Monty Burns Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Never said we don't. Regularly winning games at £15 would see big crowds. Regularly winning games at £24 won't IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combo Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Lets drop it to £2 and get a full house every game .... we would wouldn't we ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Yeah but we would lose!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combo Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Whats new ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Errm... The top HT music ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 The reality is that #1 the Athleticos style is just not compatible with most fans perception of vocal support. It's not the English way #2 their location within the ground has no attraction to most. Why move to sit in the corner when I can have a vastly better view elsewhere? #3 They're seen as them and not us. You're right that the way to combat that is for a good number of fans to make their way to the JFS and make it the proper home end, like you get at Fratton Park, Derby, Molineux, but the reasons above severely impede the chances of that happening imo Disagree with #3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Disagree with #3. I'd say that's an innate thing when you form a group with its own name and style which deviates from tradition. The more who get involved and the more diverse the participants are the more normalised it becomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 The reality is that #1 the Athleticos style is just not compatible with most fans perception of vocal support. It's not the English way #2 their location within the ground has no attraction to most. Why move to sit in the corner when I can have a vastly better view elsewhere? #3 They're seen as them and not us. You're right that the way to combat that is for a good number of fans to make their way to the JFS and make it the proper home end, like you get at Fratton Park, Derby, Molineux, but the reasons above severely impede the chances of that happening imo I wasn't implying that we all go to sit in the JFS, or that we all go and join the Atletico's, its not everyone's thing. My point is is that if we want to make a better atmosphere at BP then we need to stop blaming - Bad accoustic's - The Athletico's - Where the Athletico's sit - A drum - Crystal Palace - The originality of the songs - What the home end is It comes down to just doing what we want to do and literally opening our mouths and singing more it really is that simple. I'm not coming from a position of superiority here I hardly sing at home games. I tend to react to whats infront of me, if we have a good period I tend to sing and encourage more so I join in with chants. Having sat in all the stands over the last 26 years when we get going we are actually alright, I thought the atmosphere at the back end of last season was pretty good as we responded to the players renewed vigour under Sheridan, we just need to be arsed more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusunga_Is_God Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Attendances didn't even rise when we were doing well with LJ. Club will probably fade away soon enough, fickle fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Buy you have to be somewhat organised to have an atmosphere as it is. Aside from a few Come On *insert club* and the occasional clap-alongs, I think the football world has established sitting down doesn't create an atmosphere. Then standing in all-seater grounds creates massive issues because of jobsworths. The likelihood of everyone getting involved is very slim, despite the willingness of yourself, therefore the best bet is to find a concentrated group of fans who actually want to cause a bit of a din, like the Athleticos. That obviously involves organisation to some extent. Unfortunately it's still not significant enough in numbers to be atmospheric, but done the right way and it might... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Win games, crowd comes back, everyone starts singing, problem solved ........ apart from that pesky winning games part Even when the atmosphere could be great we rarely sang constantly for the whole game.It was always more with the ebb & flow of what was happening on the pitch (or off it ) . It was a bit like that on Tuesday against Wigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Attendances didn't even rise when we were doing well with LJ. Club will probably fade away soon enough, fickle fans. I'd say the remaining fans are anything but fickle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I'd say the remaining fans are anything but fickle. Or the stayaways what with them having stayed away in a very non fickle manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Yeah. :censored: word usage that. Unlucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Or the stayaways what with them having stayed away in a very non fickle manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Robinson saying his football can bring back fans. Although I enjoyed it to some extent on Saturday, no way lapsed fans will see 0-0's and be enticed back, no matter how competitive we supposedly are (against Walsall). Will take wins, a promotion race and more reasonably priced tickets. People don't pay to see graft. http://mobile.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/robinson-hopes-performances-entice-more-supporters-to-games-3250808.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I pay to see graft it's a minimum requirement for me and I get more satisfaction out of watching a player leave it all on the pitch than I do from one who drifts in and out of games, if grafting is good enough for your Ronaldo's it's good enough for our players, one way to get fans back is showing a high level of commitment, with that and the hard work and discipline you get your rewards, prime example being Northern Ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Hard working league one players finish higher in the table than lazy league one players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uppermill Latics Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Or the stayaways what with them having stayed away in a very non fickle manner. This is the issue - they won't be coming back! I've been a Latics fan for around 40 years and haven't been to a match the last two seasons, not because I'm fickle but because (for the umpteen reasons all well documented) I choose not to go again until Corney is gone and then, there will be a decision to be made. People who label the stayaways as fickle show incredible naivety. It would also be wrong to label everyone who still goes to BP as happy clappers. I fear for the club at the moment unless new owners are found quickly. We're nearing the point of no return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 This is the issue - they won't be coming back! I've been a Latics fan for around 40 years and haven't been to a match the last two seasons, not because I'm fickle but because (for the umpteen reasons all well documented) I choose not to go again until Corney is gone and then, there will be a decision to be made. People who label the stayaways as fickle show incredible naivety. It would also be wrong to label everyone who still goes to BP as happy clappers. I fear for the club at the moment unless new owners are found quickly. We're nearing the point of no return. They're fickle if they come back for big cup games. Otherwise if you have your reasons and stay away then that's fine, your choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Is "fickle" the least understood, most misused word in the English language? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosa Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Is "fickle" the least understood, most misused word in the English language? Nah, that's 'literally'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Nah, that's 'literally'. FACT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 They're fickle if they come back for big cup games. Otherwise if you have your reasons and stay away then that's fine, your choice What an absolute load of bollocks. So stay away if you want to see an exciting game of football but dont come back if the chance of one occurs. This product of football isnt and never has been exclusive. You might want it to be Mcfluff but it wont be. I too will be back when Corney pisses off but I might come to the odd match, probably most likely on an away day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 (edited) This is the issue - they won't be coming back! I've been a Latics fan for around 40 years and haven't been to a match the last two seasons, not because I'm fickle but because (for the umpteen reasons all well documented) I choose not to go again until Corney is gone and then, there will be a decision to be made. People who label the stayaways as fickle show incredible naivety. It would also be wrong to label everyone who still goes to BP as happy clappers. I fear for the club at the moment unless new owners are found quickly. We're nearing the point of no return. For all the :censored: the noisy protest group got over the summer the fact remains that the silent protest (those numbers drifting away/not renewing) has increased once again over the summer. The silent protest will only continue while Corney remains at the helm. While we align ourselves alongside (or even below) Dale and Bury and talk constantly about punching above our weight our crowds continually (and naturally) reduce year on year. Ever decreasing circles. And the two clubs named don't have a big, shiny new moneymaking stand...but ours will make very little for us. It's a race to the exit...either Corney and his two pals get their first and we have a chance...or................ Edited August 15, 2016 by boundaryblue80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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