Wozzer Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 I'm working towards moving me, my wife & kids abroad in the future - probably Spain, possibly somewhere else. Nothing has changed. Have you travelled much? Do you travel much? Not having a pop, I just keep reading similar sentiment to what you've posted and it makes me wonder... I'm fortunate enough to have been able to over the years and everywhere that anybody would reasonably like to live, EU or otherwise, has plenty of British ex pats, young and old. There are more in Spain than, eg Thailand or Argentina but it is, after all, a hell of a lot closer. As for entering far flung countries I can't recall having to go through the simple process of applying for, and sometimes paying, for the odd entry visa ever having seemed a problem. Or feeling particularly "fettered". But we'll never have to do that anyway for mainland Europe. There's a big, big world out there - don't be such an insular Little European. Well the only continents I haven't visited are Australia and Antactica so I've been about a bit. My point wasn't about travel it was about living and working. One of the key arguments for Brexit was around uncontrolled mass immigration from Europe, to use the populist vernacular "coming here and stealing our jobs." Is freedom to live and work in any of the 28 states compromised by Brexit or not? If not then a lot of people have just voted for something they're not going to get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Go on, what effect is it going to have....? We are an ageing population go figure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 so prophetic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Well the only continents I haven't visited are Australia and Antactica so I've been about a bit. My point wasn't about travel it was about living and working. One of the key arguments for Brexit was around uncontrolled mass immigration from Europe, to use the populist vernacular "coming here and stealing our jobs." Is freedom to live and work in any of the 28 states compromised by Brexit or not? If not then a lot of people have just voted for something they're not going to get. They are countries, slowly losing their sovereignty and independence. The EU would like to cal them states, and will no doubt do so in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 We are an ageing population go figureWere you planning to off the pensioners if we'd stayed in? No wonder they turned out to vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Well the only continents I haven't visited are Australia and Antactica so I've been about a bit. My point wasn't about travel it was about living and working. One of the key arguments for Brexit was around uncontrolled mass immigration from Europe, to use the populist vernacular "coming here and stealing our jobs." Is freedom to live and work in any of the 28 states compromised by Brexit or not? If not then a lot of people have just voted for something they're not going to get. I've lived and worked in the Middle East, where my passport was more powerful than any in the world except a Gulf Arab one. My dad lived and worked in the Philippines and Burma as well as shorter spells in Yugoslavia, all over the States, Mexico and others. It's just not credible that there will be a problem working in Hamburg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wozzer Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 I've lived and worked in the Middle East, where my passport was more powerful than any in the world except a Gulf Arab one. My dad lived and worked in the Philippines and Burma as well as shorter spells in Yugoslavia, all over the States, Mexico and others. It's just not credible that there will be a problem working in Hamburg. No end to mass immigration then. Thanks for clearing that up. Might have been useful for the remain campaign if they'd pushed that point a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wozzer Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 They are countries, slowly losing their sovereignty and independence. The EU would like to cal them states, and will no doubt do so in the future. Seriously? I think you'll find that state and country are synonymous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 We are an ageing population go figure So would more young families with kids from the EU coming in ease or add to the burden on health and other public services in your opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) So would more young families with kids from the EU coming in ease or add to the burden on health and other public services in your opinion? Bearing in mind most would pay into the system and not take benefits I would imagine that will ease it. What about the young professionals coming to work in the city, or polish builders with no kids would they pay taxes add their skills or take benefits. You do realise those types are less likely to take benefits and are more likely to pay taxes than those born here aren't you? Edited June 25, 2016 by GlossopLatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Were you planning to off the pensioners if we'd stayed in? No wonder they turned out to vote. No I was hoping my parents generation would have a nice long retirement that might change now. Whos paying for the baby boomers retirement? The way this has gone I'd be tempted to wack the retirement age up to 70 minimum. Our company deals with 600 clients many of whom trade with the EU. 2/3 wanted us to stay in. I saw the post brexit advice they were dealing out it wasn't pretty. Trading in the EU could prove to be a minefield now for British business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Bearing in mind most would pay into the system and not take benefits I would imagine that will ease it. What about the young professionals coming to work in the city with no kids would they pay taxes add their skills or take benefits. You do realise those types are less likely to take benefits and are more likely to pay taxes than those born here aren't you? Why are you talking about benefits when I asked about health and other public services? Seek help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Why are you talking about benefits when I asked about health and other public services? Seek help. Who is going to pay for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayItLivo Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) That petition is a joke and a complete insult to democracy.....a bit like the EU.....let's keep on voting until we get the result we want??!! We had a free, democratic vote and one side won, end of. I've also heard youngsters moaning about the result and comments like "50 year olds have stolen our future".....it's everyone's future ffs!!! Also notable that the turnout amongst younger voters was much lower than older age groups.......you had a vote and if you didn't use it because you were in bed, down the pub, on Tinder or on your PlayStation then tough :censored:!! | Maybe if these reprobates had to live through a world war and see their democracy threatened then they wouldn't be so quick to spit in the face of it. It's sickening to see them attack democracy and blame the "older generation" because their side lost. These people are trying to overturn a majority vote and suggest older people's vote count for less in national elections, all for their own selfish means, they'd be willing to give up equal rights and democracy for their personal agenda and worldview, that is batshít insane, I'm not sure exactly of the extent of the damage that being out of the EU will do financially, but if democracy is seen to be worthless and the majority vote is ignored, the damage is far, far worse. That doesn't set us back 30 years, it throws us back centuries. Edited June 25, 2016 by PlayItLivo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeroyboy Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Bearing in mind most would pay into the system and not take benefits I would imagine that will ease it. What about the young professionals coming to work in the city, or polish builders with no kids would they pay taxes add their skills or take benefits. You do realise those types are less likely to take benefits and are more likely to pay taxes than those born here aren't you? I notice you don't quote actual statistics or illegals, Romanian gypsies and asylum seekers. Selective to fit the argument - just like the politicians. Would you vote to join the European Union as it stands and is performing today? Have you voted to allow governance of our country to be ceded to the European government? Or, As we all regularly shout at politicians on TV, 'answer the damn question.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) 52-48 No matter who had won on such a margin, IN or OUT... The reality is, nothing is for certain with such a narrow win. We now have exit negotiations, leadership battles and general elections, further independence referendums to deal with now. OUT had no plan..... We now get to form that plan. Everything to play for to be frank. What OUT looks like could be anything to be frank. Lib Dems are already going to campaign on a staying in EU ticket etc for example and with 16 million people potentially looking for a voice they might be making a come back. I don't think anything is for certain over the coming years. Edited June 25, 2016 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Would you vote to join the European Union as it stands and is performing today? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor evil Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Have you voted to allow governance of our country to be ceded to the European government? Serious question, for you whats the difference between that and a national government. (Other than the obvious broadness) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 No I was hoping my parents generation would have a nice long retirement that might change now. Whos paying for the baby boomers retirement? The way this has gone I'd be tempted to wack the retirement age up to 70 minimum. Our company deals with 600 clients many of whom trade with the EU. 2/3 wanted us to stay in. I saw the post brexit advice they were dealing out it wasn't pretty. Trading in the EU could prove to be a minefield now for British business.Ah, so you're quoting Osborne's last minute panic threat. Thought you had an actual point to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 No end to mass immigration then. Thanks for clearing that up. Might have been useful for the remain campaign if they'd pushed that point a bit.Well, it's an unfair world, and a UK passport will continue to get you through more doors than the other way around. Restricting immigration was never my thing. Neither is nationalising the railways. Both are possible subjects for a government to seek election over now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Well, it's an unfair world, and a UK passport will continue to get you through more doors than the other way around. Restricting immigration was never my thing. Neither is nationalising the railways. Both are possible subjects for a government to seek election over now.The frustration of the remain voters isn't at people like yourself. Who've clearly thought about it, looked at the economic and social issues and made a rational decision whether we agree with you or not. It's at those for who immigration is their thing. It's everything. And they saw this vote as a way to stop those bloody foreigners coming in and taking all our jobs. Swallowing bare faced lies about 12 million Turks flooding the country this year, less immigrants coming in overall and the £350m that will go on the nhs rather than to foreigners. Promises that within 24 hours of the result being announced have been retracted by leave campaigners. Has that group of ignorant voters swung this vote in favour of leave? I'd say so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piglinbland Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Does anybody else get the feeling we've just become lab-rats for the EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Does anybody else get the feeling we've just become lab-rats for the EU? No!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losesome Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 The frustration of the remain voters isn't at people like yourself. Who've clearly thought about it, looked at the economic and social issues and made a rational decision whether we agree with you or not. It's at those for who immigration is their thing. It's everything. And they saw this vote as a way to stop those bloody foreigners coming in and taking all our jobs. Swallowing bare faced lies about 12 million Turks flooding the country this year, less immigrants coming in overall and the £350m that will go on the nhs rather than to foreigners. Promises that within 24 hours of the result being announced have been retracted by leave campaigners. Has that group of ignorant voters swung this vote in favour of leave? I'd say so. Yes just like the punishing budget we were promised if the leave vote win !!! At the end of the day both sides came out with a stream of lies . To say that voters were ignorant is ridiculous because for the first time i think the majority of people that have voted (either way) have put a great deal of thought into this and have looked through the lies of both camps and made decisions based on how they view the current situation. History shows that countries and organisations run by un-elected hierachy invariably fail as will the EU because despite this result the EU has resolved to push further ahead with their federalism instead of standing back and saying "Wait a minute , what are we doing wrong for so many people to be unhappy with the EU" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeroyboy Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Serious question, for you whats the difference between that and a national government. (Other than the obvious broadness) We have a general election every 5yrs (previously 4). Between us we choose every single member of every single parliament. After the surprise outcome of the last election and now this referendum, we have even given our 'appointed' representatives something to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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