Dayvan Cowboy Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 I agree about Pringle, he's a bit of a nothing player and hasn't strengthened the team whatsoever. Strange signing. Gardener needs some time out too, he's been very poor recently. At home especially we need to go two up top and get at the opposition. It's maybe a bit old fashioned at this point I think we need to go back to basics, two wide lads, two big centre forwards, get it wide as often as possible and stretch teams. We're far too slow through the middle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, welshgaz said: What' Byrne doing currently that he needs to continue doing? Passing, probing - it'll come good. Plymouth contained him but other sides will fuck up containing him to the same extent we did with Carey... And we'll win those games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Dayvan Cowboy said: I agree about Pringle, he's a bit of a nothing player and hasn't strengthened the team whatsoever. Strange signing. Gardener needs some time out too, he's been very poor recently. At home especially we need to go two up top and get at the opposition. It's maybe a bit old fashioned at this point I think we need to go back to basics, two wide lads, two big centre forwards, get it wide as often as possible and stretch teams. We're far too slow through the middle Pringle can’t be that much of a nothing player to have got two moves in the Championship and ripped apart our league in a promotion team. Smacks of deficient management to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgaz Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, NewBlue said: Pringle can’t be that much of a nothing player to have got two moves in the Championship and ripped apart our league in a promotion team. Smacks of deficient management to me. Or just a player without much previous game time. That said he's not up for the battle as of yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Pringle hasn’t played all season has he? He just looks off the pace to me. Would expect him to improve with each match given his past. Benyu is the bizarre one for me. I thought I read he was a winger. But seeing as he’s been played mainly through the middle I have no idea what the point of signing him is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC0AFC Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 On 27/01/2018 at 3:47 PM, NewBlue said: We’ve got a midfield of passers who want a man to run the channels, yet we stick a big lad up top who plays an entirely different way. It’s clueless. This rings so so true. Pringle, Byrne, Gardner... they’re looking to find a striker who’s stretching the two centre backs apart and slot the ball in the gaps. Davies is the type of striker who marks then centre backs. System MUST change until Doyle is back. If youre persistent with Davies (which I think you have to be, lack of options and only goal scorer in this side) then you’ve got to play a different game. Get Pringle on the left beating his full back and crossing the ball in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 hour ago, HarryBosch said: I agree, I think, but while we're conceding too many & not scoring enough while Fane's on the pitch it renders him pretty much pointless. Might aswell replace him with a lesser player that might create or score.... Pringle's been a huge disappointment. Shite. Can we send him back before the deadline and get another loanee in? Benyu too.... Byrne will produce if he keeps doing what he's doing. Gardner I can't get my head around. He was very good early in the season but has gone backwards massively. Assuming Pringle stays in I'd try Maouche ahead of Gardner for 2 or 3 games.... Fane and Gardner from the bench for a bit..... Totally agree, both have come here for a stroll around the pitch - waste of a wage contribution. Overloaded with luxury players and not the grafters that'll get us to safety. Byrne, Gardner and Fane were good enough earlier in the season. We've got the Irish lad to come in and stick Nepo back on the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Bit of baby out with the bath water going on here. Pringle is a class player, we need as many of them as we can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 13 minutes ago, oafcprozac said: Totally agree, both have come here for a stroll around the pitch - waste of a wage contribution. Overloaded with luxury players and not the grafters that'll get us to safety. I wouldn't say effort has been lacking from Pringle, he seems to put it in, just quality.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Pringle is a class player, we need as many of them as we can get. I was ecstatic when he signed, for that reason, he's been anything but so far though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz_Oafc Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 24 minutes ago, MAC0AFC said: Get Pringle on the left beating his full back and crossing the ball in. He looked slower than Gerrard yesterday, not too sure how many fullbacks he'll be beating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Gaz_Oafc said: He looked slower than Gerrard yesterday, not too sure how many fullbacks he'll be beating. Probably more than McLaughlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgaz Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 12 minutes ago, Gaz_Oafc said: He looked slower than Gerrard yesterday, not too sure how many fullbacks he'll be beating. Don't need any pace to land a ball on the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 46 minutes ago, MAC0AFC said: This rings so so true. Pringle, Byrne, Gardner... they’re looking to find a striker who’s stretching the two centre backs apart and slot the ball in the gaps. Davies is the type of striker who marks then centre backs. System MUST change until Doyle is back. If youre persistent with Davies (which I think you have to be, lack of options and only goal scorer in this side) then you’ve got to play a different game. Get Pringle on the left beating his full back and crossing the ball in. This for me. Admittedly I’ve missed lots of games, and my latest match was Charlton, but the tactics were baffling then. Playing Holloway and Davies up top without any true width from wingers - wing backs are a myth unless they’re absolutely top quality - was brainless. Again yesterday I looked at the team, with this new lad on the bench who has played games and is up to pace, and wondered what the hell was going on. The only explanation is that he thought Byrne, Pringle or Gardner would run beyond Davies, whose hold-up play would create lines. They’re really basic tactical mistakes which anybody can point out when you look once at the team sheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 2 hours ago, welshgaz said: You know what I thought of that same question and of you whilst I posted this. I knew you'd ask. I need to watch the goals back but from the ones I saw there were plenty of our midfielders in our box but none of them picking a man up. But to be honest I left Fane out of the criticism because despite his limitations he gives everything. That's more than the lads quoted above. You need to watch the first goal again. I didn’t spot it at the time, but Fane is cupable, it’s his man who has the time to volley it in. Fane is too far away. Dummigan should do better, and either Gerrard or Bryan should be closing down better but that doesn’t excuse Fane’s role. I’m all for supporting players who put the effort in, but occasionally that effort has to merit something. In our current poor spell I’m yet to see anything from Fane that someone else couldn’t reproduce. If we are playing 4-4-2 I think Fane deserves to keep his place as his physical superiority shows up more, but in 4-5-1 I’d drop him for someone better on the ball (and with a better football brain). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 51 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Bit of baby out with the bath water going on here. Pringle is a class player, we need as many of them as we can get. He needs to find a right foot - I was never anything but average at school level but could hit a ball with both feet - it pains me when I see a professional who spends so much time getting it on their strong foot they are tackled straight away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 21 minutes ago, Buckshawlatic said: He needs to find a right foot - I was never anything but average at school level but could hit a ball with both feet - it pains me when I see a professional who spends so much time getting it on their strong foot they are tackled straight away You would like the prolific goalscorer from Sweden we are linked with, scores with either foot and in the air too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics and England Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Over the last month we have had such an unsettled side with players leaving, players returning, players arriving but not eligible to play, a phased release of players being cleared to play and now another influx of players the manager presumably knows little about. We don't have a midweek game this week so it is vital that Richie assesses his new squad and works out who can and can't play together. It isn't easy because there will be players he likes who now don't fit in. Unfortunately we don't have time on our side to try out a number of options so it needs to be figured out in training and then we need to stick with a formation and core team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Latics and England said: Over the last month we have had such an unsettled side with players leaving, players returning, players arriving but not eligible to play, a phased release of players being cleared to play and now another influx of players the manager presumably knows little about. We don't have a midweek game this week so it is vital that Richie assesses his new squad and works out who can and can't play together. It isn't easy because there will be players he likes who now don't fit in. Unfortunately we don't have time on our side to try out a number of options so it needs to be figured out in training and then we n eed to stick with a formation and core team. It shouldn't be too difficult, all he needs to do is play players in positions where they do their best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 49 minutes ago, BP1960 said: It shouldn't be too difficult, all he needs to do is play players in positions where they do their best. Sorry BP it isn't all that simple. Wellens needs to work out the balance of the side. Playing Holloway and Davies together hasn't worked up to now (although with the pitch situation it might begin to work). Getting the balance right in midfield is essential, but that balance may require someone to play (slightly) out of position. With our defensive injuries his best option might be to play someone out of position, like Gevaro, or Bryan, at LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, rudemedic said: Sorry BP it isn't all that simple. Wellens needs to work out the balance of the side. Playing Holloway and Davies together hasn't worked up to now (although with the pitch situation it might begin to work). Getting the balance right in midfield is essential, but that balance may require someone to play (slightly) out of position. With our defensive injuries his best option might be to play someone out of position, like Gevaro, or Bryan, at LB. You may be right RM, but no square pegs in round holes for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 When RW came in we went all out attack, ignoring the opposition and overloading in attacking positions hence why we scored lots and also conceded lots. Since Doyle’s been out, the team as a whole started scoring less but still conceding freely. RW has then done away with the all out attack and instead tried to negate the oppositions strengths. He and the players aren’t capable of this. Therefore he should go back to playing the old way - now rather than when Doyle comes back - 2 up top, the midfield piling forward to pick up second balls and going for it. As it is we’re in no mans land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, b0ndl1ne said: When RW came in we went all out attack, ignoring the opposition and overloading in attacking positions hence why we scored lots and also conceded lots. Since Doyle’s been out, the team as a whole started scoring less but still conceding freely. RW has then done away with the all out attack and instead tried to negate the oppositions strengths. He and the players aren’t capable of this. Therefore he should go back to playing the old way - now rather than when Doyle comes back - 2 up top, the midfield piling forward to pick up second balls and going for it. As it is we’re in no mans land This is it in a nutshell. Without Doyle we're now impotent in attack, but still getting caught with our pants down in defence. We could do with a loanee like Viagra. Edited January 29, 2018 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 1 hour ago, singe said: This is it in a nutshell. Without Doyle we're now impotent in attack, but still getting caught with our pants down in defence. We could do with a loanee like Viagra. I agree, we certainly need him to stiffen our defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manshaw Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 21 hours ago, simplythemostimportantkick said: Struggling to work it out yeah ? Would you like me to educate you ? A lot of posters seem to think this is a Mensa board and not a footy one ! Wow you have got a lot of downboats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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