yarddog73 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 I sprout of on a message board because that's exactly what it is, some people really do struggle with the concept of a forum but I guess that says more about you than it does me, if you don't like it there is a handy block facility on this message board and you'll be pleased to know I give zero :censored:s about what you or anyone else thinks so crack on airing your grievances with me whilst we sink further and further down the FL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hands on Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 The point I think is that Corney is prepared to meet with who he sees as his most vigorous detractors in front of a camera with nowhere to hide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Twitter has far more individuals hostile to Corney than anything on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ak's11 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 I sprout of on a message board because that's exactly what it is, some people really do struggle with the concept of a forum but I guess that says more about you than it does me, if you don't like it there is a handy block facility on this message board and you'll be pleased to know I give zero :censored:s about what you or anyone else thinks so crack on airing your grievances with me whilst we sink further and further down the FL. :censored:house. Go see him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 :censored:house. Go see him. Calm down. Can we not have differing points of view without insults embedded in the disagreement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CD's Orange Heels Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 The guys he has called out can't win, I don't blame them for not wasting their time. If they go it's basically their word against his, there is absolutely no positive outcome. They get into a slanging match and nobody comes out of it looking good. The usual rose tinted specs brigade on here will be lapping it up, an they'll get slagged off for disagreeing with our great leader. If they don't go which I completely respect them for, they get slagged off anyway. So as usual Corney deflects the blame onto other people. It isn't their fault he is running the football club like a rank amateur. It isn't their fault he doesn't pay people on time and he seems to think it's perfectly normal to do this. He only thinks its normal because he does it so often. Is it their fault that the club only had a handful of contracted people over the summer, whilst Corney though he'd done a great job saving a few months wages. The guy is an utter clown, and is turning the club into a circus. It's only going to end one way if he doesn't go soon. If you're blinkered enough to think he's doing a good job, don't slag people off for speaking their minds and not wanting to be spoon fed any more of his . I'd be interested to know how the Trust feel about Corney personally calling out fans on the internet. Did he seek advice on that one before hand, or did he just decide to throw that one in on the spur of the moment? Or is it the usual we can't disclose this information because it will spoil our great relationship with the club? It's a real shame because the people on here who post as trust officials do come across as really nice people, but it's just this kind of thing that the trust should be advising the club and leading on. To me it shows that the relationship the club has with the Trust is all one way. Corney does what he wants, when he wants, to who he wants. It's his club he can do that I guess, but it just shows he doesn't give a monkeys about our fans, other clubs, local businesses. The Trust need to get strong and start effecting some real change and make the fans feel like they have got at least some influence. The club can't continue getting things wrong, stumbling from one balls up to another and then brain-farting knee jerk videos like yesterday. It's not helping anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Twitter has far more individuals hostile to Corney than anything on here Unfortunately, that has largely gone unnoticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 And Corney's divide and conquer approach shows signs of success. This ^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 The guys he has called out can't win, I don't blame them for not wasting their time. If they go it's basically their word against his, there is absolutely no positive outcome. Not true. He said video it do it as a live Web cast or whatever. So they have everything to gain by going. So every Latics fan will see when they reveal him to be the horror they perceive him to be. They could win. They just know they're full of BS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Not true. He said video it do it as a live Web cast or whatever. So they have everything to gain by going. So every Latics fan will see when they reveal him to be the horror they perceive him to be. They could win. They just know they're full of BS But he'll just bat away the questions he needs to. And probably rightly so with some of them. I'd like to see it just for the entertainment value, nothing else. No benefit to us, Corney, The Three Amigo's or The Four Detractors (T4D) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CD's Orange Heels Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Not true. He said video it do it as a live Web cast or whatever. So they have everything to gain by going. So every Latics fan will see when they reveal him to be the horror they perceive him to be. They could win. They just know they're full of BS So because it's live means everything he says must be the truth? Are you for real? He can say anything he wants. He has just said he has been to China twice trying to get a financial banker. I can't say if that is true or not and neither can you. That is the point he sits in the driving seat. Whatever he says people like you will believe and take for gospel. People like prozac who have spoken at length to him in the past about things will not. Nobody wins, it's a completely pointless exercise. All he is trying to do is divide and conquer as opinions4u posted. The only real winner here is him, because he gets out his propaganda and there is no way you can put questions to him that can prove otherwise. He's obviously very good at deflecting blame. In his interview he talks about how common it is for clubs to pay late, just how common is it? I've only heard of it once in the news before. We played them less than 30 days ago so there must be some kind of rule as to how long you've got. Who are the other clubs? How much in total do we owe? No he wouldn't say that because he doesn't want to give too much away. The only time he comes out like this is when he is actually found out. He talks about finding money for the 300K wage and HMRC bill. So Rochdale and the other clubs aren't getting paid any time soon. He talks about finding funds for the manager. Does this come in front of paying our debts our behind? Listen to what he is saying as a whole rather than individual sound bites, it just doesn't add up. The reason why prozac and the others don't want to meet him isn't because they are scared it's because they have heard it all before. He is a bull:censored: merchant, who for the last 3 years has been making mistake after mistake and doing a really good job of saying "look I made a mistake but if it wasn't x,y,z it would have been fine." He moaned about the lack of money, and said that because of giving things back to the fans (cheaper season tickets) his choice, cheaper pay on the day (his choice), lack of product on the pitch (guess what, it's his football team), lack of fans (I'd stick that one firmly at his door too). He'll blame anyone and anything for our problems, and say anything to make it look like he's giving it a shot. Things have reached a breaking point now, and like somebody else has said talk is cheap. It's time for some action, a crappy video interview with 4 fans isn't going to solve anything really is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) Average joe vs media experienced business man.... Its simply an invitation to fail... Edited November 23, 2016 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Let's dig out the North Stand update videos and see how much bull:censored: was spouted in those. Tell you what I will have a meeting with him in the Supporters Bar that's opening at the start of the season, which season who :censored:ing knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) So because it's live means everything he says must be the truth? Are you for real? He can say anything he wants. He has just said he has been to China twice trying to get a financial banker. I can't say if that is true or not and neither can you. That is the point he sits in the driving seat. Whatever he says people like you will believe and take for gospel. People like prozac who have spoken at length to him in the past about things will not. Nobody wins, it's a completely pointless exercise. All he is trying to do is divide and conquer as opinions4u posted. The only real winner here is him, because he gets out his propaganda and there is no way you can put questions to him that can prove otherwise. He's obviously very good at deflecting blame. In his interview he talks about how common it is for clubs to pay late, just how common is it? I've only heard of it once in the news before. We played them less than 30 days ago so there must be some kind of rule as to how long you've got. Who are the other clubs? How much in total do we owe? No he wouldn't say that because he doesn't want to give too much away. The only time he comes out like this is when he is actually found out. He talks about finding money for the 300K wage and HMRC bill. So Rochdale and the other clubs aren't getting paid any time soon. He talks about finding funds for the manager. Does this come in front of paying our debts our behind? Listen to what he is saying as a whole rather than individual sound bites, it just doesn't add up. The reason why prozac and the others don't want to meet him isn't because they are scared it's because they have heard it all before. He is a bull:censored: merchant, who for the last 3 years has been making mistake after mistake and doing a really good job of saying "look I made a mistake but if it wasn't x,y,z it would have been fine." He moaned about the lack of money, and said that because of giving things back to the fans (cheaper season tickets) his choice, cheaper pay on the day (his choice), lack of product on the pitch (guess what, it's his football team), lack of fans (I'd stick that one firmly at his door too). He'll blame anyone and anything for our problems, and say anything to make it look like he's giving it a shot. Things have reached a breaking point now, and like somebody else has said talk is cheap. It's time for some action, a crappy video interview with 4 fans isn't going to solve anything really is it? People will struggle to argue with your post but they will try and find a way. Excellently put! Every word. You might even star in his next video when some new :censored: hits the fan (the times when the propaganda wheel cranks back into motion.) Edited November 23, 2016 by boundaryblue80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Average joe vs media experienced business man.... Its simply an invitation to fail... I think you do "Average Joe" a genuine disservice there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 The Government borrows billions, SC borrows a few hundred thousand..what's the difference in principle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 The Government borrows billions, SC borrows a few hundred thousand..what's the difference in principle? the interest rate and the government's ability to print money to repay it if necessary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CD's Orange Heels Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) wrong thread Edited November 23, 2016 by CD's Orange Heels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc21 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 The guys he has called out can't win, I don't blame them for not wasting their time. If they go it's basically their word against his, there is absolutely no positive outcome. They get into a slanging match and nobody comes out of it looking good. The usual rose tinted specs brigade on here will be lapping it up, an they'll get slagged off for disagreeing with our great leader. If they don't go which I completely respect them for, they get slagged off anyway. So as usual Corney deflects the blame onto other people. It isn't their fault he is running the football club like a rank amateur. It isn't their fault he doesn't pay people on time and he seems to think it's perfectly normal to do this. He only thinks its normal because he does it so often. Is it their fault that the club only had a handful of contracted people over the summer, whilst Corney though he'd done a great job saving a few months wages. The guy is an utter clown, and is turning the club into a circus. It's only going to end one way if he doesn't go soon. If you're blinkered enough to think he's doing a good job, don't slag people off for speaking their minds and not wanting to be spoon fed any more of his . I'd be interested to know how the Trust feel about Corney personally calling out fans on the internet. Did he seek advice on that one before hand, or did he just decide to throw that one in on the spur of the moment? Or is it the usual we can't disclose this information because it will spoil our great relationship with the club? It's a real shame because the people on here who post as trust officials do come across as really nice people, but it's just this kind of thing that the trust should be advising the club and leading on. To me it shows that the relationship the club has with the Trust is all one way. Corney does what he wants, when he wants, to who he wants. It's his club he can do that I guess, but it just shows he doesn't give a monkeys about our fans, other clubs, local businesses. The Trust need to get strong and start effecting some real change and make the fans feel like they have got at least some influence. The club can't continue getting things wrong, stumbling from one balls up to another and then brain-farting knee jerk videos like yesterday. It's not helping anyone. Top post ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 So because it's live means everything he says must be the truth? Are you for real? He can say anything he wants. He has just said he has been to China twice trying to get a financial banker. I can't say if that is true or not and neither can you. That is the point he sits in the driving seat. Whatever he says people like you will believe and take for gospel. People like prozac who have spoken at length to him in the past about things will not. Nobody wins, it's a completely pointless exercise. All he is trying to do is divide and conquer as opinions4u posted. The only real winner here is him, because he gets out his propaganda and there is no way you can put questions to him that can prove otherwise. He's obviously very good at deflecting blame. In his interview he talks about how common it is for clubs to pay late, just how common is it? I've only heard of it once in the news before. We played them less than 30 days ago so there must be some kind of rule as to how long you've got. Who are the other clubs? How much in total do we owe? No he wouldn't say that because he doesn't want to give too much away. The only time he comes out like this is when he is actually found out. He talks about finding money for the 300K wage and HMRC bill. So Rochdale and the other clubs aren't getting paid any time soon. He talks about finding funds for the manager. Does this come in front of paying our debts our behind? Listen to what he is saying as a whole rather than individual sound bites, it just doesn't add up. The reason why prozac and the others don't want to meet him isn't because they are scared it's because they have heard it all before. He is a bull:censored: merchant, who for the last 3 years has been making mistake after mistake and doing a really good job of saying "look I made a mistake but if it wasn't x,y,z it would have been fine." He moaned about the lack of money, and said that because of giving things back to the fans (cheaper season tickets) his choice, cheaper pay on the day (his choice), lack of product on the pitch (guess what, it's his football team), lack of fans (I'd stick that one firmly at his door too). He'll blame anyone and anything for our problems, and say anything to make it look like he's giving it a shot. Things have reached a breaking point now, and like somebody else has said talk is cheap. It's time for some action, a crappy video interview with 4 fans isn't going to solve anything really is it? It's not all necessarily bull:censored: though. He might mean what he says and then things change. Life & business are like that. I think he largely tells it how it is. You/us not liking how it is doesn't mean he's lying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Seen enough posts calling him a liar. Harry is right. How many people in their jobs have delivered something late because a team member or whatever has delayed what they're trying to do. Saying the stand should be open at whatever date and then it not being doesn't mean he has lied. Things aren't that black and white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) the interest rate and the government's ability to print money to repay it if necessary Some might ask why print money to repay a debt, why not print it in the first place thus avoiding the debt? Edited November 23, 2016 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Some might ask why print money to repay a debt, why not print it in the first place thus avoiding the debt? Because printing money generally creates inflation (very unusually it hasn't done so far this time round) while there is no reason why borrowing (sensibly) would do so. There would however be a debate to be ad about whether some inflation to reduce the value of the national debt might be a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CD's Orange Heels Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Seen enough posts calling him a liar. Harry is right. How many people in their jobs have delivered something late because a team member or whatever has delayed what they're trying to do. Saying the stand should be open at whatever date and then it not being doesn't mean he has lied. Things aren't that black and white. I've seen enough posts sticking up for him. Highlight something that he has actively done to improve the football club without completely ballsing it up over the last 5 years. New stand - we're rolling in cash now aren't we. We've been in a much better position financially since it's been built. Players - we've tried everything from hiring convicts to having no players at all to save wages. Selling sell on fees. Not been too successful and ultimately has lost the club fans. Managers - to be fair to him he's got it right once in a blue moon in this area, but recently he has made some right clangers. Investment - managed to get some money of Mike Ashley. Again this has really set us up financially hasn't it? What makes you think his trips to China are going to be any more successful than his recent record of great achievements? Finance - it's just not happening is it? We've got very few contracted players, we're owing for loan players and owing for ticket sales. All this whilst having the most lucrative sponsorship deal we've ever had and a fancy new stand that creates 24/7 revenue as long as its football related so its probably more like 8 hours every fortnight. If you can't see we're financially crippled then there really isn't any point trying to reason with you. Promotions (Tickets not actual real promotion to a different league) - OK you could say that he's put on some good promotions to entice fans back? What I'd say is that this has put further financial strain on the club and hasn't been thought out. You can't come up with an idea and then use it as an excuse as to why you can't pay people. The season ticket offer last year smacks of desperation to claw in funds. Again this really can't be proven, and no amount of questions on 'live' video will prove this, but reading between the lines surely you can see this isn't any way to run a successful football club. OAFC 5 Year Plan by S. Corney MISTAKE, MISTAKE, CUP RUN, MISTAKE, APOLOGY (but it wasn't me), SCANDAL, MISTAKE, SCANDAL, FINGER POINT, SACK MANAGER, FINGER POINT, MISTAKE, SCANDAL, LOSE MANAGER, SOCIAL MEDIA RANT (but it wasn't me), SACKINGS, SELL SOME LAND, LEND SOME MONEY FROM SCOUSERS, LOSE ANOTHER MANAGER, CUP RUN, FINGERS CROSSED, SCANDAL, POINT AND SACK SOMEONE, repeat until either bust or relegated x5 You can talk all you want about real life and things being delivered late, I know that I've worked at enough places where it has happened and I own my own business. If all we were grumbling about was a few delays then there wouldn't be anything to talk about would there. It's more than that, and if you can't seen that then you're just being an arse. It's got f all to do with the late opening of a stand, it's got everything to do with the collection of failures we've had over the last 3/5 years. You talk about how many people in their jobs have delivered something late because of somebody else? Maybe that's why you side with him? Maybe you're the kind of person who likes deflecting blame too? If I get asked to do something it either happens or it's my fault (at work, but don't ask the wife). I wouldn't point at somebody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Seen enough posts calling him a liar. Harry is right. How many people in their jobs have delivered something late because a team member or whatever has delayed what they're trying to do. Or because of their own ineptitude or the ineptitude of the people they've appointed.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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