Magic Mikey Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 6 hours ago, League one forever said: Right. I want to know how people feel about how he’s done in the 31 games he’s had. An for all those that jump on ‘31 games, wtf is that to judge’ We all made a judgement on Kelly, Robinson, and Dunn, far quicker. So I think it’s a fair amount time to look at his performance. Hes taken 36 points from 31 games. Im interested in things HE CAN AFFECT. Team selection, tactics, man management, player recruitment. (The ones he could pick, which he had plenty of scope for) Im not interested in, the training facilities are shit, he can’t have all his own players, the takeover. This man is not stupid. An to say these things are surprise to him or he didn’t have his eyes wide open when he took the job, is insulting his intelligence. Personally, I’m very 50/50. I think we flatter to deceive. If we stay up, and Wellens keeps the job, I honestly wouldn’t go into next season with any great hope. As he’s shown so far, he can’t organise a defence. How many times do we a goal down, start slowly, or concede a couple without tactical change. Having said that I think we’d be ok for our usual 17th, because he’d have us scoring a few. So, we bob along watching a few more entertaining games, and finish 17th. Terrific. Can’t wait. "Personally, I’m very 50/50." ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hometownclub Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 The jury is very much still out on Wellens for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boys in Blue Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 31 games is not much to judge on. The point about all the takeover as a distraction is fair. That said, AL has backed Wellens very strongly and when I look at our squad it should be doing better than it is. For me, our squad is better than Plymouth, Bristol, Gillingham and a good few others that are way ahead of us. On the other hand, should Wellens get sacked because other managers overachieve? He’s not done a great job, but it’s not the worst job for someone who is learning the job and managing at a difficult time for the club- training must be an odd place, with Omrani, Mouache and the other unpronounceables being around but not really being part of it all. Wellens must have some wherewithal to have convinced AL to sign Byrne, Doyle & Pringle rather than put in more foreign lads, but it’s fair to think that he could have done a better job with those players once he’d got them in. I’m 50/50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 He deserves pre-season if he keeps us up. A big upheaval of this squad is needed if we want to challenge at the right end of the league next season, too many of them are not good enough and he needs to stop playing our best players out of position. I’d like to see Bryan brought back to play in midfield, Ripley back on loan, at least 2 new wide players and a couple of new centre-backs. If we go into the new season with Fane still getting a game, and Jack Byrne playing on the right, I’d sack him after the opening weekend... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 For once, I'm taking the glass-half-full approach to the manager: - He's shown he can win well - He's shown he can win ugly - He's shown he can turn things around when going through a bad patch - He plays reasonable football I'm not sure what else we're looking for in a rookie (and we'll only get another rookie if it's not Wellens...). Give him the summer to bring some more of his own players in (paying particular attention to improving the defence..) and lets see what happens, I say... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics and England Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 6 hours ago, League one forever said: But 3 months was long enough for Kelly, Dunn, and Robinson. I don’t get why you never balance your argument? You dont debate his record, his tactics, his team selection. I think you and others read posts like mine, an read what you want to see. ‘Oh, another wellens out post’ I’ve not called for him to be sacked. Once. But can we talk about his record, without unnecessarily leaping to his defence about how long he’s had the job? Except 3 months wasn't anywhere near long enough to judge any of those managers. Just because the previous owner repeatedly made some ridiculous decisions doesn't make it an appropriate policy going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joanna Roper Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Losing Doyle when we were flying long gaps in playing games when we were playing well the weather a shit pitch and injuries haven't helped im still 50/50 but the incredible football we were playing before everything I said happened id give him a proper pre-season and see what him and AL can do im not to sure on the assistant.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 6 hours ago, League one forever said: I totally agree the style is better, but where are we???? Robinson- awful to watch. Roughly 1 point a game. wellens - better to watch. Roughly 1 point per game. He’s had 31 games. Is that enough for you to give an honest assesmemt of his performance? Or is it players fault up until now??? Really??? When does he take responsibility? 60 games? 90 games? Wait a minute. Robinson: W3 D10 L11 = 19 points from 24 games. Wellens: W10 D11 L10 = 41 points from 31 games. Both roughly a point a game?? I've got to call you out on that one. Secondly, now is not the time to wonder if we have the right manager or not. A new manager would make pretty much zero positive impact and is much more likely to have a negative one. If we go down from here then we have every right to be calling for his head because we should still survive from the position we are in, but not while we have a reasonable chance of surviving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubster35 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Wellens to remain for me as long as he appoints an assistant manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 41 points from 31 games is 60 points over a full season. When is the last time we achieved 60 points in a season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, JoeP said: For once, I'm taking the glass-half-full approach to the manager: - He's shown he can win well - He's shown he can win ugly - He's shown he can turn things around when going through a bad patch - He plays reasonable football I'm not sure what else we're looking for in a rookie (and we'll only get another rookie if it's not Wellens...). Give him the summer to bring some more of his own players in (paying particular attention to improving the defence..) and lets see what happens, I say... He is a rookie manager - that’s not in dispute. He has made mistakes - that’s not in dispute. However, as you say above, he has won games and he has turned games around and at times the play is good. We all have our differing views as to who should start and in which position - start with Byrne in central midfield, Holloway up front with Doyle and play with a winger would be my approach. We all have our differing views as to the style of play we want to see from our team. The key factor for me is whether we see progress in his management - this means learning from his mistakes and getting the best out of his squad, whatever their limitations. And to demonstrate that he needs time - time that is typically not afforded to a manager in a results driven world. And that for me is where the crux of this question really sits; namely should we give Wellens the time to show that he can take us forward as a club and get us challenging at the top end of the table? My view is that he has done a reasonable job so far. I would give him more time to show that he can become a better manager but when it comes down to it, the final decision rests with Abdallah, himself a rookie in this mad footballing world ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsy Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 How many times do people want to change a manager. A new manager comes in and inherits players with up to possibly 2 or 3 years left on their contracts he might not want these players so they either don’t play and sit out the remainder of their contract or the club pays them off and they go and sign for someone else both of which comes out of the budget I feel to many clubs don’t give a manager long enough and we have been a prime example over the past god knows how many years of chopping and changing. I say give him a chance next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Handsy said: How many times do people want to change a manager. A new manager comes in and inherits players with up to possibly 2 or 3 years left on their contracts he might not want these players so they either don’t play and sit out the remainder of their contract or the club pays them off and they go and sign for someone else both of which comes out of the budget I feel to many clubs don’t give a manager long enough and we have been a prime example over the past god knows how many years of chopping and changing. I say give him a chance next season Which manager haven’t we given long enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsy Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Well John Sheridan this last time round for one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Handsy said: Well John Sheridan this last time round for one I’d have liked him to stay longer but Shez didn’t want to carry on, we haven’t sacked anybody too early imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsy Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 You want to give him pre season but are willing to sack him after the first weekend Strange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 16 minutes ago, Handsy said: You want to give him pre season but are willing to sack him after the first weekend Strange Tounge-in-cheek... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukka Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 If we go down, he has to go. If we stay up - I would give him another crack at it. But - I think he is out regardless to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Latics and England said: Except 3 months wasn't anywhere near long enough to judge any of those managers. Just because the previous owner repeatedly made some ridiculous decisions doesn't make it an appropriate policy going forward. Agreed. But your talking about an owners ability to appoint the right man. You could argue they should never have the job, but they all wanted it. . Etc. Managers don’t get sacked because there doing a good job. In the short space of time there were at the club. The results and football were largely dire. Hence they got sacked. Which would you have kept? Honestly? It’s very different with wellens, because when we’re good, we are terrific. However it tends to be for 1 half, or half hour or even 10 minutes spells. Signs of progress for sure. But you can’t ignore how bad we are at the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsy Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Agreed the centre back situation does need addressing Edmundson looks promising I can see Stott and Wilson being released Clarke will be paid off imo and Gerrard looks slow and unfit most of the time also a good winger req Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 10 hours ago, League one forever said: Right. I want to know how people feel about how he’s done in the 31 games he’s had. An for all those that jump on ‘31 games, wtf is that to judge’ We all made a judgement on Kelly, Robinson, and Dunn, far quicker. So I think it’s a fair amount time to look at his performance. Hes taken 36 points from 31 games. Im interested in things HE CAN AFFECT. Team selection, tactics, man management, player recruitment. (The ones he could pick, which he had plenty of scope for) Im not interested in, the training facilities are shit, he can’t have all his own players, the takeover. This man is not stupid. An to say these things are surprise to him or he didn’t have his eyes wide open when he took the job, is insulting his intelligence. Personally, I’m very 50/50. I think we flatter to deceive. If we stay up, and Wellens keeps the job, I honestly wouldn’t go into next season with any great hope. As he’s shown so far, he can’t organise a defence. How many times do we a goal down, start slowly, or concede a couple without tactical change. Having said that I think we’d be ok for our usual 17th, because he’d have us scoring a few. So, we bob along watching a few more entertaining games, and finish 17th. Terrific. Can’t wait. Right lads I want you all to ignore every single contributing factor that may effect how a manager prepares his teams for games and then tell me what he actually does until we can all agree to sack another manager before he's completed a full season or had a transfer window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 51 minutes ago, Handsy said: Agreed the centre back situation does need addressing Edmundson looks promising I can see Stott and Wilson being released Clarke will be paid off imo and Gerrard looks slow and unfit most of the time.... ...it’s a shame Richie didn’t work on a CB solution before the transfer window shut. Someone like Matt Mills might’ve be the answer to help keep us up. Mr Lemsagam should give Richie a ticking off for not coming up with the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 This might sound very harsh but what worries me most about Wellens is his character, or at least how I perceive it. Talking players and the squad down both in public and when he thinks it's private. Whinging about not being able to sign his pick of Championship players. Making excuses. We all know it's not been ideal but get on with surprising us with what you can make of it. I worry he'll find that harder to learn than tactical changes and effective substitutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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League one forever Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 36 minutes ago, leeslover said: This might sound very harsh but what worries me most about Wellens is his character, or at least how I perceive it. Talking players and the squad down both in public and when he thinks it's private. Whinging about not being able to sign his pick of Championship players. Making excuses. We all know it's not been ideal but get on with surprising us with what you can make of it. I worry he'll find that harder to learn than tactical changes and effective substitutions. I don’t think it’s harsh. It’s a fair reflection of what’s happened. I think the point about not being able to sign championship players, is spot on. Like Mills for example- by all means go for him, I like the ambition. But don’t moan when he wants more than we can afford, (surprise surprise) and have a back up signing! One that maybe isn’t as good, but we can afford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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