfield its a suprise that we can even expect to be competitive with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 (edited) Latics & England and leeslover, many thanks for doing this and reporting so clearly. It does show that for all their faults (peceived and otherwise) the owners are open and honest. It also shows that things can be achieved when fans decide to act rather than just sit here and ponitificate. I honestly don't believe there is any subtext to what you were told or any degree of covering stuff up; seems to me your questions were answered directly with as much info as they can reasonably be expected to disclose. So I also applaud Simon, Neil and Alan. As I understand it, Boundary Park (i.e. 'the ground'), the land it is built on and the surrounding land (car park and from the border of Clayton Fields to the top car park on Sheepfoot Lane) is owned by TTA through a separate company (Brass Bank Ltd.??). This is always the kind of thing that leads to conspiracy theories and predictions of doom, but I believe it's a common arrangement and that there are some good accounting and business reasons that ownership (and therefore liability) is divided in this way. The above is mostly my conjecture - some degree of confirmation from Simon would be useful to help clarify how it works (and perhaps how the BP disposal side of the Failsworth project is structured). Edited February 26, 2010 by garcon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza699 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Read that as piegirl for a moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 It goes to show though doesnt it on how much low attendances has an effect on the finances, and just how badly we need the extra income of a new stadium, when you compare that budget with that of leeds, norwich, even colchester and huddersfield its a suprise that we can even expect to be competitive with them. get an entertaining team,who give 100% and achieve results and the floaters will return..no matter the craphole we play in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Can't get Hollands pies though can you? And OAFC is not alone in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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