oafc1000 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Yes, a late developer, almost as big as Matt Rhead too, He is almost as tall as Rhead BP, but has eaten quite a few less pies. I'm pretty sure you know who i'm talking about though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Not on that occasion we couldn't. The lad i'm talking about is Oldham born and bred aswel and was at our club at youth level. He travels from Oldham to Barrow and back 5 times a week for training and matches. He also says hardly anybody wants to play for Oldham as we are looked upon as a bit of a joke by many within the game. Bennett? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) He is almost as tall as Rhead BP, but has eaten quite a few less pies. I'm pretty sure you know who i'm talking about though. Yes I do, got a big strong team at Barrow and some players who will move higher, any team that can bully Eastleigh as they did when I saw them will do well. Barrow definitely have two better strikers than Latics. Edited December 7, 2016 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1000 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Yes I do, got a big strong team at Barrow and some players who will move higher, any team that can bully Eastleigh as they did when I saw them will do well. Barrow definitely have two better strikers than Latics. I agree, they also have a chairman with ambition who isn't afraid to back his team in the pursuit of sucess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 I agree, they also have a chairman with ambition who isn't afraid to back his team in the pursuit of sucess. and more than likely has the funds to do so and there in lies the nub of our problems you can have all the ambition you want but if you cant fund it your stuffed ! mossley stalybridge etc all have ambition but guess what they dont have the cash either just like us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 I agree, they also have a chairman with ambition who isn't afraid to back his team in the pursuit of sucess. Can you persuade him to buy Oldham Athletic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) and more than likely has the funds to do so and there in lies the nub of our problems you can have all the ambition you want but if you cant fund it your stuffed ! mossley stalybridge etc all have ambition but guess what they dont have the cash either just like us You do need money at any level. Look at Droylsden, played terrrific football with some players going on into the FL . The 2008 financial crash did for them as I suspect it did for TTA. Edited December 7, 2016 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy b Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Did someone above say they would rather be in our position than bolton's? Can't fathom that. Would I rather be in Lincolns? Yes totally. Better gates, more prospects and winning games. The level matters note! Very simple in my view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1000 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Can you persuade him to buy Oldham Athletic? I very much doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1000 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 and more than likely has the funds to do so and there in lies the nub of our problems you can have all the ambition you want but if you cant fund it your stuffed ! mossley stalybridge etc all have ambition but guess what they dont have the cash either just like us Our chairman has no cash and that is fair enough. He doesn't come accross like he has much ambition either though to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) Can't believe we are having the same discussion AGAIN every season. Its laughable that there are grown ups who still believe in Father Christmas, The Tooth Fairy and a Latics promotion push in League Two.Can you believe they carried on playing the piano while the Titanic sank? That'd be a few people on here! Edited December 8, 2016 by boundaryblue80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Our chairman has no cash and that is fair enough. He doesn't come accross like he has much ambition either though to be fair. Oh he does. He has ambition of sponsorship deals which will make us competitive higher up this league...but his other face dictates the money goes into finishing the OEC for his two mates! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 (edited) I'm sure a handful of clubs supporters would rather be in our position all things considered. Take Bolton for example - I bet some would whilst many/most wouldn't. Lincoln too - some would swap top of the Conference for bottom of League One with 5 months to stay up as that's where they'd ultimately like to be in 2 years time. Others would say no thanks as they'd prefer to stick with the position of what looks from the outside like a well run club on the up... Me - I'd swap positions with Bolton as I think they'll ultimately be fine and get promoted from this league before we do. I wouldn't swap with Lincoln - I'll take my chances with SC and SR (or A N Other) keeping the team up & the clubs head just above water yet again... Completely agree, as you rightly point out from both of those teams perspectives. Edited December 8, 2016 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Correct. Our attendances would be around 18th in league 2 and 3rd or 4th in the conference, if that's a reasonable proxy for budget.That assumes attendances stay the same, which they won't after 2 relegations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Did someone above say they would rather be in our position than bolton's? Can't fathom that. Would I rather be in Lincolns? Yes totally. Better gates, more prospects and winning games. The level matters note! Very simple in my view Lincoln's gates are lower than ours, only by a little, but lower nonetheless. It's importantbto note the years of pain they've been through to get there through. Not sure I'd want that myself. If they go up, who is to say they won't go straight back down again. All those saying relegation might not be so badhave a point if we competed, but the chances are we'd do a tranmere or Stockport. Far more likely, especially if it is a drop every few seasons, is our attendances would be pro-rata to the league we are in, so probably 18th in League 2, 18th in Conf, 18th in Conf North! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 I think that's the crux of it really, some clubs see a relegation as an opportunity to go again and make an effort to return where as we would probably cut the cloth accordingly and spend the next 20 years in the bottom third of League 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 I think that's the crux of it really, some clubs see a relegation as an opportunity to go again and make an effort to return where as we would probably cut the cloth accordingly and spend the next 20 years in the bottom third of League 2.You are right to an extent, but in our case, and many other clubs, the cutting of the cloth would be imposed upon us by the situation. If there is no money, there us no money, be it a poorer or reluctant owner or fan owned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 The cost per season of relegation would be £500,000 minimum, if we currently have a budget of around double that it's not difficult to see how a relegation would impact our finances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyGermanLatic Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 The cost per season of relegation would be £500,000 minimum, if we currently have a budget of around double that it's not difficult to see how a relegation would impact our finances. How would that work out if we were relegated (genuinely asking)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stagger Lee Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 (edited) If someone tells me how they personally feel. Then that's a fact I personally feel your posts are getting sillier - so I guess that is a fact eh? Edited December 8, 2016 by Stagger Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 One of out biggest problems if relegated is the loss we would make due to a reduced solidarity payment, it's percentage based and as the Premier League TV revenue deals increase so does our payment, it's worked out as a percentage of a third year parachute payment whatever that may be. Championship teams receive 30 percent League 1 teams receive 4.5 percent League 2 teams receive 3 percent As this payment runs into millions it soon starts costing us a significant amount even at a 1.5 percent difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hands on Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 (edited) Hindsight is a great thing. We are where we are for three reasons: 1) The lack of desire throughout the club to be anything better than a club that avoids relegation to league 2 each season. 2) The great white elephant North Stand which appears to have drained money out of the football club - it is holding us back rather than taking us forward. 3) The decision to scrap the 2015/16 squad and rebuild from very little because the wages bill could be reduced. I think this is why Sheridan left. As a consequence Robbo has a group of players who are not good enough and who collectively folded under pressure - it was all too much for them. I have no doubt they were well prepared for the game but unfortunately they lack character and appear too dim to do what they have been told. Where I do criticise Robbo is the players he started and even worse the failure to make earlier changes - standing like a rabbit in the headlights did not help. There is often more entertainment at half time when the young, or old, come on to play and we seem to be at a tipping point. I go because I have a season ticket but that doesn't help the club because the money I have paid is long gone. We need a change of ownership. Edited December 8, 2016 by Hands on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 2) The great white elephant North Stand which appears to have drained money out of the football club - it is holding us back rather than taking us forward. How many fans do you think would turn up if we didn't have this 'great white elephant North Stand'? I'd bet it'd be nearer 2500. That's not to say it's made a massive financial benefit to us as yet, but after sitting in a three sided ground for 6 years I'd love to know how you can contrive it to be 'useless'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Another reason for reduced revenue would be the fall on away fans attending games at BP basing these losses on an average away followings from last season League 1 home teams saw on average of 688 fans as opposed to 473 in League 2, that's a difference of 200 on each home gate for starters and it could be worse with the spread of clubs in League 2 being far more widespread and far flung, using these figures it amounts to around 100k alone on ticket sales and thats before you even consider any other lost takings as a result of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Relegation is the only way out of this mess, for all parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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