LaticsPete Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 @MENOAFC: A petition urging Oldham not to sign Ched Evans was created an hour ago and already has over 5000 signatures. #oafc https://t.co/314Wb5RWVZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grylls Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 · Hidden by Stevie_J, January 4, 2015 - No reason given Hidden by Stevie_J, January 4, 2015 - No reason given I see fundamental differences, because I know people who have driven after drinking and I know the massively flawed mental permutations that lead to their doing so. There but for the grace of God and all that. The impact of his crimes is massive, but that was not his intent. Rape is a crime of action - Ched Evans chose to rape that woman. I wouldn't ideally have wanted Hughes and didn't warm to him. But this, this is worse to my mind. No issues with him finding a club, he has served his sentence. But not my club, not Latics. You do realise that Ched Evans had been drinking? I doubt a sober guy would like a girls front bottom after their mate had bare backed her. I know it's an offence to name the victim, albeit she has changed her name since, but type 'Ched Evans Victim' into google and click the 3rd hyperlink for some details. Her picture is also on there. Tidy piece. Link to comment
Oh Heck C-Beck Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Regardless of moral viewpoints I think the club is stupid to get involved in this, clearly going to have a negative impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyOAFC Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) *Hidden* That's alright then. Edited January 4, 2015 by Stevie_J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 @MENOAFC: A petition urging Oldham not to sign Ched Evans was created an hour ago and already has over 5000 signatures. #oafc https://t.co/314Wb5RWVZ More signatures than average home attendance - surely that tells the club all they need to know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 @MENOAFC: A petition urging Oldham not to sign Ched Evans was created an hour ago and already has over 5000 signatures. #oafc https://t.co/314Wb5RWVZ Bloody Nora that's more fans than we have. Can't say we aren't getting publicity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 More signatures than average home attendance - surely that tells the club all they need to know? That. 90% of those "signing" have never been to Oldham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 More signatures than average home attendance - surely that tells the club all they need to know? Yes, that not just latics fans are signing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor_Coconut Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 @MENOAFC: A petition urging Oldham not to sign Ched Evans was created an hour ago and already has over 5000 signatures. #oafc https://t.co/314Wb5RWVZ By some nutcase who makes a petition every time a newspaper links him to a club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Well I have - I get the whole "he's served his time deserves to earn a living" etc there's plenty of child molesters out there who have "served their time" wouldn't want them at the club either if he gets cleared in the long run good luck to him but I have seen and dealt with many victims of rape and I don't want him at my club or to see kids with his name on the back of their shirt. That's my opinion you are all entitled to yours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De_La_Vega Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) *Hidden* So? Both drank, but while Hughes chose to drive, Evans chose to have sex with an insensible woman. This is not an apology for Lee Hughes, but I see a difference in the scale of what occured and hence I'll react differently. Edited January 4, 2015 by Stevie_J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grylls Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 That's alright then. I'm not saying that is the case, I'm playing devils advocate. It's a less than ideal situation. In an ideal World we wouldn't be linked with this but he has served his time and is entitled to carry on with his life and in this case that revolves around playing football and trying to clear his name. He is of far more use to society by being employed in his chosen profession so that he is contributing financially rather than being bounded by people, many who know nothing of the case/his career or football in general and being a social burden through welfare. This is no longer about justice. If he was guilty justice has been served. This is about repeated punishment and victimisation and that doesn't sit well with me, less so as I doubt the strength of the conviction anyway. Too much nimbyism going on too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitygoo Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'm not saying that is the case, I'm playing devils advocate. It's a less than ideal situation. In an ideal World we wouldn't be linked with this but he has served his time and is entitled to carry on with his life and in this case that revolves around playing football and trying to clear his name. He is of far more use to society by being employed in his chosen profession so that he is contributing financially rather than being bounded by people, many who know nothing of the case/his career or football in general and being a social burden through welfare. This is no longer about justice. If he was guilty justice has been served. This is about repeated punishment and victimisation and that doesn't sit well with me, less so as I doubt the strength of the conviction anyway. Too much nimbyism going on too! This for me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grylls Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 More signatures than average home attendance - surely that tells the club all they need to know? Yeah, that all the sheep from every corner of the globe is signing it. Not worth the e-paper it's written on. It would be interesting to see the IP addresses of the sheep that are putting their name on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 So? Both drank, but while Hughes chose to drive, Evans chose to have sex with an insensible woman. This is not an apology for Lee Hughes, but I see a difference in the scale of what occured and hence I'll react differently. I see Hughes as more in the wrong there. Both Evans and his victim were wankered and each allowed each other to get into that situation. She got in the taxi and went to the hotel, as did he. Hughes got wankered and decided to drive a huge lump of metal around, his victims didn't go their of their own accord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manshaw Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 So the stay aways are signing the petition then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 @MENOAFC: A petition urging Oldham not to sign Ched Evans was created an hour ago and already has over 5000 signatures. #oafc https://t.co/314Wb5RWVZ Signed now over 6000 tells it's own story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberdeenlatic Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 From a moral perspective I believe everyone deserves a second chance. If the sentence is served then rebuilding a life should be allowed. The role model stuff doesn't wash with me. My concern is the negative press, our society will jump on the bandwagon of disdain and outrage. I don't think it will do the club any favours. However I think it takes courage on behalf of Corney and co to sign him knowing the flack the club will get. I respect opposing views but it would not prevent me for sticking by my club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 The petition can :censored: off. As can that Jean who started it. Christ, I don't want to sign this guy but :censored:ing busy bodies who don't even follow a football team (let alone this one) piss me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brierleys555 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 don't whinge about ched if you accepted hughes because one has led to the other. i'm oafc and long after evans has gone I will still be oafc. ktf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Email sent to Simon Corney, Barry Owen, Ian Hill, Richard Taylor, Neil Joy and Lee Johnson. None have yet been returned as undeliverable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Heck C-Beck Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 From a moral perspective I believe everyone deserves a second chance. If the sentence is served then rebuilding a life should be allowed. The role model stuff doesn't wash with me. My concern is the negative press, our society will jump on the bandwagon of disdain and outrage. I don't think it will do the club any favours. However I think it takes courage on behalf of Corney and co to sign him knowing the flack the club will get. I respect opposing views but it would not prevent me for sticking by my club. I agree with your negative press bit and that is what worries me about this signing. The amount of outrage is clear from the petition that already has 6000 signatures. It is not about whether or not Hughes did something worse and we signed him. Whoever signs Ched Evans is going to get a lot of flak and sponsors and stakeholders will be under pressure to distance themselves from this. We will also alienate some of our own fans. A stupid gamble this in my opinion. We should have stayed clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 @MENOAFC: A petition urging Oldham not to sign Ched Evans was created an hour ago and already has over 5000 signatures. #oafc https://t.co/314Wb5RWVZ Signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageTheBeast Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Difference between hughes and evans is social media about the out cry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Mike Tyson never admitted his 'rape' as he maintained his innocence. If its the same for Evans they why should he buckle? Tyson is treated like a king over here. Reading a lot of stuff saying if he was sorry he'd be welcomed more openly. Do we recall the case with Dickov and the Leicester players? There are women out there like that, read up on Tysons case. As we know football, footballers and football fans get tarnished with the same brush as far as some of the general public and law makers are concerned. I feel Evans is getting double punishment just because he's a footballer. I've no idea if Evans is innocent or not, I've read into it and its not clear cut, however he's done his jail time. Let him play and change things around. No doubt we'll have consulted sponsors etc and its worth the gamble. Fans of OAFC will still be fans no matter who plays. We've had drug users, match fixers, a player who admitted to group sex with a 15 year old, Hughes and many others recently. The moral high ground went years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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