yarddog73 Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 So Harry no suggestions? Obsessed I think they call it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Obsessed I think they call it. That's why I come on here. I just yearn to hear all the constructive suggestions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astottie Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) Those who say Poleon is :censored: after he's been played up front on his own, again, will be the same people who said Rhys Murphy was :censored: when he was getting played on his own. These people seem surprised that they're not bagging a goal a game with James Wilson's hoofs out for a goal kick and surprised they're not winning every header against a 6'2 centre back My issues with Poleon today were When a cross from the left found him in a position six yards out to either volley on the turn left footed or flick a header from a bending position he chose to try and chest the ball down in the six yard box When he was the lead player In a four against three position able to shoot or pass left he gave the ball away on the edge of the box Second half he was stood on his own in the six yard box far post free header missed by ten feet I don't criticise for not being able to play on his own up front but for the above Pace of a greyhound but unfortunately the ball control of one too. Edited October 31, 2015 by astottie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozman Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 For me, it's not so much about formations but what happens when we win possession of the ball and move towards the final third of the pitch. I thought the difference between the 2 teams today is that, on the relatively few occasions Burton won possession inside our half, they moved the ball forward quickly to forwards running in the channels and caused us problems whilst some of our defenders were still out of position. On the more numerous occasions we won the ball in a similar situation we slowed play down allowing them time to reorganise and get 2 banks of 4 in place before we even attempted to hurt them. It's not just Burton, this seems to have been the pattern for large parts of most home games under both managers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStationLatic Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 ^ a very good point. We've got too many players holding positions and zones. Any formation needs fluidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losesome Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 It is negative formation. When we attack and the ball is crossed we have one sometimes 2 players in their box. The opposition always appear to have far more when they attack. Our midfielders play too deep. When was the last time a mid player scored running into the box!!!! We should play every home game like the 2nd leg of a cup game and we are 2 down from the first leg. Sure we will lose quite a few but we would sure win a lot more than current form and it would give far more entertainment. Can't see what we have to lose, 4 home wins in 12 months with entertainment value oh nil says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitey1980 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 For me, it's not so much about formations but what happens when we win possession of the ball and move towards the final third of the pitch. I thought the difference between the 2 teams today is that, on the relatively few occasions Burton won possession inside our half, they moved the ball forward quickly to forwards running in the channels and caused us problems whilst some of our defenders were still out of position. On the more numerous occasions we won the ball in a similar situation we slowed play down allowing them time to reorganise and get 2 banks of 4 in place before we even attempted to hurt them. It's not just Burton, this seems to have been the pattern for large parts of most home games under both managers. Absolutely spot on. The formation itself is not simply to blame. We transition so slowly when we finally win the ball that teams have an age to reset defensively. It needs a change of mindset and intensity - otherwise 2 up front will make little difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) 4!!! ..in 12 months, is that right. It's no wonder the crowds are dropping! Edited October 31, 2015 by oafc1955 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvlatic Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I remember when I first started to go to Latics - I didn't give two :censored:s about formations, patterns of play and all the rest of this current obsession where everyone's a manager....all I cared about was scoring more than the other team and I didn't care who scored or which position they played in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 For me, it's not so much about formations but what happens when we win possession of the ball and move towards the final third of the pitch. I thought the difference between the 2 teams today is that, on the relatively few occasions Burton won possession inside our half, they moved the ball forward quickly to forwards running in the channels and caused us problems whilst some of our defenders were still out of position. On the more numerous occasions we won the ball in a similar situation we slowed play down allowing them time to reorganise and get 2 banks of 4 in place before we even attempted to hurt them. It's not just Burton, this seems to have been the pattern for large parts of most home games under both managers. Spot on, when they broke it was with pace with forward players making runs & midfielder absolutely busting a gut to get in to support. At times when we gainesd possession we made 4 passes to get the ball back to the player that had it in the first place. By which time every Burton man was behind the ball. Another massive difference was when they did attack they got number in the box. 4 attackers to our 4 defenders when a cross came in. In very similar positions even though we always hit the first man we had Poleon against 4 with Winchester or Kelly lurking outside the box. Far too easy for every team in the league. Can't understand why we aren't scoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Cov v Posh.....47 shots in the game 22 on target and 5 goals. Don't think we've had that many in total yet.!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losesome Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 4!!! ..in 12 months, is that right. It's no wonder the crowds are dropping! Yes 4 wins at home since Nov 2014. Our home record in the last 2 years is worse than EVERY relegated side in the football league last season!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 LOUD NOISES! Burton look a decent side, had one chance after we lost the ball cheaply and finished it well. We huffed and puffed a bit, nearly equalised but for a great save from their keeper. Lost our way a bit in the second half but it certainly wasn't as bad as some want to make out. Just this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhamoafc Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 The team selection was the biggest problem and I think the system we play doesn't suit home games. It's alright playing that team and system away from home but we need to be on the front foot at home. Instead of an unbalanced midfield and forward line we need to change it to actually play people in their natural positions. Drop philliskirk for home games and drop Fulton and play Kelly and Jones in the middle. It's alright playing this tippy tappy sidewards negative football but it gets us nowhere. We lack pace and ideas once we get into their half! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 They hadn't won in six. They won 2-0 last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Just listened to Dunn's BBC interview, a couple of things stood out. When asked about it being difficult without two of his best players in Higdon or Jones, Dunn then included Lafferty in that list. Fair enough complimenting Lafferty who's a good player, but it will be interesting to see how Mills reacts to that. Also Dunn says we will be missing "quite a few" of our loanees next week. With Kelly also suspended I fear that we'll be "concentrating on the league" by this time next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aarondo Westy Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Just listened to Dunn's BBC interview, a couple of things stood out. When asked about it being difficult without two of his best players in Higdon or Jones, Dunn then included Lafferty in that list. Fair enough complimenting Lafferty who's a good player, but it will be interesting to see how Mills reacts to that. Also Dunn says we will be missing "quite a few" of our loanees next week. With Kelly also suspended I fear that we'll be "concentrating on the league" by this time next week. I dont think Simon Corney will be saying that to Dunn. Round 3 minimum expectation. If we go out next week it could kill what little confidence this team has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I dont think Simon Corney will be saying that to Dunn. Round 3 minimum expectation. If we go out next week it could kill what little confidence this team has. Absolutely. When we beat Liverpool and Drew with Everton that accrued £ 212,000 in prize money and £ 486,000 in TV rights plus crowd income. For clubs like us the F A Cup is not a take it or leave it event. It can be life changing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Dunn needs to start next week, seeing as he has ruled himself out as sub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazlatic Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 A lone striker is okay if he is 6 foot plus but ours wasn't today. Where was Higdon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 A lone striker is okay if he is 6 foot plus but ours wasn't today. Where was Higdon? Said to be injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyclapper Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 What was obvious to our management before the game is that Poleon alone up front on his own doesn't work. Thats why Higdon was brought in. We've been there. So why has Dunn decided not to use that obvious intel. Where is Higdon? Fuller was the clear alternative. Not seeing any change to the :censored:e 5-4-1 at half time was frustrating to say the least. Yes Poleon needs to fight more but today it was Dunn who got it wrong and cost us. So then. Where is Higdon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyclapper Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Sorry 4-5-1. Still. the two strikers up front was the impact needed albeit too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvlatic Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Higdon was sat in front of the Latics bench - shame he wasn't sat in the Burton box! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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