longtimeblue Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 That is besides the point... Look at what he HAS admited to in court... I'd find infidelity easier to forgive than rape. I'm not getting involved in the conversations on here but he's obviously got a missus/family that believe his version of events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis Enrique Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Well I can't say that what I am going to do is a boycott. But for the time being the going / not going issue has been made very straightforward for me. 20 years ago I only had myself to think about. Maybe I would have put up with it, as abhorrent and inept as this whole business has been. It's hard for me to say. I put up with Lee Hughes I suppose. Now I have three kids, aged 12, seven and two. At the weekend I had to explain to my seven year old who Ched Evans was and what rape was. (Thanks for that Ched, Barry, Simon et al) I had to tell our 12 year old what Ched Evans had done and what the atmosphere and attitude of (some) oldham and away fans would likely be at matches. Maybe I'm wrong about the 'Ched Evans, he f***s who he wants' chants, but I doubt it. Neither of them want to go again. Their mum certainly doesn't want them to go again. 2015 is my 30th anniversary of watching Oldham, I've been all over the country and must have seen somewhere between 500 & 750 matches in that time. Am I going to put my young kids into that? No i'm not. Who knows what happens next, but there must be a fair old chance that's three supporters of the future lost forever, never mind what happens to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I'd find infidelity easier to forgive than rape. I'm not getting involved in the conversations on here but he's obviously got a missus/family that believe his version of events. I would find it hard to forgive someone who cheats on my daughter to be frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimeblue Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I would find it hard to forgive someone who cheats on my daughter to be frank. Agreed. However, it may not be unforgivable. If you then believed that the said person had spent 2 years wrongfully in prison, you'd probably even begin to sympathise. Understand it seems odd but it's obvious what the family's stance is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EASTLEY Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Luis, Can you give me a view of how you explained it to a 7 year old as I have one and at the moment his understanding is that he did something bad to a lady? I understand your predicament walking in the shoes as a parent, rather than thinking about himself? Cheers Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBT Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Well I can't say that what I am going to do is a boycott. But for the time being the going / not going issue has been made very straightforward for me. 20 years ago I only had myself to think about. Maybe I would have put up with it, as abhorrent and inept as this whole business has been. It's hard for me to say. I put up with Lee Hughes I suppose. Now I have three kids, aged 12, seven and two. At the weekend I had to explain to my seven year old who Ched Evans was and what rape was. (Thanks for that Ched, Barry, Simon et al) I had to tell our 12 year old what Ched Evans had done and what the atmosphere and attitude of (some) oldham and away fans would likely be at matches. Maybe I'm wrong about the 'Ched Evans, he f***s who he wants' chants, but I doubt it. Neither of them want to go again. Their mum certainly doesn't want them to go again. 2015 is my 30th anniversary of watching Oldham, I've been all over the country and must have seen somewhere between 500 & 750 matches in that time. Am I going to put my young kids into that? No i'm not. Who knows what happens next, but there must be a fair old chance that's three supporters of the future lost forever, never mind what happens to me. Exactly this for me too. I also have been supporting Oldham for over 30 years, was a mascot myself in 1984. I now have 3 children, aged 10, 8 and 5 (inc one daughter). We are all season ticket holders. My 2 boys have both been mascots. There is no way I am going to put my children in a position where the abuse they will see and hear will be frightening. Anybody who thinks otherwise is deluded. Do I really want to explain to my daughter what the angry men are chanting or what a 'rapist' is? As much as it hurts me to say it (and it really does), we're out. I have also emailed Simon Corney, and all of the directors, expressing my dissatisfaction and have not had the courtesy of a response, not that I genuinely expect one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Exactly this for me too. I also have been supporting Oldham for over 30 years, was a mascot myself in 1984. I now have 3 children, aged 10, 8 and 5 (inc one daughter). We are all season ticket holders. My 2 boys have both been mascots. There is no way I am going to put my children in a position where the abuse they will see and hear will be frightening. Anybody who thinks otherwise is deluded. Do I really want to explain to my daughter what the angry men are chanting or what a 'rapist' is? As much as it hurts me to say it (and it really does), we're out. I have also emailed Simon Corney, and all of the directors, expressing my dissatisfaction and have not had the courtesy of a response, not that I genuinely expect one. Send him another one expressing your unwavering support - I'm led to believe you get a response then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis Enrique Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Luis, Can you give me a view of how you explained it to a 7 year old as I have one and at the moment his understanding is that he did something bad to a lady? I understand your predicament walking in the shoes as a parent, rather than thinking about himself? Cheers Rob Hi Rob I'd love to say I had a well scripted and thought through explanation for him. Sadly I didn't. With a twelve year old brother around he's a pretty clued up seven year old. With a very inquisitive mind. He asked me what all this was about and I probably started in the same place most people would / did. I started with the least I could say 'he did a bad thing' but as the questions persisted, I decided rather than claiming parental privilege and ducking a tough conversation, this was the right time to explain what that was. he knows what sex is already. and he's only going to go and google it and read god knows what if I duck it. i tried to be as matter of fact as possible about what rape was, explaining the serious nature of it, without getting into the full emotional horror of it. it's tough. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) Hi Rob I'd love to say I had a well scripted and thought through explanation for him. Sadly I didn't. With a twelve year old brother around he's a pretty clued up seven year old. With a very inquisitive mind. He asked me what all this was about and I probably started in the same place most people would / did. I started with the least I could say 'he did a bad thing' but as the questions persisted, I decided rather than claiming parental privilege and ducking a tough conversation, this was the right time to explain what that was. he knows what sex is already. and he's only going to go and google it and read god knows what if I duck it. i tried to be as matter of fact as possible about what rape was, explaining the serious nature of it, without getting into the full emotional horror of it. it's tough. Good luck! Football, of all things, should not be the trigger for you to have had to do that. Edited January 7, 2015 by slystallone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EASTLEY Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Cheers Luis, appreciated My lad isn't that clued so am going to need the luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis Enrique Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Football, of all things, should not be the trigger for you to have had to do that. My feelings exactly. My over riding feeling about the last few days at OAFC is that the club have put so many people in such a difficult position. And it really did not have to be this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofcecere Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Given the strength of feeling by many, as a gesture of good will the club should offer a refund to season ticket holders to cover the remaining home matches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsweeting24 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Given the strength of feeling by many, as a gesture of good will the club should offer a refund to season ticket holders to cover the remaining home matches Give over. The fans paid their money knowing full well the club could sign whoever they wanted, be it on this high profile or not. That money should not be refunded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
help_shiny Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 no way I'd explain to to a 7 year old what Evans did. My 7 year old's last Latics game she turned to me and said "Daddy, what's a rent boy". Rather than explain about the physical act of union, about this thing happening between men, about young men being paid in exchange for these services I just said "no, he said Red Boy. And I dont understand because he's not even wearing red is he? I think he's drunk". As for Evans it'd be a simple "what? oh, err, no he said racist". I certainly wouldn't stop taking my kids just because Evans is playing but I think most whose children arent deaf or away with the fairies would give this Saturday a miss. As for encouraging my children to support someone else because I really really really don't like the man who runs the club and his amazingly bad decision....woah, there - that way lies madness. In 10, 15,20 years time at my kid's football watching peak they wont even know who Ched Evans is and hopefully Simon Corney too. There's probably middle aged men out there who support Yoonited because Ken Bates once was rude to their father in the Main Stand in 1967, don't go down the same road! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) Hello all, if you are like me and are pay on the gate, may I suggest you might look at the pinned thread called Owtb, what's it worth. The mods are doing a great job but the site needs some funds with the sudden interest and all to keep going I know once confirmed that "he who should not be named", signs then I will be doing this as I won't be attending BP but I will still be needing my fix of you all Thanks Edited January 7, 2015 by underdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 How many of the 101 that say that they will be boycotting games, went to the Crewe game, go to most home games or are season ticket holders?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 How many of the 101 that say that they will be boycotting games, went to the Crewe game, go to most home games or are season ticket holders?.Me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) I will be there, but to support the team (it's a team game after all) and I'll cheer if the Latics score as I have done for thousands of goals I've seen in the past, if it happens to be Evans who nets it won't matter to me, it's still a team effort. It makes no difference to me if the Latics are in the Premier or North West Counties League, its the football club I will be following not any individual. Playershare has helped to bring in some players we might not have got, so I don't see why they should suffer. Yes, I'll still be griping about holding midfielders and praising the good old days (to be honest they weren't really all good) and members of OWTB will have to put up with my sometimes knee jerk after match comments (you'd miss them wouldn't you?) By the way, I will be sending something to OWTB for maintaining this website, without funding the site where else can we all have a good moan and groan. Edited January 7, 2015 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 How many of the 101 that say that they will be boycotting games, went to the Crewe game, go to most home games or are season ticket holders?. No Yes No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 How many of the 101 that say that they will be boycotting games, went to the Crewe game, go to most home games or are season ticket holders?. Same As deyres42; NO (Holiday) YES and NO-same for my mate so the Club are going to be £44 down on Saturday. We sit with a mate who is a ST Holder with his daugther so YES YES YES by 2. The club will lose nothing this week from them! By the way there was only me that voted within the 101, More importantly there are a lot of 'fickle' part time supporters who will not be within the 101 but will not be there on Saturday and probably not again all season! Good Luck to all who do attend-Give LJ and the lads an extra cheer from us! I have had enough of Corney! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBT Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Yes, yes and yes (and that doesn't include my children who weren't in the 101 who are also ST holders) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics_Al Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 How many of the 101 that say that they will be boycotting games, went to the Crewe game, go to most home games or are season ticket holders?. All three here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 How many of the 101 that say that they will be boycotting games, went to the Crewe game, go to most home games or are season ticket holders?. Yes, yes and no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 How many of the 101 that say that they will be boycotting games, went to the Crewe game, go to most home games or are season ticket holders?. 1, Yes and paid for 2 student sons 2,Yes, 50% 1son 25% 1son 3 Yes no no It does look complicated I know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankly Mr Shankly Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) Well I can't say that what I am going to do is a boycott. But for the time being the going / not going issue has been made very straightforward for me. 20 years ago I only had myself to think about. Maybe I would have put up with it, as abhorrent and inept as this whole business has been. It's hard for me to say. I put up with Lee Hughes I suppose. Now I have three kids, aged 12, seven and two. At the weekend I had to explain to my seven year old who Ched Evans was and what rape was. (Thanks for that Ched, Barry, Simon et al) I had to tell our 12 year old what Ched Evans had done and what the atmosphere and attitude of (some) oldham and away fans would likely be at matches. Maybe I'm wrong about the 'Ched Evans, he f***s who he wants' chants, but I doubt it. Neither of them want to go again. Their mum certainly doesn't want them to go again. 2015 is my 30th anniversary of watching Oldham, I've been all over the country and must have seen somewhere between 500 & 750 matches in that time. Am I going to put my young kids into that? No i'm not. Who knows what happens next, but there must be a fair old chance that's three supporters of the future lost forever, never mind what happens to me. When this first broke, the thought of this didn't really cross my mind at first. My young 'un is one. But I know in all liklehood when he reaches 7 and 8 I'll be taking him with me. And now I've had time to digest all this I'm going to find it incredibly hard to find ways of explaining to him what things like rape is, when he reaches that age. I find conversations like this with young ones (in my experience with my nephew) very difficult. Anyway, it's just further cemented the choice I'm making in my eyes. Time to take a break from it for a time. See how I feel once he's gone. How many of the 101 that say that they will be boycotting games, went to the Crewe game, go to most home games or are season ticket holders?. No. Yes. No. Edited January 7, 2015 by Frankly Mr Shankly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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