unsworth blue Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Thanks for chasing up Chaddy, I do also thank Karl for his responses but find them very underwhelming tbh. I accept Karl is new to the role but I would have thought these types of questions are reasonably significant in our gauging just how fragile the club is off-the-field. Regarding the lottery, i would have expected the club to at least have some marketing on this (maybe they have?) but maybe could get a quick show of hands from OWTB members as to how many actually participate on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chaddyexile84 said: I could be wrong but the difference in his tone and enthusiasm on the call and those responses say to me he is already losing the will to live... Maybe he has finally met Mo Spot on. Doesn’t take long does it? He’s probably already fan fatigued as well- in that, loads of people keeping asking questions he either doesn’t know the answer to, or knows he’ll get sacked if he says anything. Respect for trying mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Thinking about it. I actually think thats all our CEO is now- just a fans liaison officer. Or more likely just a buffer between ALMO and the fans. Any problems- speak to Karl. Even though he can’t affect or change anything. Very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, BP1960 said: I think I could have given the same answers ...and don't work for the club From the tone of your posts lately, BP, I think you are at the same level of despair as I am...it's a hopeless and desperate situation. The club we love no longer exists and we find ourselves, as supporters of the remnants, in this mind boggling and totally bizarre merry-go-round of managers, players and off-field antics. I just cannot fathom what the Lemsagams are getting from this insane game they are playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, unsworth blue said: Thanks for chasing up Chaddy, I do also thank Karl for his responses but find them very underwhelming tbh. I accept Karl is new to the role but I would have thought these types of questions are reasonably significant in our gauging just how fragile the club is off-the-field. Regarding the lottery, i would have expected the club to at least have some marketing on this (maybe they have?) but maybe could get a quick show of hands from OWTB members as to how many actually participate on a regular basis. Even if it was well promoted, how many people are going to participate? I am truly surprised by how many pay the £10 to watch the games, given the state of affairs. The club as it is now, does not deserve a single penny from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Wardie said: Even if it was well promoted, how many people are going to participate? I am truly surprised by how many pay the £10 to watch the games, given the state of affairs. The club as it is now, does not deserve a single penny from us. Do you think there is some kind of perverse enjoyment from ALMO in fans turning away? Almost as if - we don’t care if no fans come it’s ours to do what we want with anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsworth blue Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Wardie said: Even if it was well promoted, how many people are going to participate? I am truly surprised by how many pay the £10 to watch the games, given the state of affairs. The club as it is now, does not deserve a single penny from us. I feel the same Wardie, I would participate in all of these type of things immediately if the club's owners would at least demonstrate some humility (never) and tell us the truth about how fragile the club is financially. If they were to seek out support from the fans and start running the business like they gave a shit about the club and all its stakeholders at all, then i might be persuaded. I think its time for us supporters to just seek solace in being Oldham Athletic diehards outside of the club and maybe prepare for the inevitable future of non-league/ administration & / or liquidation whichever comes first. I have volunteered for hours and years in various roles at the club in my younger days, would do it all again happily if it meant the club returning to its fans or at least to its virtues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Wardie said: Even if it was well promoted, how many people are going to participate? I am truly surprised by how many pay the £10 to watch the games, given the state of affairs. The club as it is now, does not deserve a single penny from us. As I’ve said elsewhere - there was a chance to turn this COVID shambles into a positive going forward. My last game at BP was beating Swindon in 2019. This season I thought a tenner to stay at home with the dog and cat and watch in comfort with my own coffee was a great deal - 5 games later with that shite on the pitch and the continuing shit show off it meant I stopped and won’t be starting back. Fans like me could have been won around during this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 6 hours ago, Wardie said: From the tone of your posts lately, BP, I think you are at the same level of despair as I am...it's a hopeless and desperate situation. The club we love no longer exists and we find ourselves, as supporters of the remnants, in this mind boggling and totally bizarre merry-go-round of managers, players and off-field antics. I just cannot fathom what the Lemsagams are getting from this insane game they are playing. Yes, it's a dysfuctional club off the field that's mirrored on the field. A shambles of the likes I've never seen in over 60 years of support. I want stability back again, preferably from a genuine consortium or a fan led group, not from what comes across to me as a dictatorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, League one forever said: Do you think there is some kind of perverse enjoyment from ALMO in fans turning away? Almost as if - we don’t care if no fans come it’s ours to do what we want with anyway. Megalomania, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 21 minutes ago, Wardie said: Megalomania, maybe? Yeah- it’s weird. I just get the sense that they enjoy the misery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 2 hours ago, League one forever said: Do you think there is some kind of perverse enjoyment from ALMO in fans turning away? Almost as if - we don’t care if no fans come it’s ours to do what we want with anyway. I think its getting to that point, rumours are mo was heard shouting fuck the fans. Not sure al sees it quite that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Some straightforward answers to some fairly inane questions, why fans continue to concern themselves over staff wages I don't know, he's hardly going to come out and say I don't know if anyone will get paid on time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, latics22 said: I think its getting to that point, rumours are mo was heard shouting fuck the fans. Not sure al sees it quite that way Yeah- I suspect you’re right. AL is probably still living in a Parallel utopia where everyone loves him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 minute ago, deyres42 said: Some straightforward answers to some fairly inane questions, why fans continue to concern themselves over staff wages I don't know, he's hardly going to come out and say I don't know if anyone will get paid on time. . . and there in lies the problem. There is no way they’ll ever tell us anything of value. It was same with Corney- despite his ‘open door’ bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseowl Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 2 hours ago, League one forever said: . . and there in lies the problem. There is no way they’ll ever tell us anything of value. It was same with Corney- despite his ‘open door’ bollocks. Can't agree with your swipe at Corney. For example, some fans were claiming we were paying peanut wages and no transfer fees. When a group of us off here arranged to meet him and fellow directors, he opened up the "wages book" and we saw evidence of £2k a week (when many said £500 a week) for a player and a transfer fee of £100k. No names were revealed, of course, but you can't get much more open than that. Do you think AL would show fans similar evidence? Corney also answered every question put to him that night so, sorry, cannot agree - he was not perfect but his door was always open to anyone who actually bothered to go in and see him. There is surely no doubt that "the Corney years" were infinitely better than this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 2 hours ago, deyres42 said: Some straightforward answers to some fairly inane questions, why fans continue to concern themselves over staff wages I don't know, he's hardly going to come out and say I don't know if anyone will get paid on time. I would say they are textbook answers and I think the definition of "inane" is quite subjective. I don't think the wages payments are any of my business, unless they undermine the stability and future of the club's existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Oh I miss the corney days. Up shit creek but he pull a rabbit out the bag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankly Mr Shankly Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 8 hours ago, TheBigDog said: He is probably referring to the Giant Cash Bonanza: https://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/commercial/giant-cash-bonanza/ On another note. Found it amusing our esteemed CEO was all over Twitter with quotes such as "I've got thick skin, me" and "You don't get far in football if you can't accept criticism". He takes a couple of days off grid before returning with snarky comments after one of our social media cranks brushed a raw nerve. https://twitter.com/KarlEvans1999/status/1323298264792420352?s=20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 6 hours ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said: On another note. Found it amusing our esteemed CEO was all over Twitter with quotes such as "I've got thick skin, me" and "You don't get far in football if you can't accept criticism". He takes a couple of days off grid before returning with snarky comments after one of our social media cranks brushed a raw nerve. https://twitter.com/KarlEvans1999/status/1323298264792420352?s=20 for those not on Twitter could you screenshot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperKeeper Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Chaddyexile84 said: for those not on Twitter could you screenshot? Not even worth it. Wouldn't even call it handbags at ten paces. He didn't reply like customer services at Harrod's, so what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Morning all Thanks Chaddyexhile and unsworth. I have noted your Q&A and will flag them to the Trust team Just to note a couple of things as I about to shoot out of the door. Lottery: From memory, it Practically ceased in the last year of Corney's reign. Trust went through the process of taking it over as it was run separatley from the club, as we were lead to believe the club was not interested. As soon as we applied for the licence to run it and was ready to re-launch, we were advised that the club decided to run it and we were left disappointed. Purchase of BP: Is linked to the ACV the Trust holds as the nominator, the landlords are the owner and the council hold the register and manages the process. A potential change of owner would trigger the ACV moratorium period. We have not been advised that this has happened. FSA Sustain the Game! Is a campaign the Trust supports 100% and we actively post weekly updates on our Facebook site and webpage (new one under construction) MOU: is between Trust and Club and is an FSA document that set the level of information both parties want to share with fans, finances is one of them. And embeds three of the fans expectation of open-ness, honesty and Transparency. This has been 12 months in the making and we are almost at the finishing line. This has now been re-issued to the Club and we are expecting an update this week. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, SweeperKeeper said: Not even worth it. Wouldn't even call it handbags at ten paces. He didn't reply like customer services at Harrod's, so what? I was just curious - sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperKeeper Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, Chaddyexile84 said: I was just curious - sorry Haha no problem, just it isn't worth getting your hopes up for! I was expecting something juicier than that. I've heard snarkier automated announcements on the train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsworth blue Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 3 hours ago, underdog said: Morning all Thanks Chaddyexhile and unsworth. I have noted your Q&A and will flag them to the Trust team Just to note a couple of things as I about to shoot out of the door. Lottery: From memory, it Practically ceased in the last year of Corney's reign. Trust went through the process of taking it over as it was run separatley from the club, as we were lead to believe the club was not interested. As soon as we applied for the licence to run it and was ready to re-launch, we were advised that the club decided to run it and we were left disappointed. Purchase of BP: Is linked to the ACV the Trust holds as the nominator, the landlords are the owner and the council hold the register and manages the process. A potential change of owner would trigger the ACV moratorium period. We have not been advised that this has happened. FSA Sustain the Game! Is a campaign the Trust supports 100% and we actively post weekly updates on our Facebook site and webpage (new one under construction) MOU: is between Trust and Club and is an FSA document that set the level of information both parties want to share with fans, finances is one of them. And embeds three of the fans expectation of open-ness, honesty and Transparency. This has been 12 months in the making and we are almost at the finishing line. This has now been re-issued to the Club and we are expecting an update this week. Cheers Thanks Underdog. It's just that I am aware of great things coming out of several local clubs that are significantly lower than OAFC in the traditional pecking order regarding their income generation and community activities, I have never seen anything about latics lottery till yesterday though which probably says it all about its marketing. I haven't put a poll up on here asking about how many people are aware of it but I suspect I know the answer before I did. We have been told by the previous CEO that the official EFL funding, season ticket sales, payment on day and sponsorship were the only income sources Latics had, hence my question to Karl via Chaddyexile to see if that was his understanding. The response indicates that there is a lottery operating but as i say I had no idea there was one and thought was a good opportunity to work with local charities in a joint venture. My question about the ground was just to see if there was any update from last I knew - there wasn't. I know PTB met with Karl last night so expect an update from them sometime soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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